Hi everyone,
This is my first time posting on this forum although I have been following some conversations and using the forum to get informations I needed, which was very helpfull.
Anyhow, I read that some COTH members had bred arabian mares to warmblood stallions. I wanted to know what you thought of the offsprings, what stallion you used and if you had any trouble selling the progeny.
Thank you for ant i nformation you can bring me so I can make a more educated decision.
I sold mine (my wb mare, SportArabs stallion)'as a yearling and the one I co owned with SportArab ( her Arab mare, my breeding to Grandom) sold in utero.
My friend who has had a couple has sold them before they hit 2, except for the one she’s not really marketing because she’s nice and she kind of wants to keep her.
Absolutely there is a market, but it doesn’t seem to be the market that many breeders of that cross would like.
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Also true. Both sold to folks showing half Arab classes at Arab shows. I think the WB breeders would like to see them at open shows. But… As a seller… They both sold young to show homes. I’m good!
I definitely think the first generation market that can be registered half arab is better than the later generations that cannot be. But even for the half-arab market, there’s a lot of expectations of performance record at AHA shows to command that higher price tag. It’s a very different price bracket than full wbs command.
(I have an arabian/oldenburg so I say nothing with the intent to offend anyone)
That said, I wish there were a stronger market for them as they are ideal dressage mounts for smaller riders, and tend to be light, forward, and intelligent.
Thank you all for your answers! It is pretty encouraging.
As a French living in the US, I have not figured out yet what the breed rules and regulations really were yet, but I think I understood that you can take a mare to the Oldenburg or Hanoverian inspection to try to have her written in the studbook as a breeding mare for the breed. Has anyone done that yet? How difficult is it to get in for araboian mares? Second question what is the average price tag you can put on those guys?
Ladyj79, Where is the 2nd generation registered at then?
Most warmblood registries have lots of arab blood in them.
One of us is 20% arab. The other has more than 20% arab blood. Check out the books showing the registries and the horses that are graded into the registries. Most of them have that arabian connection.
I personally am interested in these crosses. A nice 1/2 Arab 1/2 WB cross colt sold in an auction as a weanling last year.
You can present an Arabian mare to most (all?) of the WB registries. However, the more stringent ones, such as the AHS, are very strict as to the type of Arabian they will accept. They want the right type, right size and right movement. They also must be papered in an accepted studbook (not sure what that is for Arabs, but for example Tbs it is the Jockey Club).
My mare has Matcho AA, an Anglo-arab, that was widely used as a refining stallion. He was quite athletic and I believe won his stallion performance against the WBs of that year. Not only did he add refinement, but he was quite the jumper and helped improve dressage ability.
It’s easy to get an arab mare through RPSI and Old-NA inspections. I believe they can be approved GOV, not AHHA, and I don’t know about Hanoverian. Thus all resulting foals are eligible for registration in those books, provided stallion is also approved. They are also registerable half-arab. The double registered half-arabs can only produce half arab foals if the other parent is full arab (I know a particular breeder breeding two arab wb crosses, and not understanding that the resulting foals are not eligible for half-arab registry).
I think there is reasonable value in the AHA (half arab registry) but not anywhere near what a full wb foal might command.
From there it really depends on the quality of the foal, both breeding wise and conformation, but you still can’t command the price of a full wb, or even a tb/wb, possibly because arabs don’t have the reputation as sport horses that thoroughbreds do, and also simple logistics–the resulting horses tend to be small. Not all, but most, will be smaller and more refined, so it really depends a lot on the wb lines.
I can tell you from my experience, as young horses they tend to sit on the market much above 7500, even those with entry in WB books.
The big thing with the Arabs is “the right type” to cross with warmbloods. Size aside , there are a lot of Egyptian halter Arabs with teacup heads and croups flat as a pancake. Polish/ endurance Arabs tend to be more the right build, as well as Bey lines and a few others .
And amazing Shagya arabs 
Thank you very much. Great info. I think I might get in touch with some of the warmblood registries to find out what they are looking for.
I know the Oldenburg are having an inspection in Franckfurt KY which is really close to me. I might take a chance and bring one of my mares.
Here is a link to a mare I am thinking of crossing with a warmblood. She was 2 years old on the video. She is turning five this spring. She has matured but she is still the same little bomb! Critics are welcome. I already have my opinion, I would like to have yours and all your suggestion for a stallion are more than welcome! Have fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yOVdh6ub8
Playland Farm in Maryland breeds Arabian mares to their Irish Draught stallion. They produce wonderful, ammy friendly, event horses. Glenda seems to sell all of her babies as soon as she has them under saddle. They are registered as IDSH as well as half Arabian.
Where is Stripes (Tamara)? Her Arab mare is approved Hanoverian, so I can say w/ certainty that AHS accepts Arabs. As for the market - the Arab Sport Horse circuit is much more active on the West Coast - so half-Arabs are more marketable here. As stated, you do need the right cross - but Arabs are a great refining breed, having been used for centuries in many other breeds, so they do tend to cross well.
Just for clarity, AHA is the Arabian Horse Association
AHS is American Hanoverian Society.
I’ve done this numerous times and had good results with easy to sell foals, sometimes in utero. One of the ones I sold as a yearling is showing open and the owner has had many offers on him (he is an Amiral son)
I have a big Budweiser gelding that hunter folks totally lust after (he’s chestnut with LOTS of chrome and is about 16.2 with a super scopey jump).
It really depends on the quality of the mare/stallion and how well they nick.
I’ve had no trouble selling the ones I really want to sell. I’ve retained several for my breeding program and expect that if I want to sell their offspring to the open market, I’ll need to show them in hand at least to get the right price.
My Arab mares that I’ve bred to Warmblood stallions are all GOV approved.
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Thank you all for your answers! It is pretty encouraging.
As a French living in the US, I have not figured out yet what the breed rules and regulations really were yet, but I think I understood that you can take a mare to the Oldenburg or Hanoverian inspection to try to have her written in the studbook as a breeding mare for the breed. Has anyone done that yet? How difficult is it to get in for araboian mares? Second question what is the average price tag you can put on those guys?[/QUOTE]
