Hey, y’all - watch this!
Linda responds to our take on her “training” techniques.http://www.parellinaturalhorsetraining.com/A-statement-from-Linda-Parelli
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But if we want to play the semantics game, IMO the term Natural Horsemanship is NOT an automatic arrow toward Parelli and that Parelli did not coin the term. I know that he wrote the book Natural Horse-Man-Ship, which I have read with great amusement. But if at one time NH might have meant “Parelli”, it’s not used that way anymore by most people. The term has expanded to encompass an entire discipline of both good and bad trainers. Gee, not unlike every other horse discipline I can think of. I’m sure way back in history, somebody named dressage and eventing and team penning too.[/QUOTE]
I’m not playing semantic games. You capitalized the term. Now you’re referring to it as though it’s a discipline. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen dressage, eventing or team penning capitalized …
And you didn’t answer my question about why it’s called “natural” vs. the “other” kinds of horsemanship.
NB – no capitals.
Interesting. I was wondering when they were going to go for some damage control.
I see they “welcome comments” - anyone care to give it a try? I’m afraid they would simply delete what I have to say. 
Well, at least now we know why that horse has such a good mind to start with. He was someone’s field hunter.
I just commented! Titled “reward vs. punishment.” We’ll see.
eta: In case they delete it, here was my comment:
While the horse might be lucky to have survived your training and come out a better horse on the other end, that speaks only to the amazing and generous spirit of horses and not to your horsemanship or training techniques.
The critical piece missing from this “training” session was a desire to help the horse learn what the correct response was. At no time did you attempt to connect an established, trained response with the new cues that you were teaching. For example, if the goal of the dramatic rope slinging was to get the horse to back-up, it would make sense to give that cue, then when the horse does not respond, touch him lightly on the chest to ask him to back-up, so that he can begin to connect the new cue with what he already knows. There is not a horse on earth born knowing that a rope slinging in his face means “back-up” or “pay attention.” And at no time did you make an effort whatsoever to reward the horse when he made an effort! He was constantly guessing at what you wanted and no matter what his reaction, he was told it was incorrect.
All training is a progression and baby steps that help the horse build confidence are so much better than the constant escalation of aids with no release or reward. My trained horse who ignores a leg aid to go forward gets smacked with a whip because he knows better. A green horse who is still learning gets more benefit of the doubt because they still aren’t sure that leg = go forward.
This poor horse was doing everything possible to please you and by luck over the next few days, he figured it out. However a person of true horsemanship would have been able to accomplish this without the theatrics and hysterics and without having to thoroughly confuse and, yes, I’ll say it, abuse the horse.
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Ok I get it, so if there has simply been a link then it would be ok? Or more ok?
Interesting.[/QUOTE]
IMO it’s “fair use” in either event because the short clip was posted for the purpose of discussion and criticism. If the whole video had posted the question would be closer.
G.
So far still up…
(evul fox hunters…)
What a load of BS. Of COURSE the horse is a “rescue”. Quelle surprise.:rolleyes:
Folks - sounds like the owner is a few beers short of a six pack. There is NO way in hell any field hunter is going to have the problems described by the owner. NO field hunter is terrified of humans.
The opposite is true.
Field hunters are extraordinary animals. Bombproof. Bold. Talented. Thinkers. They are calm in the face of loud noises, sudden movement, they don’t panic, and they are very much attuned to people.
I am sick of hearing about how every acquisition of a horse is some sort of heroic “rescue”.
Sounds to me like the idiot owner got herself a pretty dandy field hunter who had a career ending injury and didn’t know how to handle him. So of course - a sad tale of abuse at the hands of the dastardly foxhunter (complete with twirly mustache) has to be created. The more drama the better.
I call a big load of BS on this one. In fact - I used to think the parelli’s were just idiots. Now I think they’re dangerous.
I’d happily post that but I doubt these idiots would leave it up.
Effing morons.
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I see they “welcome comments” - anyone care to give it a try? I’m afraid they would simply delete what I have to say.
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Amen, JSwan.
No decent hunter is an idiot, no more than any good field trial horse is an idiot. The job description itself has no room for ‘idiot’.
I totally agree with the points you made, JSwan.
My horse would have “excused himself” from that situation/type of treatment.
(If you didn’t get that, he probably would have short circuited/taken off/something along those lines…)
This is EXACTLY what I thought. Didn’t a previous poster who was allegedly friends with the owner state that this was an OTTB out of the kill pen? Which is it?
Yep it’s a ‘I haz rescud th3 horze’ case…
Does anybody buy horses anymore?
I also did not miss the part where it said he chucked the horse out in a field for two years where he was basically just fed daily, and then surprise! the horse had some attention issues when brought back into work.
I’m sure the horse’s owner is a very nice guy, but in most cases, it is people problems, not horse problems. An inexperienced owner with an out-of-work formerly active horse coming back from an injury doesn’t sound like a great combination to me.
ROFL it’s like a sick twisted version of that stupid, I’m a celebrity, get me out of here, show.
Only it’s “I’m a Field Hunter with brains and training, get me out of Parelliland!”
Well whatever they were trying to do the owner did it a lot better. At least the horse could figure out what he wanted even if he got no reward for it.
I’d like to see Linda take on the body slamming horse from the kid tromping video. Make a video of that and I’d pay tos ee it!!!
I saw that too. I’m like - well no shit, sherlock.:rolleyes:
I’m feeling a bit bitchy so I posted on the blog. I don’t usually do that sort of thing. I’m sure it will get zapped - so here it is for posterity:
[I]I most sincerely doubt this horse was abused at the hands of the evil foxhunting barn. It’s obvious that the owner knows absolutely nothing about field hunters, because no field hunter is afraid of or does not trust humans. No field hunter is flighty, panics, or is disrespectful of humans. Field hunters are valued for their boldness, their intelligence, their impeccable ground manners, and their sensibility.
But of course, a sad tale of rescue has to be created in order to explain why the new owner is incapable of handling the horse. How unfortunate that the owner, and Mrs. Parelli, feel it necessary to disparage the previous owner and the horse’s former career in order to make themselves look better. Neither the owner nor Mrs. Parelli know the first thing about field hunters or their incredible training, intelligence, and ground manners. Again, NO field hunter has poor ground manners. It’s not possible to hunt a horse with bad manners or who is afraid of humans. Simply not possible.
The video is not evidence of good horsemanship. In fact, it is evidence of extraordinarily bad horsemanship. The horse is obviously confused and upset, and Mrs. Parelli is repeatedly committing a terrible sin. She is hitting the horse in the face. NO good horseman hits horses in the face - especially one that is partially blind. And with a piece of metal, no less. If I had seen a horse handled this way at a horse show, I would have alerted show management or the stewards of horse abuse.
To assert that the horse’s previous owner abused or mistreated this animal is ridiculous. To claim that the horse is a rescue is a disservice to the thousands of animals who are starving, sent to slaughter, or beaten and tortured. To assert that hitting a horse in the face is an acceptable practice is simply unfathomable.
It appears that your followers will believe anything you tell them - but good horsemen are still around. And we know what we see in that video and know your handling of this animal was not acceptable.
I fervently hope the owner is not continuing the practice of punishing the horse in the face. If he is, I weep for this poor animal.
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Let’s review:
Horse was standoffish the day after he had his eye removed. Could be that he was adjusting … nah!
Horse was reactive/nervous when ridden after having two years off, just hanging around in the pasture. Maybe just fresh or even still adjusting … nah!
Obviously, case of abuse by those horrid foxhunters.
ETA – I just read Linda Parelli’s response. And I’ll offer her this piece of advice:
When you find yourself in a hole, the smart thing to do is stop digging.
What a stupid bitch!
Oh so NOW we know how it REALLY goes at the koolaid rainbow factory.
No excuse.
Not all horses are happy and trusting after they lose an eye.
No excuse.
I see she has a rebuttal, or explanation.
NO EXCUSE.
Trying to break this horses spirit, just like their whole program is designed to do.
HOW SAD.
I would never purchase a horse who had been parellized. I have believed that for many years. Doubt the horse would be sound in their body from all the turning in such a small circle, and their brains would be SO messed up.
I was not going to post on this thread because they always end in a trainwreck. However, when I went to the PP site and saw Linda’s statement I became irritated!
I took this quote out of her statement:
"Horses are head shy because they fear the human or because people hit them to punish them. This horse was not afraid of humans, but he didn’t believe in them either. "
Uhmmmm…didn’t you hit him MULTIPLE times in the head with the lead rope and hand??? You gave him no reason to believe in you! Maybe she needs the book “Horses For Dummies!” Horse 101 DO NOT HIT THEM IN THE FACE!
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ROFL it’s like a sick twisted version of that stupid, I’m a celebrity, get me out of here, show.
Only it’s “I’m a Field Hunter with brains and training, get me out of Parelliland!”[/QUOTE]
That would be it. I said, that poor horse is wondering what he did to get sold to this ding-dong, and promises NEVER to do it again if he can just go back to the nice fox hunting barn!
I was highly entertained by the internet drama suggesting Linda Parelli might have the power to pull down my blog, but it was merely a case of technical difficulties that I suspect the barely-literate dude who answered the phone at my web host at 7 am might have had something to do with. Anyway, all fixed now. Feel free to comment as you will!
