Important news!! WFFS is finally recognized

On another note. What lab does testing? Just looked on UC Davis site, don’t see it? Just got a WB mare and would like to get her tested. Many thanks!

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SWB is going to test all stallions.
https://www.horses.nl/fokkerij/wffs-zweden-test-alle-hengsten-die-swb-merries-dekken/

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According to the article, SWB has little or no choice since there is a Swedish law prohibiting the mating of two potential parents with a heritable genetic defect.

It also points out that Schokemohle (sp) has some stallions standing in Sweden, so they will have to be tested.

It’s entirely possible that the EU will get involved since they seem to have rules about breeding genetically defective animals.

I am thinking, and certainly hope that I am wrong, that the Germans are going to delay and delay in the hopes that the furor will go after in a few news cycles.

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Is your mare registered? What registry is she recorded in? Contact the registry for details on testing.

Example: UC Davis is the lab that American Hanoverian Society uses. If your mare is registered with AHS, contact the registry office to ask if they already have DNA on file for her. If the AHS already has DNA, then you make payment for the testing over the phone and the AHS will submit the test request to UC Davis. If the registry does NOT have DNA on file, you will need to submit a hair sample (including the hair roots, which contain the DNA used for testing). The registry will give you instructions for submitting the sample for testing.

I was told that results for my mare would be sent to me as an attachment in an email. I expect the results within the next few business days. Now we are coming into a holiday weekend, it may take a bit longer.

And a big THANK YOU for testing your mare!

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Yes, I agree, and same for the mares. Words do carry connotations, so correct terms should be used.

She is an import from France and is a Selle Francais with Holsteiner back breeding. Yes she is registered.

Just makes sense to test breeding stock if there is a testable issue. Don’t know why this kind of thing creates such a furor :stuck_out_tongue:

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An excellent attitude.

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It is, after all, the “common sense” solution. Unfortunately, “common sense” just isn’t all that “common.”

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Updates: Celle has rowed backwards over the last week being incommunicado to my queries and giving out vague answers to customers claiming they are ‘in touch with science’ and considering testing as soon as 2019… So someone apparently got a slap on the wrist between the Eurodressage article and then.
Moritzburg po’ed a veterinary prof by telling them they see no need to test their stallions as they are offering free necropsies to their clients and therefor assume they would know if any WFFS foals had been born by their stallions. [wtf?]
Meanwhile Trakehners have been notified of individual carriers by their owners and stated the Verbands are looking to engage in another study orchestrated by the FN (rooforg) to determine the precise incidence rate throughout the various subpopulations and consider actions thereafter.
While a few German stations have endorsed testing and some have others have started to contribute to my data collection which has grown to now have about 350 horses and 80 of them carriers.
Yesterday the FB-Group admins decided to take the public spreadsheet off line because some unknown person had transferred WFFS info from there into Allbreeedpedigrees and even tampered with some horses pedigree entries there which caused a big ruckus and resulted in many owners reconsidering their willingness to share their info.
Galmbacher who I spoke to yesterday as they stand Hofrat (tested n/n 3 years ago) who I have a mare for next week told me they are going to test and send out their other stallions today.
It’s getting somewhere :slight_smile:

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Yikes! 19% frequency in the European tests. That’s quite a difference from the 6% that Animal Genetics suggested a week or so ago. That’s just under 1 in 5 horses.

Might put a fire under the German establishment.

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Did you miss the part that said “Preliminary Data”? From a vendor selling tests and trying to capitalize on the hysteria…?

What they mean by “preliminary data” is that “This number will never stand up to scientific scrutiny so we need to be able to back away from it once real numbers become available, but our sales/marketing staff really needs help driving sales.”

I would guess there is a huge bias in the data right now because owners are self-selecting which horses to test based on having a known carrier in the horse’s pedigree.

ETA: I have a quarter in my hand that comes up heads 100% of the time (preliminary data).

And you think that somehow North Americans using the Animal Genetics test are immune from self-selecting? Besides, if the Labokin tests have German participants, no German stallions have been publicly identified as carriers that I am aware of. I think in total fewer than twenty stallions worldwide have come out with carrier test results.

Labokin doesn’t list their total number of tests to date.

<smh> You do realize that your statements further support my position, right?

only if you think all of the tests are of non-German horses, or if you think Germans are breeding to the publicly identified stallions. It all depends on who is testing their horses and the number of tests performed. Kareen has posted that she had 350 horses in her private data collection and 80 of them are carriers. That’s 22.2 %.

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There are German stallions known to be carriers, so I’m at a complete loss trying to follow your “logic.”

I wasn’t aware of any German stallions who have tested as carriers with a public announcement of such. Can you give me some names?

DeNiro has tested N/N, per the WBG-WFFS Awareness group on FB.

https://www.facebook.com/ucdavis.vgl/posts/390193924828503

From frozen semen with the test done in the US, not from a test by the stallion owner in Germany.

According to the UC Davis facebook page linked by Manni01, the rate varies widely among registries, with the highest rate the Hanoverians at 20% and Westfalens 2nd at 14%. That seems to be from the tests that UC Davis has performed, most probably from horses present in North America. They have tested 7 Swedish Warmbloods and found no carriers, but the trait is known to exist in Swedish Warmbloods.