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You have been…
wiggle
wiggle
clunked.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol:
I’m so stealing this.:winkgrin:
Wait - Level 3 is jumping your horse 3’ bareback with no bridle? How many Parellites have seriously injured or killed themselves at this level? That’s what I wanna know!
“I think I read part of the story somewhere in an article. IIRC, Linda had a very rank horse that had her ‘buffaloed’ and she thought the horse was dangerous. I am pretty sure that horse is Remner, now used in demos. She sought Pat’s help with the horse, and as she said in the same article/interview she ‘then ran away with a cowboy’ meaning Pat.”
The Parelli’s purchased Remmer in 1997.
Well after Linda had glommed on to the “cowboy” when he toured Australia.
apparently he was a less troubled horse before than he is now…
I guess if they really wanted to show the video was out of context why not make the whole session available …hmmm?.. instead of putting more talking heads on the net to defend this crap.
We’ve seen the video of the owner with the horse that preceded this one.
More wiggle wiggle clunk giggle (good god what excellent valuable savy horsemanship displayed there!) ) but the horse just became more agitated when LP took over- as in move out of the way and let me deal with this. FAIL.
The only edits on the video were parelli edits. You can be sure that LP would have mentioned that the video was edited by others if it was edited by others. You can also tell by the voiceover by LP that the time lapse edit you see there was a parelli edit.
I’m glad this is out there for people to see. It’s quite funny but not at all surprising that the Ps are screaming about copyright but avoiding the real issues.
speaking of video, here’s Remmer before Linda bought him…
Well, that video certainly puts the lie to the P’s claims that Remmer was rank.
Oh cool, Ghazzu, thanks for that info! That means the Parelli spin machine has been caught out in another lie (quelle surprise). Your mention of 'The Parelli’s purchased Remmer in 1997.
Well after Linda had glommed on to the “cowboy” when he toured Australia.
apparently he was a less troubled horse before than he is now…’ really is fabulous information to know!
Edited to add, not sure where I got the horse’s name (although it would not surprise me the putrid Ps have changed story a time or two), but here is a reference to the horse she had trouble with, named Regalo in this tale:
http://www.horsechannel.com/horse-experts/natural-horsemanship-advice/Pat-Linda-Parelli.aspx (“Linda signed up for Pat’s clinic right away and got immediate, positive results with Regalo, a dangerous horse who had challenged her for years. Linda began to promote Parelli clinics in Australia, and a few years later the dressage rider and the cowboy married.”)
Oh. . .I’m sure they’d make it available.
For a price.
Maybe at a discount if we joined the Savvy club.:lol:
So what strategies DO you employ when your horse has tuned you out (not saying that’s the case with the horse in the video)? My horse relaxes pretty quickly if I send him out of the lunge, but on a small-ish circle. If he gets too far away from me, he can get more nervous, like he feels abandoned out there. But everything from me needs to be calm, slow, and quiet. Good Lord if I even attempted to match his energy, I’d be huffing and puffing laying on the ground sweating, and he’d be whizzing around high as a kite! I had the experience of an NH guy who believed in matching the energy and making them WORK. He failed miserably with my horse and I had a total basketcase on my hands as a result. My sensitive horse needs to TRUST in his person. Whacking him on the face would be considered a serious injustice to him and good luck trying catch him the next day!
A nervous/distracted horse is NOT the same as a willfully disobedient one. What result would you get if you spanked your child who is crying because they’re afraid of the dark? An even more frightened and very insecure one I would think.
Ohmigosh, just found something that is a must read, if only to show that Linda obviously has forgotten her own ‘insights’. Weird how quickly she has forgotten…
Read this excerpt and notice how she does not follow her own self-aggrandizing spin on how to interact with a horse:
"Lesson Number 3: Get a grip on myself!
I had to learn how to stay mentally, emotionally, and physically calm no matter what. I had to prove to my horses that I wasn’t going to get tight, mean, or mad with them. I was finally understanding that their so-called misbehaviors were only their defense mechanisms. They only misbehaved because they were scared or confused and frustrated by my inability to understand them, and to effectively communicate what I wanted.
I also had to be able to correct them if they were disrespectful, without them thinking I was being mean. It’s an art - this learning to become a Horseman, naturally. "
The full article can be found at:
http://www.equestrianarts.org/Articles/What%20do%20You%20Mean%20My%20Horse%20is%20My%20Mirror.pdf
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So what strategies DO you employ when your horse has tuned you out[/QUOTE]
It depends. I’ve used “match the energy” and slooooooow down/calm down on the same horse, but in different situations. If my horse is just in the mood to be a stinker, I’ll match his resistance. Otherwise, he’ll just take over.
But when he’s nervous, I ask him to drop his head, get him to bend and relax while I sit on him like my butt is two 20# bags of rice (actually that last one applies to both situations – he can be a real stinker :lol: ). They’re both valid ways to get his attention. Which one works the best depends on why he’s not focusing on me.
ETA – the key is to read your horse and do your best. If what you do doesn’t work, change what you’re doing. I think that’s what was most disturbing to me about the Linda Parelli video – she expected a change from the horse, when SHE was the one who needed to change.
After doing a little research, it appears to me that the Parellis take a “cookie cutter” approach to training. There is only one “true” way and it should be applied across the board to all horses. I disagree fundamentally with this approach…at best it’s just plain lazy training…at worst, it’s damaging to a horse that doesn’t fit the mold, such as this one.
Hey, I’m all for playing with your horse, if that’s your ambition/goal. Teach it to play baseball, for all I care. But if the training approach you’re using is not working, try being a little smarter than the animal you’re working with and change tactics.
I think Linda came across incredibly stupid in this video, whether you agree with the Parelli methods or not.
[QUOTE=gloriginger;4745282]
You have been…
wiggle
wiggle
clunked.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
whew
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[QUOTE=Go Fish;4745942]
After doing a little research, it appears to me that the Parellis take a “cookie cutter” approach to training. There is only one “true” way and it should be applied across the board to all horses. I disagree fundamentally with this approach…at best it’s just plain lazy training…at worst, it’s damaging to a horse that doesn’t fit the mold, such as this one.
Hey, I’m all for playing with your horse, if that’s your ambition/goal. Teach it to play baseball, for all I care. But if the training approach you’re using is not working, try being a little smarter than the animal you’re working with and change tactics.
I think Linda came across incredibly stupid in this video, whether you agree with the Parelli methods or not.[/QUOTE]
I brokered the sale of a pony last summer. Pony was broke enough to ride in a halter, bareback, anywhere. Stood quietly for shoes, clippers, tacking, bathing, etc. Yielded ground when you walked in his stall to feed him. Easy to load, self load, back off a step up, whatever. His only thing was being a goat in the pasture if there were horses willing to put up with him being pushy, and he could be a butt to catch. Had he been just a wee bit bigger, I’d have kept him myself. He was gaited but pacey, thought it’d be fun to bring that out in him. Pretty blood bay pony.
FF 9 months.
He’s a terror, he’s smashing the owner against the stall walls, he breaks halters, he won’t stand, you can’t ride him. He’s awful and ugly and terrible and mean. His owner is a lock stock and barrell Parellite.
It makes me sad for the pony.
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Like the horse in the video, I’m not buying it!
I can’t figure out what the point of that video clip is other than to thank me for being concerned. Maybe I need some smacks to my cheeks to really grasp the message…
Maybe she should hire an animal communicator.
I can’t say I ever go for a ‘match’ or ‘escalation’ of energy, but we might only be differing on semantics. As noted, depends on whether the horses is being a PITA or is genuinely concerned/upset about something/nervous. But I would say when a horse is just bein’ a PITA I basically leap straight to ‘horse you’re gonna die’ mode, IOW, go past the ‘energy match’ to a ‘come to Jesus’ moment for the horse. Let me add that 99% of the time this is a psychological/verbal approach that is less abusive than the Infamous Four Minutes With The One- Eyed Horse.
Example- at least a year, year and a half ago- longeing my young appendix QH in the back arena- he decides to have a teen age moment and use oh, a swirling leaf in the woods, or something similar, as a reason to be a pig. I give him oh, maybe 15 seconds to get back to the reasonable world on his own, and then haul him around to a halt, growl at him to cut it out with a couple of jerks followed by wiggles (but no clunks, what was I thinkin’) so he backs up a half dozen steps, eyes get big and round, remorse ensues, voila. The Gentleman immediately resumes the polite session because in his mind, I’m otherwise going to kill him, 'cause I’m in charge.
With legimate nervousness/spookiness- intimidation is not called for. Relaxation/soothing words are typically called for, with the caveats that a) you are still providing leadership and b) while there is an EXPLANATION for less than stellar behavior, it’s still not an EXCUSE for unacceptable behavior. But, when they get brain cramps, you do whatever it takes to get them focused back on you. Sometimes, honestly, you just tie them up and let them process and ponder a while, and deflate on their own.
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Maybe she should hire an animal communicator.;)[/QUOTE]
I don’t know how many four letter words he knows, but I’m sure he could get his point across.
This is the second horse that she’s failed in an epic fashion. The first one she managed to flip over on top of her and break her hip. The mare is a fine trail horse, a little neurotic on the ground (go figure), but sensible and sane enough for any intermediate rider, all day long. All that mare needed was a new zip code. She’s FINE.
I THOUGHT that pony was lazy and congenial enough they’d work. That’s what I get for thinking.
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I don’t know how many four letter words he knows, but I’m sure he could get his point across.
This is the second horse that she’s failed in an epic fashion. The first one she managed to flip over on top of her and break her hip. The mare is a fine trail horse, a little neurotic on the ground (go figure), but sensible and sane enough for any intermediate rider, all day long. All that mare needed was a new zip code. She’s FINE.
I THOUGHT that pony was lazy and congenial enough they’d work. That’s what I get for thinking.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the pony just learned to play the games better than she can? After all, ponies are evil:yes:
yeah, erm Romeo, there’s a measure of duh factor in play here :winkgrin:
