Incredible incredible horse

[nero]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2031880]
but what exactly is the appeal of such massive movement? is it to attract the judge’s attention in the show ring? in that case it is very similar to park horse movement, in that you want a horse who can turn it on and make everyone look at him. while dressage may seem very different from other disciplines because of the show format, perhaps the disciplines are more alike that we think?[/QUOTE]

The same as the aesthetics for a dancer, the one that is the most supple, the most controlled and the most able to reach the extremes of their athleticism is often the ones we enjoy watching the most. Without control though its not as great to watch so a Sylvie Guillem is reknowned as the best female dancer in the world because not only is she the strongest and the most supple and lithe, but the most controlled. She is, in a word, elegant. THE epitomy of elegance in fact.

And once a great natural athlete like Quarterback has his incredible suppleness and athleticism combined with control and strength he too could become the most elegant of his type. His expression is as much about the promise as it is about what he can do now.

At at the end of the day watching something as purely athletic as this just looks nice, its joyous to see so much athleticism in one animal.

well that’s my take on it anyway, I’m sure there are more scientific and practical reasons movement like this is coveted.

[DanniS]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2031880]
but what exactly is the appeal of such massive movement? is it to attract the judge’s attention in the show ring? in that case it is very similar to park horse movement, in that you want a horse who can turn it on and make everyone look at him. while dressage may seem very different from other disciplines because of the show format, perhaps the disciplines are more alike that we think?[/QUOTE]

I am almost positive that when this boy was conceived that people were not thinking ‘here is the next international showman of Europe’.
As with Florencio, Krack C etc there is an element of luck in breeding.
Best stallion + best mare does not necessarily mean best foal.

It is a good thing that everyone has different taste or the world would be a boring place.

Yes his movement is extreme but this is natural. He is incredibly loose through his whole body and even at such an age he is TOTALLY engaged.
This is because he finds it all incredibly easy.

Some points that we all need to remeber:
Brandenburg has produced MANY truly brilliant horses, Samba Hit I,II & III, Poetin I & II and many many more.

This is not the first time that they have been in the spotlight.
Brandenburg is a Landgestut and with this comes the fact that all the staff, riders and trainers included, are government employees.
For them to be producing this calibre of horse time and time again is a credit to them. But at the end of the day this is the type of horse the big bucks come for.I dare say there are already negotiations going on for Quaterback, I just hope that he stays where he is.

Danni

[FoxxxyStarr]

@nero;2031924

The same as the aesthetics for a dancer, the one that is the most supple, the most controlled and the most able to reach the extremes of their athleticism is often the ones we enjoy watching the most. Without control though its not as great to watch so a Sylvie Guillem is reknowned as the best female dancer in the world because not only is she the strongest and the most supple and lithe, but the most controlled. She is, in a word, elegant. THE epitomy of elegance in fact.

but the problem is that Guillem is not universally recognized as the world’s best dancer. some people do not find her extreme extensions aesthetically pleasing. so how can we make generalizations that she is the “best female dancer in the world?” does the EXTREME flexibility really make her a better dancer. or does it just make her more flexible? i guess my question is this: is there a real reason why extremes are better, or is it just us spectators have come to prefer?

And once a great natural athlete like Quarterback[sic] has his incredible suppleness and athleticism combined with control and strength he too could become the most elegant of his type. His expression is as much about the promise as it is about what he can do now.

to me, this Quaterback is just another horse. they are all God’s creatures and they are all beautiful. i guess i am not used to being around the show crowd, so the fascination with show horses is a bit foreign to me!

[WindyIsles]

Gorgeous!

Can we start a ‘Quarterback Fangirl Clique’? :winkgrin:

I am very interested in watching this stallion’s career and how it progresses :yes:

[nero]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2031984]
but the problem is that Guillem is not universally recognized as the world’s best dancer. some people do not find her extreme extensions aesthetically pleasing. so how can we make generalizations that she is the “best female dancer in the world?” does the EXTREME flexibility really make her a better dancer. or does it just make her more flexible? i guess my question is this: is there a real reason why extremes are better, or is it just us spectators have come to prefer?

to me, this Quaterback is just another horse. they are all God’s creatures and they are all beautiful. i guess i am not used to being around the show crowd, so the fascination with show horses is a bit foreign to me![/QUOTE]

Well ballet is an ART, so there will never be consensus as to who is THE best, doesn’t diminish her ability though, I was trying to explain an idea by using a parallel BUT…Have you ever seen Guillem perform live? She is not just a flexible dancer, she has power, superb control, presence and unbelievable adagio and allegro, she’s is one of the most complete dancers ever and most great dance brains would say she is/was the world’s prima ballerina at her peak. OK so you say not the best (hell if she ain’t I’d love for you to tell me who is!!), one of the best then? Does it matter, it was but an example? And if you think she is just all about flexibility then perhaps you won’t understand my point, plus just about every other world class prima ballerina could match her in the flexibility stakes, hell in my day I could - almost!!!, its not JUST about that, but her extraordinary supplness showcases her athleticism and other strengths - qualities which hopefully will be matched by this horse. You seem to miss my point.

Maybe Quarterback’s appeal lies in the fact that he represents the pinnacle of modern WB breeding, years and years of hard work? What breeders have been striving for?

If you do not like a horse like Quarterback because he seems to have too big a movement for you, then there is nothing really anyone can say that will allow you to understand why its a thing of beauty to them, because you don’t agree with the basic premise here that this is lovely. So no one will be able to answer you satisfactorily, probably. But that’s OK, the horse has enough admirers I think, he’ll probably not lose any sleep over you not being a fan!

[BLBGP]

[QUOTE=siegi b.;2031263]
… and it becomes abundantly clear where Two Simple’s expertise lies… Not that there ever was a doubt in my mind.[/QUOTE]

Certainly not in telling horses of different color, markings, size, movement, build, and breeding apart.

[BLBGP]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2031984]

to me, this Quaterback is just another horse. they are all God’s creatures and they are all beautiful. i guess i am not used to being around the show crowd, so the fascination with show horses is a bit foreign to me![/QUOTE]

Yes, he is a horse. A beautiful horse…yes, like all horses, in all their own ways. But this whole discussion just makes me wonder why so many non-dressage/non-horse show people bother to hang out on a Dressage board geared towards high-end, competitive Dressage riders and competitors. All the people who are totally unimpressed by this horse seem to be from completely out of the realm of showing. I don’t get the allure. Just dissent?

I know for sure I would look like a drunken monkey on that horse. I admit I probably couldn’t sit a Grand Prix jumper’s excellent jump, and a Grand Prix jumper probably either a.) looks like a** over 3’ or b.) jump so big over 2’6" that I couldn’t stay with it but that doesn’t mean he or she sucks. It just means it’s made for bigger things - who am I to naysay it, just because I can’t ride it or because I don’t have my goals set for that level? I can still appreciate and aspire. Just because it doesn’t fit in my own personal bubble doesn’t mean it isn’t awesome and - if all the stars are aligned - is destined for greatness.

[YoungFilly]

@BLBGP;2032079

Yes, he is a horse. A beautiful horse…yes, like all horses, in all their own ways. But this whole discussion just makes me wonder why so many non-dressage/non-horse show people bother to hang out on a Dressage board geared towards high-end, competitive Dressage riders and competitors. All the people who are totally unimpressed by this horse seem to be from completely out of the realm of showing. I don’t get the allure. Just dissent?

I’m having yet another insomniac night. I think alot of the people who are not impressed just don’t understand how difficult dressage really is, and think that its basically you sitting there looking beautiful, when in actuality, its so freaking hard to make your horse look good. I also think that some people do get mad when they see a horse like this, and then have to go ride there backyard horse.

As for dressage being compared to park horses, that is so apples to oranges its not even funny. :no:

[FoxxxyStarr]

@BLBGP;2032079

Yes, he is a horse. A beautiful horse…yes, like all horses, in all their own ways. But this whole discussion just makes me wonder why so many non-dressage/non-horse show people bother to hang out on a Dressage board geared towards high-end, competitive Dressage riders and competitors. All the people who are totally unimpressed by this horse seem to be from completely out of the realm of showing. I don’t get the allure. Just dissent?

i was not aware that this dressage board was geared towards high-end, competitive dressage riders and competitors. is that not just one small segment of the dressage world? this Quaterback might be the pinnacle of your horse world, but he is just another show horse to the rest of us. extreme show horses are beautiful and captivating in their own right, but they only appeal to a small fraction of the horse world.

[FoxxxyStarr]

@YoungFilly;2032094

I’m having yet another insomniac night. I think alot of the people who are not impressed just don’t understand how difficult dressage really is, and think that its basically you sitting there looking beautiful, when in actuality, its so freaking hard to make your horse look good. I also think that some people do get mad when they see a horse like this, and then have to go ride there backyard horse.

my horses never make me angry. they are magnificent creatures who bring me only joy and happiness. if riding your horse makes you mad, please take a break so as not to impart that negative energy onto them.

As for dressage being compared to park horses, that is so apples to oranges its not even funny. :no:

ahh yes, dressage is different. i have heard this before. nothing can compare to it, yes?

[Sabine]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2032134]
my horses never make me angry. they are magnificent creatures who bring me only joy and happiness. if riding your horse makes you mad, please take a break so as not to impart that negative energy onto them.

ahh yes, dressage is different. i have heard this before. nothing can compare to it, yes?[/QUOTE]

can you read? read it again- because you’re comments are way off…and I wonder why you insist on commenting in this thread- as it is clearly a very specialized horse for very committed dressage folks. Noone asked if the whole riding population approves of this horse, noone asked if he would be performing soundly for a life time- noone wanted to know- this is a thread to admire a divine creature for those of us who are TRAINED and experienced in dressage,…not in park horses, quarter horses, arabians, fox trotters or any other discipline that might be out there- without any trace of disdain- just that!! So please enjoy ‘your’ specific stuff - what ever that might be- and quit comparing apples oranges and bananas…it becomes a rather useless conversation.

The horse is without question divine- as I said before- post one of yours that is divine in your disciplines eyes- I would be respectful and interested to see- but not in my worst dreams would I dare to compare that to what this special Oldenburg WB is- there are lots of different horses out there- we don’t have to diss each other to feel better…go ride better- that would be more productive…

[FoxxxyStarr]

@Sabine;2032142

this is a thread to admire a divine creature for those of us who are TRAINED and experienced in dressage,…not in park horses, quarter horses, arabians, fox trotters or any other discipline that might be out there

are we talking about dressage type, or about extreme modern Oldenberg type? if we are going by dressage standards, i see some flaws in the horse’s gait (e.g. he moves very wide behind), but he might still be a good Oldenberg since they seem to be looking for something different. no one is comparing apples to oranges. we are comparing extreme show type to extreme show type. to many of us these breeding trends look bizarre and unnatural, but this does not mean we are less experienced or committed. so please do not mistake this Quaterback type for dressage type. he is a show horse doing his thing at a breed show. you can go to any breed show and see the beautiful and extreme show horses. whether he excels in the discipline of dressage is another story altogether. if you would like to only have your type of person respond to this thread, then maybe this thread should not have been posted on a dressage forum but rather on a breed forum where a smaller range of people are likely to frequent? the dressage world if a very diverse group with many different types of people. while this Quaterback is going to be ideal in some people’s eyes, why get upset when he is not ideal in the eyes of everyone? i am not saying that he is not beautiful, just that you would do best to have less contempt for those who prefer something different.

[DanniS]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2032167]
are we talking about dressage type, or about extreme modern Oldenberg type? if we are going by dressage standards, i see some flaws in the horse’s gait (e.g. he moves very wide behind), but he might still be a good Oldenberg since they seem to be looking for something different. no one is comparing apples to oranges. we are comparing extreme show type to extreme show type. to many of us these breeding trends look bizarre and unnatural, but this does not mean we are less experienced or committed. so please do not mistake this Quaterback type for dressage type. he is a show horse doing his thing at a breed show. you can go to any breed show and see the beautiful and extreme show horses. whether he excels in the discipline of dressage is another story altogether. if you would like to only have your type of person respond to this thread, then maybe this thread should not have been posted on a dressage forum but rather on a breed forum where a smaller range of people are likely to frequent? the dressage world if a very diverse group with many different types of people. while this Quaterback is going to be ideal in some people’s eyes, why get upset when he is not ideal in the eyes of everyone? i am not saying that he is not beautiful, just that you would do best to have less contempt for those who prefer something different.[/QUOTE]

Indeed Quaterback comes from 2 very good dressage lines, with some jumping thrown in.
He is NOT an Oldenburg, he is a Brandenburg, he is not even with the Oldenburg Verband.
This in itself speaks volumes, obviously the larger Verbands appreciate a talented horse.

His Grandsire is Quando Quando who, I am proud to say, is owned and ridden by the very talented Australian Kristy Oatley Nist.
Quando is a Grand Prix stallion who has done very well, he is also a sire of some repute.

I believe everyine should be able to have their likes and dislikes, but it should not mean belittling a devine creature.
For Gods sake he is 3, he is a stallion and he was at a STALLION PARADE.
A majority of stallions go wide behind intermitently due to their dangly bits, it is also very well known that young warmbloods go wide behind intermitently, it’s a maturing and growing thing.

If he had of turned up and been run-of-the-mill do you think that would have been beneficial for his owners?, NO but look what is happening all over the world, we are debating the pros and cons of QUATERBACK, I for one would be extremely pleased if I were his owners right now !!!

I just heard that Quaterback has been accepted for Hannoverian!!

[nero]

geez foxxxy, you remind me of someone called trailblazer!!!

[DanniS]

Latest news is that he is NOT for sale and will be aimed at the World Championships.
And he is now approved Hannoverian:)

[Rusty_Stirrup]

Beautiful baby. In the electric surroundings he is in it’s looks to me that he is forming his own advanced “frame”. The rider is very tactful in keeping him focused and nothing looks forced. I’m sure he is getting the best of everything, encluding training. I’m also sure no one will endanger his future and we need not worry about that. HE may offer too much, too soon. As they say, let’s hope that the brightest flames doesn’t burn out first. I too will watch his progress with interest and dream about riding such a horse one day.

[Sakura]

God! Why do Hannoverians keep doing this to me? First Rosenthal and now this young stallion… I’m just going to have to breed a nice half Arab for myself someday so I can have the best of both worlds :D.

[Kathy_Johnson]

A majority of stallions go wide behind intermitently due to their dangly bits, it is also very well known that young warmbloods go wide behind intermitently, it’s a maturing and growing thing.

Horses go wide behind when they are pushed past their level of strength. They do it most frequently when asked to engage in the mediums more than they are ready for. They can’t step under, so they step out. It’s a training issue. None of the stallions I’ve ridden ever did it due to their dangly parts.

[Robyn]

“Dangly parts” Gosh, I just LOVE that…can one use that phrase to describe species other than equine do you think??

Robin

[retrofit]

[QUOTE=FoxxxyStarr;2032131]
this Quaterback might be the pinnacle of your horse world, but he is just another show horse to the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

The “rest of us”? This is what, your 3rd post, and you are speaking for … whom, exactly?

@Sakura;2032260

God! Why do Hannoverians keep doing this to me? First Rosenthal and now this young stallion… I’m just going to have to breed a nice half Arab for myself someday so I can have the best of both worlds :D.

Sakura - Are you aware of the 2 for 1 Rosenthal breedings for Arab mares offered by High Point?