Incredible incredible horse

[stuge]

Thank you SLC, I was trying to understand what these people were talking about when they were talking about the stallion being in an upperlevel frame. This appears to me to be the horses natural way of going. The rider has a nice, soft contact. The stallion doesn’t look like he is being forced into any frame. Yes the horse looked like he wanted to stretch a few times and I bet he will be able to stretch when the rider wants him to and he probably gets to stretch alot but I bet he doesn’t go around for the whole entire ride stretched!

I don’t understand this. It sounds like some of you either think the horse at three should not understand contact and should be ridden on a totally loose, long rein or that the horse should be forced into a long and low frame which would totally be inappropriate for this horse and would cause much more damage to his joints than riding around like this would.

This is dressage. This appears to me how a horse should be correctly started and. All they are asking is the horse to walk trot and canter in front of a judge for probably not more than five minutes as a three year old. How in the world is that too much?

[stuge]

[QUOTE=rileyt;2029412]
Sadly, I think his name is Quaterback (by Quaterman)… but that’s the only flaw I see in him… Somebody somewhere left an ‘R’ out a generation or two ago, and ever since… we have “Quater–”… (who knows, perhaps it was deliberate? [/QUOTE]

Umm, is this horse not a german horse? Quaterback probably has absolutely nothing to do with american football and the person who named him probably doesn’t even know what a quarterback is! Quater probably means something in another language and perhaps quaterback means something too! But I would almost bet money that it has nothing to do with football .

Just guessing here though so please noone take me seriously.

[MyReality]

When I look at a dressage horse, I don’t look at that knee/hock action per se… it’s the overall elasticity, suppleness I am looking for. If I have to hear that knee/hock action argument again, I really would puke. And please suspension is not about high the horse jumps around… it is about the articulation of joints and stored energy that makes the horse appear to have ‘air time’… as if he is suspended in motion (you have to check if your video is in slow motion). There should be no business and nervous hurriedness in the movement, like some Arabs and saddlebreds display.

I disagree the rider is trying to collect him, or trying to do passage with him. The rider is showing the stallion off, how you could hold/drive a little mostly with position, and the horse offer more cadenced steps. Then the rider demonstrate how the stallion could do all that, while working through his back and stretching down to the bit… i.e. he is not holding him up in a frame.

The lengthening is to demostrate the horse’s ability to open up. It’s not to show people a particular dressage movement. I’m sure the trainer at his level of skill could make a donkey do lengthenings, that’s not the point at all. At a stallion show, we want to see a flavour of what he could do and see how the horse responds, so we could make a guess about his future.

[Kimberlee]

This whole thread has been way to funny, LOL!

He is gorgeous!

[Auventera_Two]

@Sandy M;2030401

And for the Appy lovers among us:

Heza HIGH Hot Impressive Doc Quarterback Zipping Smart Two Eyed Chip Olena

Too funny Sandy! :lol:

For the racing fans -

Heza High Hot Impressive Doc Quarterback Jet Zipping Smart Two Eyed Chip Olena

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Two Simple;2030580]
Too funny Sandy! :lol:

For the racing fans -

Heza High Hot Impressive Doc Quarterback Jet Zipping Smart Two Eyed Chip Olena[/QUOTE]

For those who don’t know Appy names, “High Sign” was a very notable champion leopard Appaloosa reining horse with an INCREDIBLY long mane. He opened the World and National Shows a couple of times, carrying the US Flag, mane and tail flying. One year, he and two of his sons were 1-2-3 in their performance classes.

While I don’t quite buy the “reining is the equivalent of dressage” line, I figure that he was a champion reiner was a close enough connection for this thread. LOL

Here’s a pic, which unfortunately doesn’t show his lovely mane, though it does mention it:

http://barnlot.tripod.com/highsignnarr.html

Ironically, considering this thread, it notes that he was started at age 2, which is, sadly, usual for western horses. Still, he WAS still sound at age 20 when he died (colic, to judge from the article).

[Pommederue]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2029198]
granted he is a cute horse with what appears to be a good mind, so i am sure that he will make someone very happy. but these top show horses are so specialized in what they do that they look freakish to those of us who are looking in from the outside. his type only begins to look less bizarre after one has spent so much time around it that it is all they see.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with this. Although I see this horse as the epitome of the beautiful elasticity we value so much in dressage these days, he is a freak of nature.

He also appears to move wide behind in the trot lengthenings which could be a strength issue being that he’s only 3 years old.

That said, I would take him home in a heartbeat:yes:

[Mozart]

@Two Simple;2030580

Too funny Sandy! :lol:

For the racing fans -

Heza High Hot Impressive Doc Quarterback Jet Zipping Smart Two Eyed Chip Olena

Aren’t you guys forgetting some Pine Deck???

[indyblue]

Just had to say how surprised I am at how cheap his service is. $2200 NZ is at least half the price I presumed it would be.We have new unproven stallions here in NZ(far less impressive) for considerably more than that.Of course you do have other cost involved but still Im surprised.

[Auventera_Two]

Mozart -

Well, I had Jet Deck in there, doesn’t that count??

Come on Sandy - what else are we forgetting? (and lovely App by the way!)

Three Bars? BUT he was a TB

We’ve got Impressive, Zips Chocolate Chip, Smart Chic Olena, Jet Deck, High Sign, Two Eyed Jack, Sheza Flashy Zipper (although somebody said “Heza” instead)…not sure what the “Hot” part is though…

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Mozart;2030685]
Aren’t you guys forgetting some Pine Deck???[/QUOTE]

Well, that would be from Jet Deck, wouldn’t it? and we’ve covered that. Not to mention ZippoPine, etc.

Ah… we forgot Boone! (Pepto Boonesmal, etc.)

So, Heza High Hot Impressive Doc Quarterback Jet Zippin’ Smart Two Eye Chip Olena Boone.

[monstrpony]

What about Skipper W?

I thought of this but couldn’t decide if the Skipper should go after “Hot”, after “Smart” or before “Chip”.

[Auventera_Two]

Ohhh! Skipper W, darn it!! How could I forget that one, I had a double bred mare for a while!

So -

Heza High Hot Impressive Skipper Doc Quarterback Jet Zippin’ Smart Two Eye Chip Olena Boone.

[Sandy_M]

I was going to say we left out Vandy/Go Man Go - but those are racing lines, so keeping to the reining/cutting (and therefore dressage LOL), we really should include a little Poco or King in there…

I leave to TS to determine where or if they should be included in this paragon of Quarterhorsedom.

[Yeah, I realize we’re wandering from the original topic here, but at least it’s keeping it light. I hadn’t really weighed in, but I guess I’ve gotta have it both ways. I agree with the “too much for a 3 year old” but if the regimen is indeed what someone else described, perhaps it isn’t that big a deal. Personally, I have a baby still at the breeder that’s going to be 3 in March '07, but I don’t think I’ll have him started under saddle until at least July '07.)

[snokat]

Gorgeous horse, that Quaterback!

There’s one very important thing ya’ll seem to have forgotten with his new name, though. When names get this long, they most certainly have to be squished to fit into the maximum allotment of squares on the registration form (let’s just pretend for a moment that we get this many squares):

Hezacertifiablehighhotimpressivedocquarterbackjetzippin’smarttwoeyechipolenaboone

(and I threw in some “I’m Certifiable” since my old horsie used to live in his barn!)

[siegi_b]

… and it becomes abundantly clear where Two Simple’s expertise lies… Not that there ever was a doubt in my mind.

[physical.energy]

@Pommederue;2030678

I see this horse as the epitome of the beautiful elasticity we value so much in dressage these days, he is a freak of nature.

He is the product of what is being bred these days not necessarily a freak. More like the goal.

He also appears to move wide behind in the trot lengthenings which could be a strength issue being that he’s only 3 years old.

I saw this too but only see infrequent steps… more when the crowd encourages him so it may be less when in a normal training ride. Agreed as he develops his quadriceps this may go away completely. That being said I would also take him in a heartbeat… for his temperment alone! :winkgrin:

That said, I would take him home in a heartbeat:yes:

He is lovely, and if you haven’t seen horses who have natural suspension and impulsion I can imagine it does look a bit odd.

Don’t see his rider asking for passage at all, I do see him showing the horses ability to change from longer and shorter frame within the trot and canter. He doesn’t look held in and does folllow him down as he stretches for a minute. Very professionally presented.

[cinder88]

"“At 3 or 3 1/2, when they are basically as wild as little furry indians…”"SLC

Racial slur, anyone?

Cinder

[DanniS]

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;2027158]
Please don’t take my comments the wrong way…he is lovely as a dressage horse. He is not my cup of tea with his extravagant movement but I admire his quality. I would not want to ride him down a rocky steep mountain trail no matter how quiet he seems in that arena, and I still want to see how well he can collect those amazing gaits when he gets a little older.[/QUOTE]

Hi Daydream Believer,
do you not recall the gaits of Krack C?, Anky has said on numerous occasions that she has to ‘tone down’ the movement of this horse for the Big Tour.

Krack C is also a horse with massive movement, this has NOT stopped him from performing at the highest levels AND producing horses who follow suit.

These types of horses are not bred to go riding down steep, rocky slopes.
Would you take a Ferrari out 4wdriving in heavy terrain?

Have a look at his breeding, there are horses in there who have performed and produced at the highest levels of jumping.

Each horse is an individual and they don’t always keep to the plan that we make for them. A classic example of this is Sandro Hit, some of the BEST jumping lines but he can’t jump to save himself. Thankfully a well informed person saw his ability for dressage and the rest is history.

I am not trying to cause problems here but it is common sense to realise that, in fact, horses ARE bred for different disciplines

Danni

[FoxxxyStarr]

[QUOTE=DanniS;2031804]
Hi Daydream Believer,
Krack C is also a horse with massive movement, this has NOT stopped him from performing at the highest levels AND producing horses who follow suit.[/QUOTE]
but what exactly is the appeal of such massive movement? is it to attract the judge’s attention in the show ring? in that case it is very similar to park horse movement, in that you want a horse who can turn it on and make everyone look at him. while dressage may seem very different from other disciplines because of the show format, perhaps the disciplines are more alike that we think?