Now I desperately want to see the Budweiser gelding!
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My mare has Matcho AA, an Anglo-arab, that was widely used as a refining stallion. He was quite athletic and I believe won his stallion performance against the WBs of that year. Not only did he add refinement, but he was quite the jumper and helped improve dressage ability.[/QUOTE]
I think it’s important that American breeders realize that when European horses have “Arabian” in their pedigree, it’s not the kind of Arab that we think of…which is usually Crabbet, Egyptian or Polish.
Ramzes, founder of his own line in 3 different WB registries was listed as an “Anglo Arab” but his dam (the Arab) was a Shagya Arab.
Both Matcho’s sire and dam (in fact his entire pedigree) were French AA’s, which is a breed in and of itself (not F1’s) and has been for 100’s of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Anglo-arab
It was interesting to me to discover that one of the founding sires of the French AA was actually a “Turkomene” stallion…basically an Akhal Teke!
The Selle Francais (another French breed) has heavy AA influence, but again, we need to remember that when they talk “arab” it’s not what we are looking at.
All that being said, you need to be really care with the type of Arab you use, because so many have characteristics that you really don’t want in a sporthorse…most commonly (IME), a less-than ideal canter and very small height.
But there is a market for those that look warmblood-y enough to win on the Arab circuit. Oddly, (again, strictly IME), the “straight” dressage riders don’t seem too kind on the crosses…you have to sell them to the Arab folks.
My one PB Arab mare is too old to breed anymore, but if I was doing to do it, I would cross a nice WB or TB mare with one of the newer French racing Arabs to gain size, bone and athleticism.
Like this guy:
http://www.crerunfarm.com/pages/sadeem.html
Or this guy: http://www.mandolynn.com/stallion_pages/oman-de-blaziet.html
As far as the (WB) stallions used I know both Rosenthal & Frohwind are/were used alot on Arab mares with good success. I bred my Polish Arab mare to Werigo and got a GREAT filly…but could not sell her (tried for 2 years). Endurance people loved her, but she was too expensive for them (a whopping $4500 for an unstarted 3 yr old)…the dressage people LOVED her (said she had great gaits), but she was too short (15.1hh when she was on tippy toes).
That was some years ago, (before the Arab Sporthorse Nationals) so maybe the market has changed, but it can be real difficult to sell those short ones…
We have clients with really lovely Arab crosses using Waldaire.
Allanglos, who has posted here (The Inverted Y) has two Anglo Arabs that are very successful. One is Galileo who championed his first year out at WSHJA and MHJA and also now Touch of Class, both on the sold list here-
http://www.allanglos.net/horses/angloarabians.html
Galileo and his rider were featured last year in the Chronicle.
The best local warmblood crosses I have seen have been by Arabian stallion Tristtan, mostly bred to Swedes,
And down in CA there is a breeder who owns Bonn Fyre Farms, her babies are FABULOUS and sell like hotcakes, here is her Youtube channel-
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Now I desperately want to see the Budweiser gelding![/QUOTE]
Here you go. First photo on the page is him as a yearling. He’s about 16.2 now.
http://fieryrunfarm.com/bs.html
I would say, regarding some comments by others, that size is a big factor. I really liked that Budweiser produced size every time I bred to him. I would have kept breeding to him if he hadn’t left the country. Amiral is another I’d have bred to in a heartbeat, but he died the year after that fab baby was born and baby’s dam isn’t a good candidate for frozen.
He is lovely 
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He is lovely :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much. I am seriously thinking of going to the Oldenburg inspection in September, but I think I am gonna breed my mare now before it is too late for the season. Can someone look at my video and tell me what kind of stallion I should breed her with? Or do I have to start another post?
Thanks all!
Presuming you are looking at retail, what market or discipline are you wanting to appeal to? I’d definitely be looking at stallions who add size, and have name brand recognition in your discipline of choice.
Sure. I would aim for a dressage warmblood arabian cross.
I had a few interactions with this guy: http://www.warmblood-sales.com/PrintFlyer.asp?HorseID=30653.
I rather liked him, and I’ve no special affinity for arabs or arab/crosses. One thing that surprised me was how much bone this guy had.
So, maybe an older style - not a refined - wb stallion such as Donavan http://kentislandsporthorses.com/donavan.html.
OP why not wait a year, get her out to a few shows, go through approval and breed her next year? Trying to breed this year will really limit what is available since you will have a narrow window to pick a stud and arrange everything unless you go with something local.
Absolutely not an expert but in that free lunging video she looks a bit restricted in her shoulder. An under saddle video may be a more accurate representation of her movement since most horses tend to suck back, get bouncier, and appear more tight when riled up.
Sinatra Song has many Arabian crosses on the ground and they show him to be a solid choice for the cross. He’s also 9th on the USEF list for dressage breeding sires. He’s prepotent for passing his type which is useful doing a cross. He’s leggy, modern and elegant, so his type can be similiar with the right Arabian mare. Like to like can improve the odds of a consistent result.
I’m not a breeder, just someone who studied. I may breed again, but for now I’m riding.
My 5 year old is getting consistent 71-75’s in his training level tests and he’s a sweet natured, bold and intelligent horse. My mare is making 60-68’s in her first shows, so she contributed, too.
I did the cross with my Straight Egyptian mare. I wanted her good brain and work ethic in a warmblood package. My girl is a big bodied, elegant mare with a correct and powerful hind end. She was slow to mature, but now at 10 she’s a delight. The 5 year old is still lanky, though muscled. I know where that comes from.
Yes, I am having fun with my home bred.
re 4m post: No.on the whole mixing an Arab with a heavy old style WB is a recipe for more likely to get mismatched body parts. Breeding heavy to light does not = medium parts. You get some parts as is from each side. Risking a heavy old style body on Arab legs, not a good thing. I would ideally use something with tb or Anglo Arab in him
OP, I think your mare is very pretty, nice type, and movement is good, although not as much shoulder freedom as you might like to see. If I were you, I’d see what the GOV or AHS think of her. She looks pretty nice in the video.
I would NOT breed her to an older style warmblood. I would rather breed her to someone that is modern and very typey, like Sir Gregory.
Thanks Edgewood, I agree with you, no old type warmblood, and a stallion with shoulder freedom. I will check out Sir Gregory. I am actually looking at European stallion which seem to be much more spectacular movers for some of them than what we can find here in the States. Have you tried some of those stallion thru the internet brokers like Superiorequinesires.com or Yanceyfarm.com?
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re 4m post: No.on the whole mixing an Arab with a heavy old style WB is a recipe for more likely to get mismatched body parts. Breeding heavy to light does not = medium parts. You get some parts as is from each side. Risking a heavy old style body on Arab legs, not a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Agree with you!
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Sinatra Song has many Arabian crosses on the ground and they show him to be a solid choice for the cross. He’s also 9th on the USEF list for dressage breeding sires. He’s prepotent for passing his type which is useful doing a cross. He’s leggy, modern and elegant, so his type can be similiar with the right Arabian mare. Like to like can improve the odds of a consistent result.
I’m not a breeder, just someone who studied. I may breed again, but for now I’m riding.
My 5 year old is getting consistent 71-75’s in his training level tests and he’s a sweet natured, bold and intelligent horse. My mare is making 60-68’s in her first shows, so she contributed, too.
I did the cross with my Straight Egyptian mare. I wanted her good brain and work ethic in a warmblood package. My girl is a big bodied, elegant mare with a correct and powerful hind end. She was slow to mature, but now at 10 she’s a delight. The 5 year old is still lanky, though muscled. I know where that comes from.
Yes, I am having fun with my home bred.[/QUOTE]
I like Sinatra’s song too. He is one of my prospects.
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Thank you very much. Great info. I think I might get in touch with some of the warmblood registries to find out what they are looking for.
I know the Oldenburg are having an inspection in Franckfurt KY which is really close to me. I might take a chance and bring one of my mares.
Here is a link to a mare I am thinking of crossing with a warmblood. She was 2 years old on the video. She is turning five this spring. She has matured but she is still the same little bomb! Critics are welcome. I already have my opinion, I would like to have yours and all your suggestion for a stallion are more than welcome! Have fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yOVdh6ub8[/QUOTE]
I like your mare and think she would do fine with a modern type warmblood that might give the baby more suspension and thrust from behind.
It would certainly be a plus if you could find one that consistently produces taller babies since there is no question that the buying public is into larger horses.
You didn’t say how tall your mare is, but I will tell you that the GOV seems to have a cutoff for their studbooks. One of my girls just squeaked in based on the foal I brought her with. Initially the inspector shook her head and said, “this is practically a pony.”
I had brought her with the gelding I mentioned earlier and when he strutted his stuff, the inspector said, OK, that’s a very nice baby. We’ll put her in the Mare Book. By the time I’d shown up with her fourth foal, I was told that it might be possible to get her bumped up to the Main Mare Book, based on her production.
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I like your mare and think she would do fine with a modern type warmblood that might give the baby more suspension and thrust from behind.
It would certainly be a plus if you could find one that consistently produces taller babies since there is no question that the buying public is into larger horses.
You didn’t say how tall your mare is, but I will tell you that the GOV seems to have a cutoff for their studbooks. One of my girls just squeaked in based on the foal I brought her with. Initially the inspector shook her head and said, “this is practically a pony.”
I had brought her with the gelding I mentioned earlier and when he strutted his stuff, the inspector said, OK, that’s a very nice baby. We’ll put her in the Mare Book. By the time I’d shown up with her fourth foal, I was told that it might be possible to get her bumped up to the Main Mare Book, based on her production.[/QUOTE]
She is 15 hh now. She is not small for an arabian but I don’t know if it would considered enough for warmblood registries. Is there a stallion out there that is known to passing on shoulder movement?
She is quite powerful from the hind, I realized that when I started riding her. So I am not too worried about that!
How tall was your mare to be considered a pony?
