Back some years ago there was a thread about iron noseband halters for stallion handling, but I can’t locate the thread. Anyone know where to buy such halters?? I need a bit more attitude adjustment for a stallion. He’s not mean or rank, just bullish and incredibly strong! We used to have one but sold it to someone else!! Thanks.
I think I saw one in the Dressage Extensions catalog.
Never saw the original topic but found this on line
http://www.equus-libris.com/catalog//catalog/product_info.php?products_id=143&osCsid=6454847955f0ba7123cc773e3fdd3eba
http://www.usfriesianreferral.com/halters.html
At the racetrack what is termed an “iron halter” is a rectangular device with a ring welded on it, with a simple strap to go over the poll…I am trying to find the “correct” name for it because when I google it, I’m not finding it.
Is that what you’re looking for?
Dee
Clinton Anderson rope halter…
I have used this halter every day for about 5 years. I LOVE this thing. The material (cord) used is different than any other rope halter and is one of the reasons it works, the other reason it works is the placement of the tied knots…they are strategic in location and work on pressure points on the horses face. I don’t even own a “stallion” halter or “stallion lead chain” anymore.
It is great for a stallion or any unruly character. It is the ONLY halter I use on my crew on a daily basis. It’s a little pricey but considering the amount of use, it is worth every cent.
Most of the time, you never need it to “work” but IF you do, it’s there. I have NEVER had it “sore” a horse or remove hair, even it Mr. Studly is sincerely trying your patience!
http://www.downunderhorsemanship.com/products2.cfm/id/214/name/Halter and Lead
I HIGHLY recommend it!
Interesting. It doesn’t look any different than any other rope halter except the 2 extra knots on the nose piece.
Did you use it on your stallion when he was younger or after he was trained?
I’m asking because when I got my stallion back as a 2+ yr old (who had already pasture bred a mare!), all he had ever been in was a rope halter of this type. The gal at the other end didn’t have much of an idea what she was doing, but I know the first time Stallion Boy had a meltdown at my place I tried a correction with this rope halter and he he ran right through it!! Gave me blisters like you would NOT believe on my hands and got loose.
I switched to a chain, because that is what I am really comfortable with. We used that for the next 2 years, then went back to the rope halter.
As for the stud halter with the metal ring – I had one for years, but I don’t like them. Reason? When the stallion bobs his head, he bangs himself on the nose! Not much control, IMHO.
I still prefer the chain, but maybe it IS because I am familiar with this tool the most. It can be very quiet and the stallion doesn’t even know it’s there, and then you can bust them REALLY seriously if they are naughty.
I DO put a longer lead rope on them – I actually use a Clint Anderson-type lead rope (12 ft) on the end of the chain.
I think alot of it is simply what you are use to…
Are you looking for a chifney?
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I have used this halter every day for about 5 years. I LOVE this thing. The material (cord) used is different than any other rope halter and is one of the reasons it works, the other reason it works is the placement of the tied knots…they are strategic in location and work on pressure points on the horses face. I don’t even own a “stallion” halter or “stallion lead chain” anymore.
It is great for a stallion or any unruly character. It is the ONLY halter I use on my crew on a daily basis. It’s a little pricey but considering the amount of use, it is worth every cent.
Most of the time, you never need it to “work” but IF you do, it’s there. I have NEVER had it “sore” a horse or remove hair, even it Mr. Studly is sincerely trying your patience!
http://www.downunderhorsemanship.com/products2.cfm/id/214/name/Halter and Lead
I HIGHLY recommend it![/QUOTE]
Don’t pay for the name! You can get the same halter for MUCH LESS on eBay.
No you can NOT unless you can find a CA one!!!
Until you actually hold one of these CA halters in your hand, you just do NOT understand the difference. They are NOT just tied rope halters!!! They are NOT.
I actually took my CA halter to a local saddle maker that has ALWAYS been able to “reproduce” anything I have ever brought him…he could not reproduce it. He said it is in the expertise of placing the knots and MOST IMPORTANTLY the actual ROPE used. It is VERY different, almost a cord but then it is softer than a cord. Hard to explain actually unless you have personally held it in your hands.
Kyzteke, I have used this CA halter on all sorts of stallions of many ages and any other horse of an age that it would fit. I even breed and collect my stallions in this halter!!! Believe me , it WILL GET THEIR ATTENTION!!! But at the same time, it you don’t NEED it, it is just a halter.
I have the halter and lead but the lead is too long for every day use, so I just use a regular rope leadrope. My recommendation would be to call and see if you can just buy the halter. That would save you $ and the lead is not really necessary. It’s actually too short for a longe line but too long for a lead. He uses it to do all sorts of ground work and I’m sure it is good for that but I just don’t use it much.
Again, I have owned stallions for nearly 30 years, this CA halter is definitely “all that”.
The hard nosepiece with a ring on front to me is a longeing cavesson, but today they make them really cr*ppy and useless. I have one I love, and it really controls a horse when longeing, but never thought of it as a stallion/control thing.
The CA halter is not majical. Thinner rope, like bits are always more harsh. You add knots to a hay rope and you have really severe. Anyone ever been held on the ground with a thread across the bridge of your nose? :yes: :lol:
I definitely prefer a chain to a rope halter, as I can control the strength, and can up the strength by going over the nose, thru the mouth, or over the upper gums. Easy options, that you can switch to fast.
No it’s not magical…
it just works. Mine is not a single rope, it’s double rope. It’s probably about an inch wide. I love, love, love mine.
Chifney bit. You can use it alone, with halter or in addition to bridle to lead a horse. In Europe we don’t use lead ponies, people lead horses to the track using Chifney bits over their bridles.
Stallions/Colts and Fillies/Mares racehorses.
I’d prefer Chifney bit to chain over nose or upper gum lip.
crosscreeksh, I think that what you are talking about isn’t a chiffney, which has a ring that goes in the horse’s mouth and under their chin–it’s a bit that is a circle–but instead the “breeding halter” where the noseband is an oval made out of metal? And the horse’s nose is inside this metal ring?
We found one on a racehorse supply website. I’ll try to find the link. Then I randomly found one at a used tack store and we snatched it up–so now we have a larger one and a smaller one 
Is it the “Noval” or “Noavel” (sp?) you’re talking about?
This is the closest approximation I could find to an iron halter - the one I remember was more rectangular, and I actually thought the ring was on top of the nose (unless someone had put it on upside down! :D)
Dee
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I think I saw one in the Dressage Extensions catalog.[/QUOTE]
Is this it? http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=2245
They call it a “Mannering Caveson”
He said it is in the expertise of placing the knots and MOST IMPORTANTLY the actual ROPE used. It is VERY different, almost a cord but then it is softer than a cord. Hard to explain actually unless you have personally held it in your hands.
Glad you found something that works.
But every horses head is different so the knots will be in different spots on each horse. And the cord is probably yacht rope?
CA wants $90 for a rope halter?! :eek::eek: Wow, no thanks.
I think BDJ found what the OP is looking for. Sure looks like it would stop a horse!
Haven’t seen one in years…friend had one for her really rank Appy stallion (gorgeous animal but manners from HELL and attitude on top of it). Frankly, don’t think I’d be wanting to breed to a stallion that needed that much hardware to control him. Had a little Arab once that thought he was all of 17 hands and a BIG BOY…first time hand breeding him took all day as he was on his hind feet, screaming and hollering and jumping around when we came out of the barn and he saw a mare ready…so he went back to his stall for a half hour. Next time out he made it about 50 feet before he lost it…back to his stall. About 5-6 more trips out but he figured it out…keep your feet on the ground and don’t pull, crowd me or otherwise behave like a jackass and you’ll get to visit the mare…don’t behave and you won’t get any…incentive was sufficient…he became a very easy to handle horse with two more mares to encourage his better self to show up.
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Haven’t seen one in years…friend had one for her really rank Appy stallion (gorgeous animal but manners from HELL and attitude on top of it). Frankly, don’t think I’d be wanting to breed to a stallion that needed that much hardware to control him. Had a little Arab once that thought he was all of 17 hands and a BIG BOY…first time hand breeding him took all day as he was on his hind feet, screaming and hollering and jumping around when we came out of the barn and he saw a mare ready…so he went back to his stall for a half hour. Next time out he made it about 50 feet before he lost it…back to his stall. About 5-6 more trips out but he figured it out…keep your feet on the ground and don’t pull, crowd me or otherwise behave like a jackass and you’ll get to visit the mare…don’t behave and you won’t get any…incentive was sufficient…he became a very easy to handle horse with two more mares to encourage his better self to show up.[/QUOTE]
I actually really like the idea of using the actual mare as the incentive… very smart!
Also, I’d have to put in another vote for the CA halter. Had one at my barn just like it, only not CA brand. Knots were in the same place, I’ve seen the CA ones before. They’re great and hold up brilliantly.
