I am not a breeder, but have seen a nice cross locally with Schroeder as the sire, out of a solid Polish-bred mare.
Schroeder’s owner posts on here, and may be able to share more insights.
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She is 15 hh now. She is not small for an arabian but I don’t know if it would considered enough for warmblood registries. Is there a stallion out there that is known to passing on shoulder movement?
She is quite powerful from the hind, I realized that when I started riding her. So I am not too worried about that!
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My mare is 14.2.
I’ve been told that the GOV inspectors are looking for mares to be around 15.3. That certainly seemed to be the case for my Hanovarian-Arab cross I brought last summer.
She got very good marks for movement and conformation, but in overall score the inspector wrote “small” and downgraded her from MMB (which she would easily have achieved based on her scores) to MB. I was told that if I brought her back with a good sized foal at side she could be bumped up to MMB. The mare is a smidge over 15.1.
That mare is beautiful, just beautiful. Moves like a dream. I would think any WB registry except Holsteiners would give her serious consideration.
Since she’s small, how about breeding for a dressage pony?
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Since she’s small, how about breeding for a dressage pony?[/QUOTE]
Good idea but I am gonna breed her to a nice warmblood and if she has a filly I will keep her hoping she will be bigger than her mom and then have her inspected …
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My mare is 14.2.
I’ve been told that the GOV inspectors are looking for mares to be around 15.3. That certainly seemed to be the case for my Hanovarian-Arab cross I brought last summer.
She got very good marks for movement and conformation, but in overall score the inspector wrote “small” and downgraded her from MMB (which she would easily have achieved based on her scores) to MB. I was told that if I brought her back with a good sized foal at side she could be bumped up to MMB. The mare is a smidge over 15.1.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure I understood is she 14.2 or over 15.1?
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Thanks Edgewood, I agree with you, no old type warmblood, and a stallion with shoulder freedom. I will check out Sir Gregory. I am actually looking at European stallion which seem to be much more spectacular movers for some of them than what we can find here in the States. Have you tried some of those stallion thru the internet brokers like Superiorequinesires.com or Yanceyfarm.com?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have bought from both Yancey and Carol (Superior) – Furstenball, Roi du Soleil, Finest, and Follow Me. And just so you know, Sir Gregory was also imported, only in 2011 (that year I bred to him soon after import). Although he may be a bit smaller than you want with your mare being small (he’s about 16.1 to 16.2).
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I am not a breeder, but have seen a nice cross locally with Schroeder as the sire, out of a solid Polish-bred mare.
Schroeder’s owner posts on here, and may be able to share more insights.
http://www.majesticgaits.com/schroeder.htm[/QUOTE]
I know very little about Arab crosses but agree that a stallion like Schroeder might be the type you are looking for.
I have a coming 3-year-old by Schroeder. Suuuper quiet and easy-going, could actually use a little more “spice”, so might work well with the Arab brain. He is ALL legs with lots of suspension and power. Schroeder seems to throw height (based on my guy and the others I’ve seen). My Schroeder baby is the tallest of his dam’s 5 foals: the mare throws big but he is the tallest. He is 16.2 as a coming 3 year old with lots of growing still to do; I’m guessing he will top out around 17.1.
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I am not sure I understood is she 14.2 or over 15.1?[/QUOTE]
Two different mares. First mare was a purebred Arabian mare. Comment on her was “practically a pony”
Second mare was a Hanovarian-Arab cross whose dam was approved into the GOV studbooks. That mare is 15.1+ and was put in the Mare Book instead of the Main Mare Book because she wasn’t tall enough. But she was sort of borderline and had good scores overall, so the inspector said that if I brought her back with a good sized foal at side they’d bump her up to the MMB (their concern was that she might not produce large enough babies).
Although I normally breed Anglo Arabians, I did breed a purebred to the Oldenburg stallion, Qredit. I sold the mare in foal, and she had a very nice filly that went premium at her inspection. The mare was Crabbet/Polish cross of excellent bloodlines (sired by Ohadi Ben Rabba and out of an *El Paso daughter) and 15.1h. I believe her owners are breeding her back for another.
Here is the mare and her filly.
You may want to consider breeding for Anglos instead of half Arab/WBs.
The problem with the WB cross is size is somewhat unpredictable since one parent is an Arabian. With Anglos, neither parent need be a purebred Arabian. So the foals are taller, and with purpose breeding for dressage, you will get the big lofty movement. Plus, Anglos are accepted into most all WB stud books.
And don’t believe it if someone tells you Anglos in the US aren’t the same as in Europe. There are some very nice Anglos here. I just sold one to France, and two of my others are registered in France as Selle Francais. The good Anglos also are priced the same as WBs.
Here are a few of my Anglos, all 16.1h-17.2h.
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You may want to consider breeding for Anglos instead of half Arab/WBs.
The problem with the WB cross is size is somewhat unpredictable since one parent is an Arabian. With Anglos, neither parent need be a purebred Arabian. So the foals are taller, and with purpose breeding for dressage, you will get the big lofty movement. Plus, Anglos are accepted into most all WB stud books.
And don’t believe it if someone tells you Anglos in the US aren’t the same as in Europe. There are some very nice Anglos here. I just sold one to France, and two of my others are registered in France as Selle Francais. The good Anglos also are priced the same as WBs.
Here are a few of my Anglos, all 16.1h-17.2h.[/QUOTE]
Very nice filly!
Which stallions do you use for your anglos? Is there any dressage thoroughbreds?
This is a whole new world to me!
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Where is Stripes (Tamara)? Her Arab mare is approved Hanoverian, so I can say w/ certainty that AHS accepts Arabs. As for the market - the Arab Sport Horse circuit is much more active on the West Coast - so half-Arabs are more marketable here. As stated, you do need the right cross - but Arabs are a great refining breed, having been used for centuries in many other breeds, so they do tend to cross well.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for mentioning my mare. Yes, AHS will approve a very good Arabian mare. There has been 1 or 2 approved every year for the past decade.
I’ve been fairly successful with this cross, that said you really have to know your market and breed for it. I know what I like and what I want to ride so I breed for me and it seems that I’m not alone. My Hano/Arabian babies sell as babies in the same ball park as many Hano babies, between 12k - 18k.
Here are my Facebook albums of my Hanoverian HA babies.
Excepchanel (Escudo II x Caraechstrodinair ox)
http://www.facebook.com/tamara.torti.5/media_set?set=a.1096467809939.2015506.1173902979&type=3
Landinair GOA (Landkoenig x Caraechstrodinair ox)
http://www.facebook.com/tamara.torti.5/media_set?set=a.3531173596062.2139338.1173902979&type=3
And here’s the colt we bred by Arabian stallion Magic Aulrab out of Fine Tune (Hano), Polaur Express GOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaYP4ztEtw
Hope this helps your decision to breed this cross.
If someone was in the market for an arabian/warmblood cross, where would they look? I’ve checked the usual suspects (warmbloods for sale, dreamhorse, equine, googled for breeders) but didn’t find a lot.
I will say though, that the very few I did find seemed very, very reasonably priced given their records. Several had extensive show records both open and at Arabian breed shows. Warmbloods with comparable records were going for a lot more money. That appeals to me greatly, along with the smaller size. I also enjoy the responsiveness of most arabs and half-arabs that I’ve ridden and would hope to find that in a good arab/warmblood cross. I also like the ability to show at both breed and open shows. I’m guessing that these are the things that would appeal to others in the market for such a cross.
I had purchased a mare with the intention of breeding her to Donnarweiss but that is not to be (suspensory issues with mare). 
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If someone was in the market for an arabian/warmblood cross, where would they look? I’ve checked the usual suspects (warmbloods for sale, dreamhorse, equine, googled for breeders) but didn’t find a lot. [/QUOTE]
Some pop up on the usual suspects, but widen your search criteria to include everything from straight Arabian to Warmblood cross. If you like the popular stallions that are often used, also search for any foals by them; they may be listed under the a non-Arab registry. You can also try Facebook groups–there are a few specific to Arabs/half Arabs, and I know there are a few crosses on my local non-breed-specific marketplaces.
Good luck–it’s not a quick or easy search, and I know mine went in unexpected directions (decided on the custom breeding route for various reasons, then picked up a non-WB cross because he was just too good to pass by).
I have two that I have not really marketed, but plan to this summer. They are both 8 and are by prominent Hanovarian sires.
I sort of suspect that many who breed arabian/warmbloods are breeding to keep for themselves. Or, are small-time breeders who don’t have a website or large internet presence. Lots of turning over rocks needed! 
I think there just aren’t that many of us out there. I only have the two I have for sale because they were born at a time when my life went into total upheaval.
It’s all getting back on track now, which is why I’ll have the time/energy to promote them for sale this year.
We have bred a few over the years. They have all been sound, good minded horses with very nice movement and jump. We’ve kept two as broodmares and been very happy with their offspring. One was the highest scoring colt in NA for the RPSI.
We small breeders are out here. Mine sell as foals, so I rarely have to market them on the internet. I would post our farm’s webite, but I don’t think that’s allowed here. We are Golden Oak Arabians & Warmbloods in Nor Cal. We breed Hanoverian Arabian crosses suited for amateur riders. Some are registered Hanoverian & HA and the others are registered HA. If you’re on Facebook, a couple of us started the Arabian Sport Horse Alliance & the Arabian Sport Horse Alliance Marketplace, check us out. Lots of small breeders breeding some super nice WB crosses, along with PB Arabians and other sporty crosses.
