is this really linda parelli?

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=flea;4744384]
Wow Bluey, all I said was I wanted my mare to move her hip. I applied pressure to her hip and she moves. The more I do it the less pressure I have to apply, she figures out what I want and doesn’t require as much prompt. The responder had acted like I get increasingly more and more violent and I was trying to explain that it is a matter of increase in the prompt if I don’t get a response. You say I have no business training horses? Didn’t know it warranted a several paragraph response. I am not a professional, I train my own. With guidance from others. I have trained my show mules, donkeys, now the horses I use to event. Have had a lot of success. Now I remember why I don’t respond much here. My two cents isn’t that important and I learn by listening, not be telling others what I do. I was just trying to point out that most methods have been around a while. just repackaged. Back to listening!:)[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I think we got our messages crossed somewhere?
I was not saying what I read you understood, but can’t figure how to explain what I meant differently.

I meant that starting with cues that are way too light and ineffective is not as good as starting with the right cue for the horse at hand.
Just a comment on using first very light, then medium, then hard ALWAYS, as a technique taught sometimes in the PP system.

Sorry to have quoted you and then spoken of something else.
Good advice, maybe I ought to listen more.:o

[Graymaresrule]

@Beverley;4744166

Just watched ol’ Clinton’s show while performing my whip-self-into-foxhunting- shape workout. He was dealing with a horse with problems loading on the trailer. Which of course we all know is a leading problem, not a trailer problem. He did a good job of going through his routine while owner stood out of the way, explaining just exactly what was happening every step of the way, even injecting a bit of humor at one point when he said ‘horse, you’re making me look bad.’ Once done, he invited owner over and had her do it, step by step, answering her questions along the way, until she had the tools she needed to go on home and get it done herself.

In contrast, of course, we have the infamous video. I also caught a few minutes of LP on RFD one night last week, where she was working with a girl on a mare that had the girl’s number (however, she was at least on the horse!). LP had the girl doing some gimmicky stuff, girl said it was working for her- but little to no explanation for girl or audience as to what she was doing, or why.

In addition- for every couple of minutes of LP providing instruction, there were oh, 3-4 minutes of ‘ads’ for nothing but Parelli products. So basically, a 30 minute infomercial. In contrast, CA seems to have real sponsors- oh, yeah, you get the plug for his stuff at the end of the show, but otherwise ads for vet supplies, horse leg protection, a variety of things.

Hmmm. Come to think of it, can’t think of a single print ad for a product that says, ‘endorsed by the Parellis.’

Well, enough pondering for now, I think I’ll go ride a horse or two.

Having spent 11 weeks non weight bearing a few years back I watched a lot of RFD TV which was one of my first experiences with “natural” horsemanship in general. I found CA to be the best and the woman who trained mules the worst…PP wasn’t on at that time. I don’t like his riding, I think he teaches the horse to drop the bit but his ground work is spot on. Plus he starts out explaining what he hopes to acomplish, works through the exercises then concludes by explaining what he just did.

I’ve seen him several times at expos and he is pretty much the same in person.

A few years ago I ordered two halters however they sent me two shipments. I called his office to tell them that I would return the extra two halters if they sent UPS to pick them up. They sent me a shipping label, along with a DVD of the Road to the Horse and a book of CA’s favorite sayings. A few months later two tickets arrived for one of his nearby “Walkabout” clinics.

I was impressed.

[FancyASB]

I read this someplace, don’t remember where: The Parelli’s main audience is middle aged people afraid of their horses and/or just starting to ride. Hence if you go to their clinics look at the audience and you will see this is very true. No wonder they sell all the overpriced stuff, audience has the money to spend.

[Foxtrot_s]

G&B: if you have not seen the video you are not qualified to comment.
Often enough a Parelli thread is an excuse for a COTH pile-on, but this video is enough to make a horseperson a) furious and b) weep. PP’s are far from being the white hen - they can stand up for themselves just fine. Everyone here is justified in their comments.

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

You know, we all have bad days. They key is to learn when to say, “Too much crap today, and I will not be good for my horse.” If I find that I am getting frustrated, and impatient, I back off and rebalance, and if my mental “half halts” don’t work, then I stop. What my trainer has drummed into me: never meet resistance with resistance (reminiscent of the don’t match the energy comment posted above). I want my horse to know that when we have a work session, he comes out of it better.

I think a bona fide lesson from this video would have been Linda P admitting she Did The Wrong Thing, and that she learned from this Not To Do That Again.

And I am not charging her anything for this, nor am I putting it on a DVD to hawk.

[egontoast]

Maybe they are worried that their disciples might want their money back if now told stuff they they paid good money for and which they emulated with their own horses for years was …um…'wrong". Why did they ever put that on a training dvd I wonder? There was time after filming and before including it to put that one in a drawer and forget about it.

So. I guess they must really think it is good training.

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Oh dear… calling for backup now!

http://parellihorsemanship.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-message-from-parellis-neil-pye-3/

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=greysandbays;4744167]
I’m not much of a Parelli fan (they are a bunch of kooks), but I don’t have a lot of faith in the COTH consensus (they are a bunch of red hen’s who’ll peck a white hen to death just because she isn’t just like them) either.

On dial up, I can’t watch the video. Is there a time stamp on it so we know for a fact it has been unedited? Somebody alluded to being able to tell that it was filmed over a longer than four minute stretch – but then jumped immediately to the conclusion that what was seen in those four minutes was automatically what was going on for the duration.

If the video posted was posted by someone unauthorized to do so, it’ no great stretch of the imagination to suspect that it might have been edited to the purpose of denigrating LP. 60 Minutes (among others) has been doing that sort of thing for a long time, and with today’s technology, that tactic is within the scope of anybody with an axe to grind.[/QUOTE]On the internet you’ll come across every behaviour possible.

One I find particularly amusing is when folks say “not seen it, don’t know about it, haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about but I’ll express opinion anyways”

Sound familiar?? :winkgrin:

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=Old Mac Donald;4745091]
Oh dear… calling for backup now!

http://parellihorsemanship.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-message-from-parellis-neil-pye-3/

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.[/QUOTE] mmmmm interesting!

So that’s their attempt at damage limitation.

TELL people that what they’re seeing isn’t to be believed.

Sort of:

“Listen to what I say please, don’t watch what we do!”

Now as a trainer of horses and people I personally am not that interested in what people say. I’m more interested in watching them walk the talk and see for myself what the preferred behaviour is.

I keep meaning to ask: Does anyone know what Linda Parelli’s track record is?? I know she married a trainer but what did she actually “do”. Or has becoming a horse trainer become something you inherit by marriage or achieve by osmosis??

It says on their web site that she was a “dressage rider” but I’ve never personally been able to find any record of her achievement and so don’t know what this actually means. I’ve seen her on video riding a dressage school master but to me it looked like she was being taken for a ride on a fantastic horse rather than riding.

But did she do something in terms of competing or training dressage horses prior to becoming Mrs to a trainer?

Having also seen him riding on video and at a real clinic, I’ve got to say that he’s a decent rider and knows how to get the best out of a horse under saddle.

[ddashaq]

@Old Mac Donald;4745091

Oh dear… calling for backup now!

http://parellihorsemanship.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-message-from-parellis-neil-pye-3/

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Alagirl]

@Thomas_1;4745102

I keep meaning to ask: Does anyone know what Linda Parelli’s track record is?? I know she married a trainer but what did she actually “do”. Or has becoming a horse trainer become something you inherit by marriage or achieve by osmosis??

That file is next to George W.'s service record from the national guard…

[JSwan]

Oh for crying out loud.

That is just pathetic.

Let’s take a poll.

You are at a horse show.

You see a competitor treating their horse the same way LP is treating this one.

How many of you would contact management/show steward and complain about abuse/mistreatment of a horse on the show grounds?

I’ll go first.

You bet your sweet patootie I’d file an abuse complaint. I don’t care if Moses came down from the mountain and shot a video justifying it.

IT’S UNACCEPTABLE.

@Old Mac Donald;4745091

Oh dear… calling for backup now!

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Well, very briefly… no one knows.

Bare with some (ex) Parelli talk here.

In the “good ol’ days”, to be considered a “Level 4” graduate - most of whom were actually impressive, and generally good with horses and riding back then! (and many are no longer associated with Pat) - you had to take three NEW horses through the levels 1-3. (Now you can “pass level four” on four different horses. Borrow a circus horse, a dressage horse, a western pleasure horse and a schoolmaster lunging horse, and wahla! Level four graduate - I kid you NOT)

Anyway, back when level three meant you had to jump 3’ bareback and horse could do FLCs and rollbacks and jump single barrels at liberty, you passed level three with horse A, then had to bring horses B,C, and D to the same level of training.

I believe you also had to start a young horse and bring it up. Not completely sure if this was part of the L4 graduate requirements, but I know that colt starting was part of the L4 “program”.

Linda has taken three horses to/past “level three”. Two retired TBs from Australia, plus her current horse. She has at least three failures in the paddock - an Andy/TB mare that she couldn’t handle (but the associate trainer Karen Rolhf had performing beautifully before it “went lame”), a hano colt Sirocca who has “disappeared” into thin air (it too “went lame”), and the trak gelding Allure, whom I believe she has had since… 2004? and has achieved exactly diddly squat with (and video footage from Dec 2008 showed him to be very uneven in his gait). He’s “dangerous” apparently, and “crazy”, because his old owners - famous dressage folks I believe - bought him as a youngster and he was -gasp!!- lunged. So she doesn’t do much with him.

No colt starting. Only one current riding horse. And Mrs P is… guess what level?

Level SIX!

coughneoptismcough

I hope you survived that explanation. I would of preferred to speak normally, but there is no substitute dialog for “The Tongue of the Cult”. Alas I used to speak it well.

[pAin_t_Misbehavin]

OK, I don’t get what the last video posted is supposed to accomplish. The speaker doesn’t address any of the specifics of what happend on the Level 1 video clip. I fail to see the relevance.

[AnotherRound]

Who cares. She’s a freak of nature, and thinks if she markets herself in a certain way, she can make money off of people. Why would you concern yourself with “levels” of her program? Why would you give any credence to her “program” at all? Surely you can think of some way to interact with your horse which doesn’t give this person money or credibility?

Please.

[JollyBadger]

[QUOTE=Old Mac Donald;4745091]
Oh dear… calling for backup now!

http://parellihorsemanship.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-message-from-parellis-neil-pye-3/

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.[/QUOTE]

If Tom Cruise wasn’t giving all his time and money to Scientology, he’d fit right in with that bunch. . .sheesh. . .
:rolleyes:

Do the P’s realize that there are people who HAVE seen the video in its entirety. . .NOT ebaum’s four-minute version. . .who still think LP’s treatment of the horse is excessive and despicable?

All that video did (IMO) is to finally bring their hypocrisy into the spotlight. For once, the attention isn’t on them because Linda is flapping around on Remmer’s back while Pat jumps picnic tables.

The attention is on them because people “on the outside” saw through the smoke, mirrors, circus tricks and BS and called Linda out on it.

:eek:There may be a drop in Carrot Stick sales!:eek:

[gloriginger]

[QUOTE=Old Mac Donald;4745091]
Oh dear… calling for backup now!

http://parellihorsemanship.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-message-from-parellis-neil-pye-3/

Parelli’s Dean Of … Horsemanship (gee, that was hard to write) on The Video.[/QUOTE]

You have been…

wiggle

wiggle

clunked.

[Beverley]

Don’t know who this Neil fellow is, but it’s a pretty lame explanation. Why am I reminded of the Wizard of Oz- ‘pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!’

Unfortunately, I am pretty confident the P’s will continue to prove PT Barnum right. This little episode is not inconsistent with the years of rumors of Pat’s behind the scenes workovers of horses ‘between shows,’ so they’ll do their tricks the right way during the shows.

[sdlbredfan]

Thomas_1 asked 'Does anyone know what Linda Parelli’s track record is?? I know she married a trainer but what did she actually “do”. Or has becoming a horse trainer become something you inherit by marriage or achieve by osmosis?? '.

I think I read part of the story somewhere in an article. IIRC, Linda had a very rank horse that had her ‘buffaloed’ and she thought the horse was dangerous. I am pretty sure that horse is Remner, now used in demos. She sought Pat’s help with the horse, and as she said in the same article/interview she ‘then ran away with a cowboy’ meaning Pat. She is a decent rider, from what I saw in the video of her and Pat participating in a clinic with WAZ, however Pat rode far better than she did, doing the same things, but in Western tack. Speaking of WAZ, I hope he has started backing away from these clowns, rapidly. I think that video is number 5 in the series of videos that WAZ’s publisher sells. (sorry forgot name of that)

I attended a 3 day Parelli presentation in my area in 2004, thought it was interesting, and entertaining, but not really much useful info in training. I come from a background in what I think of as ‘the time tested standard methods of horsemanship’, although I have audited a few clinics with NH practitioners, all of whom are/were better than the Parellis.

Edited to add, my apologies if I was mistaken (or maybe not, may have read 2 different stories, LOL) on the name of the horse that Linda was having trouble with. According to a URL I added to next page further commentary, the name of the ‘dangerous’ horse was Regalo. The URL is http://www.horsechannel.com/horse-ex...a-Parelli.aspx

[Summit_Springs_Farm]

What is extremely amazing is that they re so excited about the fact they are in the limelight and they think its good!

Well I guess it is because their followers will be more righteous and those of us who actually are horseman will continue to shake our heads.

The other thing LP said “is of course the video is taken out of context,” because of course what LP was doing was right.:no::no:
What ELSE could LP say??? SHE made a mistake!:yes::yes: