Steeped In Luck was collected at the facility I boarded at for a few years. He was (and I guess still is! 
) an impressive stallion in person and a doll to handle as well. I didnt realize he was doing as well as he was right now … 
Any comments on the pedigree of Jaunty Star:
http://www.dkhirishdraughtsporthorses.ca/Jaunty%20Star.eml
And on his sire - Alice’s Diamond Slipper?
http://www.bowlandirishdraughthorses.co.uk/alice’s_diamond_slipper.htm
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I know “0” about ID’s …
I always “assumed” that they were too heavy and “clunky” to be successful in the upper levels of anything and you needed to cross them with something lighter like a TB in order to get a successful and competitive animal …
Are there “Old Style” ID’s? (very much like some of the Old Style Hanoverian’s and other WB’s) and “Newer Style” ones that are lighter in frame that can successfuly compete head to head with what the best of the WB breeds have to offer? Or - are the older style / heavier ID’s very competitive on their own?
Ive always loved the ISH’s and think they are the best of both breeds but profess to know little to nothing about ID’s … :)[/QUOTE]
They were purpose bred to be all arounders - work the fields, drive the family to town, and go out hunting and jumping after hours. Most of the upper level competitors were crossed with ID, some of the jumper breeders on these boards (tom comes to mind) have mares in their program with Clover Hill, Cruising, etc.
O’Leary’s Irish Diamond (linked above) has offspring (1/2 ID) competing internationally in show jumping - I believe.
Clover Hill was one of the most famous IDs for producing show jumpers and he was 1/2 TB.
I think most pure IDs are “old style” and you venture to the ISHs for “modern,” but I have seen some more modern looking purebreds (like Macha Breeze). http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii170/okgottago/Horses/Durham/?action=view¤t=Oct09lesson024.jpg this guy is 1/2 ID and more “old” style. http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii170/okgottago/Horses/Dawn/?action=view¤t=Dec52009081a.jpg she is 1/4 ID and what I would call more “modern.”
Greetings from Wellington, I am down here running Tom’s barn and get the fun of spending my days with Steeped in Luck (Eamon). I promised an update so here goes; he attended his first ‘big time’ show this past weekend at the Jim Brandon Center’s Gold Coast Opener CDI and was super. He competed in Fourth Level securing a 4th and a 2nd place on Fri and Sat in a competitive Open division with a solid 65% and 61% (the 61 was the result of him doing too many tempi changes on the diagonal than he was supposed to but overall he was very competitive against the ‘typical dressage’ competition, the scores were pretty low a 66 and 64 took 1st place!) Unfortunately on Sunday one of our horses was sick back at the home farm and Tom decided to scratch so we could spend our time with it recovering. Eamon is very much still a doll Truecolours, while I was gone he let one of our clients who doesn’t normally handle him go in a pull out his braids while he was down curled up sleeping… so cute! Funny story from the show, Eamon was placed in the CDI barn with Toms other horses and the FEI vet came round for the health inspection and to take the temperatures of the horses. He takes Eamon`s temp and then asks me with much authority to pull him out of the stall, walk him out and then stand him up square out in the courtyard in the sun. I was freaking thinking something was wrong, that perhaps I had missed some tell tale sign of illness… Then he asks me to get his attention, to get his ears pricked forward and I realize he has whipped out his iphone and is just wanting to take photos of the big guy to show all his friends later!!! We all had a good laugh afterwards at how Eamon make constant ‘fans’ everywhere he goes. The next show is in 2 ½ weeks and I will report after then. Cheers, Em
The purebred stallions KEC Double Diamond and O’Leary’s Irish Diamond have competed successfully in upper level dressage, and possibly Western Sun as well.
My TB/Conn Lotty Go Bragh is in foal to Bridon Belfrey for a late foal. I wasn’t going to breed her back but just might breed her to Touch of the Blues since I might not get another chance.
Sophie is a TOTB daughter out of a Conn/Trak mare
Hi Rita!!! Welcome to COTH!!
BTW LOVE your boy Had no idea we could get his swimmers here. That opens up some new possibililities for sure!!
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Greetings from Wellington, I am down here running Tom’s barn and get the fun of spending my days with Steeped in Luck (Eamon). I promised an update so here goes; he attended his first ‘big time’ show this past weekend at the Jim Brandon Center’s Gold Coast Opener CDI and was super. He competed in Fourth Level securing a 4th and a 2nd place on Fri and Sat in a competitive Open division with a solid 65% and 61% (the 61 was the result of him doing too many tempi changes on the diagonal than he was supposed to but overall he was very competitive against the ‘typical dressage’ competition, the scores were pretty low a 66 and 64 took 1st place!) Unfortunately on Sunday one of our horses was sick back at the home farm and Tom decided to scratch so we could spend our time with it recovering. Eamon is very much still a doll Truecolours, while I was gone he let one of our clients who doesn’t normally handle him go in a pull out his braids while he was down curled up sleeping… so cute! Funny story from the show, Eamon was placed in the CDI barn with Toms other horses and the FEI vet came round for the health inspection and to take the temperatures of the horses. He takes Eamon`s temp and then asks me with much authority to pull him out of the stall, walk him out and then stand him up square out in the courtyard in the sun. I was freaking thinking something was wrong, that perhaps I had missed some tell tale sign of illness… Then he asks me to get his attention, to get his ears pricked forward and I realize he has whipped out his iphone and is just wanting to take photos of the big guy to show all his friends later!!! We all had a good laugh afterwards at how Eamon make constant ‘fans’ everywhere he goes. The next show is in 2 ½ weeks and I will report after then. Cheers, Em[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the update. I’m waiting on hearing back from his owner about his frozen for one of my RID mares. I love hearing that his temperment matches his talent - amazing
Hello
Thanks for the warm welcome, it is lovely to hear from other Irish Draught lovers.
There is frozen semen available for the good old USA but I am affraid none has been imported there yet. But if anyone is interested I am looking for an agent over there.
Archie has just had the 1st foal born by frozen semen in South Africa from a UK RID stallion , and 3 mares inseminated in New Zealand Dec 09 have all been scanned in foal with a heartbeat with one dose on the 1st try, so his semen is thawing well , Tullis Matson at Stallion AI Services says it is at least 35% progressive Motile thawed.
You can get more information from tullis@stallionai.com.
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Thanks for the update. I’m waiting on hearing back from his owner about his frozen for one of my RID mares. I love hearing that his temperment matches his talent - amazing :)[/QUOTE]
You will not be disappointed. I crossed a TB mare with him, who I have since sold and she is now training for her hunter career. The filly is built much like him. I can’t wait to get some rides on her!
And the AI process from frozen went really smooth, one try and one straw was used.
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ID vs ISH
The ID is a great breed to add sanity/forgiveness to a horse. However for upper level competition their draught background counts against them they just dont have the athleticism/sharpness required for modern day showjumping tracks, or the galloping capacity for top level eventing.
As coopers mom and leslie 645 and others have pointed out there are two types of ID, the old heavier type,the ones bred to reflect their draught heritage who generally dont compete in much except in hand showing/low level jumping/low level eventing/hunting. And the other sportier type (often containing TBs ancestry) bred to compete and to complement crossing with a TB mare or high percentage TB mare to produce what was the traditional Irish showjumping mount the “half bred” or the traditional Irish eventing mount the “Three quarter bred” both of these off spring would not be eligible for registration as ID, but would be registered as an Irish Sport Horse (ISH).
2 good examples of this are:
Cruising (ISH) an Aaachen GP winning showjumper by a high level jumper sea creast (ID with some TB in his backbreeding) out of an international jumping mare mullacrew (75+% TB).
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=709360
Shear H20 (ISH) a multiple olympic medallist in Sydney and Athens by Stan the Man (TB) out of an ISH mare (by Carnival night TB out of an ID mare)
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=shear+h20&x=0&y=0
The ISH is in my opinion the ideal way to use the ID. As a platform to add bone, power and temperment to the athlethicism of the TB. The problem with the ISH nowadays is that Irish breeders let many of their great mares be sold abroad and we didnt update our breeding goals to reflect the changes in international competition. This has resulted in our fall from the heyday of breeding great horses like boomerang, special envoy, ryans son, tomboy, rockbarton etc. to our lowly ranking in the showjumping breeding rankings nowadays. Our eventers are still doing well because they are still being bred with a high % of TB which is still vital to top level sucess in the sport.
This formula here for showjumpers is being updated again with the introduction of more WB to our breeding to add more blood and movement to our ISH mares. the results are starting to look promising.
Take for example “Drumiller Lough” 2nd in this years 6 year old final in Lanaken. He is a product of crossing a WB (heartbreaker) with a “half bred” ISH by Mountain Pearl who is back in ireland after a stint in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu1RZUhcyEA
Well - I am now the proud owner of DKH Star Prospect - an ISH mare by the imported ID sire - Jaunty Star that came over from the UK a few years ago and I believe will be competing at the Prelim level this year
She will be bred to my cremello TB stallion and we are really looking forward to buckskin and palomino 3/4 TB 1/4 ID ISH youngsters in the years to come
Its a fun new direction to get involved with and I cant wait for these babies to start arriving! !
I believe that variations of the ISH’s (1/2, 3/4, 7/8 TB) are the way to go! They are winning in all sorts of competitions around the world and are sooooo easy to deal with…that from a die hard TB person!! We began our new breeding direction in 2008 with the purchase of a big, beautiful, ISH broodmare by The Irish Rover (Kildalton Gold) who we bred to Jagged Illusion. The filly, born last spring is 3/4 TB/1/4 RID and is “to die for” gorgeous!! She looks like a big boned TB, with a beautiful head and is dark seal brown with the overo markings. Having lost Jagged Illusion last year, we are now directing our breeding toward the ISH stud we bought as a suckling…Seattle Blues by Touch of the Blues out of a Seattle Slew granddaughter. Breeding him to the Puchi’s Rambo, painted fillies we will again produce 3/4 TB/1/4 RID and hopefully the strong Puchilingui / Puchi’s Rambo, colored genes will give us some painted and/or flashy ISH’s. Seattle Blues is pushing 16.3 at 3.5 years and still growing like crazy. These ISH’s are so nice to live and work with. Blue still turns out with a pure TB gelding and they are best friends who rip, run and play hard, but leave no dents or marks on each other. When she loses her winter fuzzies, I’ll be posting pictures of “Jag’s Irish Flirt” on our web site…not an ad…she’s not for sale!!
The ID is a great breed to add sanity/forgiveness to a horse. However for upper level competition their draught background counts against them
The Irish Draught does NOT come from a draft horse background. The name comes from being draughted into service in the army. They are not and never were plow horses. They do light farm work, hunt, jump, take the family to church on Sunday, etc. They come from the Irish Hobby and possibly/probably some Andalusian blood, but NOT draft.
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The Irish Draught does NOT come from a draft horse background. The name comes from being draughted into service in the army. They are not and never were plow horses. They do light farm work, hunt, jump, take the family to church on Sunday, etc. They come from the Irish Hobby and possibly/probably some Andalusian blood, but NOT draft.[/QUOTE]
Yup. They were made to be lighter, multi-purpose horses. One that was too drafty to do everything would have been undesirable, and wouldn’t have been used for breeding.
[QUOTE=Tiki;4716626]
The Irish Draught does NOT come from a draft horse background. The name comes from being draughted into service in the army. They are not and never were plow horses. They do light farm work, hunt, jump, take the family to church on Sunday, etc. They come from the Irish Hobby and possibly/probably some Andalusian blood, but NOT draft.[/QUOTE]
Ok our decriptions of draught horse differs from the draught horses of the continent used for pulling barges, dreys (basically massive loads which we had shires and clydesdales to do). The irish draught horse has never been as heavy or blocky as the percheron, shire or clydesdale but the breed HAS been used for agriculture (ploughing, tilling, pulling loaded carts) while also doing the other tasks required (hunting, pulling the family around etc.). The government here once gave grants to add clydesdale blood to the breed to improve its size, pulling power & strength. This practice was reversed when the resulting offspring were seen to be coarser, less versatile and lacking stamina by adding TB blood back into the breed. Many years before this Andalusian blood was probably added after the armada was sunk off the west coast and some horses made it to land to add similar properties to the native breed.
Ireland until recently was not in general a wealthy country the irish draught had to be everything in one for those lucky enough to own one. That meant it had to get dirty in the fields before trotting to town under saddle, then go hunting on the weekend. Irish farmers (barring the minority of rich ones/landlords) did not have the luxury of having a ‘hobby’ horse.
Im not trying to give to give a history lesson only to point out the ID’s strength/versatility/character came from the necessity of many not the plaything of a few.
Their use as artillery horses was not a breeding goal just that the characteristics required were similar to those needed by Irish famers.
The ID breed has served this country well for many many years and is dear to our hearts but to sugar coat its origins is to ignore the past of our land.
Thanks, Wigum. Well said.
Touch Of The Blues RID
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Thanks
Simone :yes:
I second Touch of the Blues!! Our ISH stallion prospect is sired by him and out of a Seattle Slew granddaughter and we couldn’t be happier!! Awesome horse. I think TOTB’s is much underestimated and appreciated!!
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