is this really linda parelli?

[MassageLady]

I am saddened by the ‘wiggle wiggle clunk’…I have brought this to light before in conversation, only to be told that it’s not a huge clasp that is used for this–I knew i was right, i’ve seen them do it.
I’ve always felt the parelli’s were very hypocritical, and there was more to ‘meet the eye’ than what they were saying (esp with the horses they claimed were horrible before-and the O’connors relationship with them–what happened there?).
Never liked Linda-ever since her little ‘spheel’ she’d do about dressage riders and how they ride.

as far as her knowledge and dressage ‘background’ she has very little–she ‘started’ back into horses, after being away from them for several years and considered doing dressage, apparently got Remmer and ‘tried it’ with a coach-didn’t go too far–which is why there’s no show record…she didn’t show.:lol::lol:

[MassageLady]

With legimate nervousness/spookiness- intimidation is not called for. Relaxation/soothing words are typically called for, with the caveats that a) you are still providing leadership and b) while there is an EXPLANATION for less than stellar behavior, it’s still not an EXCUSE for unacceptable behavior. But, when they get brain cramps, you do whatever it takes to get them focused back on you. Sometimes, honestly, you just tie them up and let them process and ponder a while, and deflate on their own.

Beverley…once again, elegant post-and dead on! I would like to vote that you speak for us at COTH.:yes::winkgrin:
You say it all, and very eloquently.

[indygirl2560]

Gees, I couldn’t even watch a whole minute of that! It’s ridiculous! What the heck does she think she accomplishing?!?!

[mp]

[QUOTE=Beverley;4746176]
I can’t say I ever go for a ‘match’ or ‘escalation’ of energy, but we might only be differing on semantics.[/QUOTE]

I’m thinking it’s semantics. The horse I have in mind is NOT green. But he can be ummmm … reactive and cop an attitude with a capital A when he’s not feeling the love. That’s when he gets booted forward if he balks or more than a friendly tap with a whip if he kicks at my leg. Or maybe we ride 10m circles in the corner (of the arena we’ve ridden in for 6 years) where he insists the boogeyman is currently in residence. He’s not being evil, just avoiding the work because he don’t wanna.

If he is genuinely buzzed at a show or if we trailer out somewhere, the physical work might be similar, but my energy is different. Hard to explain. One is sharper with more of a “wake up and work” focus. The other is softer – “you’re OK, buddy, just follow me” focus.

[Seal_Harbor]

@mp;4746341

I’m thinking it’s semantics. The horse I have in mind is NOT green. But he can be ummmm … reactive and cop an attitude with a capital A when he’s not feeling the love. That’s when he gets booted forward if he balks or more than a friendly tap with a whip if he kicks at my leg. Or maybe we ride 10m circles in the corner (of the arena we’ve ridden in for 6 years) where he insists the boogeyman is currently in residence. He’s not being evil, just avoiding the work because he don’t wanna.

If he is genuinely buzzed at a show or if we trailer out somewhere, the physical work might be similar, but my energy is different. Hard to explain. One is sharper with more of a “wake up and work” focus. The other is softer – “you’re OK, buddy, just follow me” focus.

Yes but one has to understand horses enough to know the difference. You do. The Kool Aid people do not. The difference between horseman and PT Barnum.

[Foxtrot_s]

Is this video on all the horse forums - the fact that they are responding at all is flattering that COTH gets their recognition enought to make them respond.
Who is the fellow on the video. As usual, they send in someone else to do their damage control…apart from Linda’s video.

[Thomas_1]

According to their website Neil Pye is one of their premier instructors and the Dean of Parelli Centers and has worked for them for 12 years! :yes:

Presumably that should be impressive

Presumably it also explains his totally unbiased opinion

I suspect he might be the money making marketing bit… Here he is:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/fEAt-6yOyg4/default.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/circleofmares&usg=__aiYfJSm0StovhFEWjA6BZzoAb4M=&h=90&w=120&sz=4&hl=en&start=6&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=R1puA2rf-ce7QM:&tbnh=66&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dneil%2Bpye%2Bparelli%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R1GGGL_en-GB___GB365%26tbs%3Disch:1

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

He’s Dean? Generally the deans are those who often haven’t done well at the real stuff, so they move up the administrative ranks…no offense to any deans out there…

[Rubyfree]

[QUOTE=ASBnTX;4745772]
So what strategies DO you employ when your horse has tuned you out (not saying that’s the case with the horse in the video)? [/QUOTE]

It depends. If I’m riding, I send them to work, straight away. Something complex enough that they cannot continue to focus on whatever boogeyman has their attention. Small circles, ground poles, frequent changes of bend with lots of leg yielding, etc. Similar on the ground- stop, back, circle circle, yield to pressure, carry on.

This is assuming we are talking about a horse who is attempting to find a reason to bugger off. A genuinely frightened, nervous horse, I have no set strategy. I play what I’m dealt. Terrified of the tree over there? Let’s go look at the tree! It’s not scary! It generates treats and pats! Failing to understand what I’m asking of you and becoming verklempt about it? Let’s go back to something you DO understand, and then we will try again. If it just isn’t happening, then forget it. We’ll try again tomorrow.

I’m not a trainer by any stretch of the imagination; this is what I do, and it generally works for me- as it has worked for countless horsemen for many generations. None of them ever called it a ‘phaser phototonic intervention cocktail party’ or whatever. They just called it common horse sense.

[Kaelurus]

[QUOTE=tkhawk;4743278]
That is why I wonder about the PPs-how on earth did they become so big, when there are so many great horsemen out there? I do feel about all the beginners though.[/QUOTE]

Because the President of Parelli Natural Horsemanship, Inc. (not PP himself, but the man behind the curtain) is a marketing genius.

Still working on reading through this thread, but the videos certainly confirm my long-held distaste for everything Pepperoni

ETA: Neil Pye is not the money marketing bit. You can blame that on Mark Weiler, president PNH, inc., and (IIRC) the man credited with “discovering” PP. Mark is actually quite a nice guy (I’ve only met him on a few occasions), but I don’t believe he is a life-long horseman(may be wrong). I can’t really say I blame him for seeing a way to make a few million bucks, but I can, however, blame the PP’s for being complete asshats.

[MassageLady]

Because the President of Parelli Natural Horsemanship, Inc. (not PP himself, but the man behind the curtain) is a marketing genius.

And that would be Linda! she started marketing his video’s in australia where she lived-and where she went to her first seminar.

Linda Parelli :

Born in Singapore, Linda Parelli moved to Australia with her family when she was 12, where she was first introduced to dressage. Linda hated all the mechanical devices she was told to use in order to control her horses, but grudgingly accepted this ‘training’ as normal.AND NOW SHE CREATED THE CRADLE BRIDLE-WHICH IS ANOTHER MECHANICAL DEVICE :lol::lol:The more she observed the horse world, the more it made her heart ache.

As fate would have it, Linda was in a tack store one day, purchasing yet more ‘magical’ gadgets when her eyes wandered to a video. Her curiosity piqued as the cowboy executed perfect flying lead changes and beautiful slide stops and spins, presenting a picture of total harmony. It took a few moments for Linda to realize that this cowboy, Pat Parelli, was riding bridleless.

Linda signed up immediately for the course with Pat. In that very first clinic, she got immediate, positive results with Regalo, the dangerous horse who had challenged her for years. Linda went on to promote Parelli clinics in Australia, and a few years later the dressage rider and the cowboy were married.

Linda Parelli is one of only four people in the world to achieve a Parelli Five Star Premier rating (and she sleeps with the boss). She stars in all the Parelli tour presentations, commands a presence in the Parelli RFD television shows, and teaches courses at the Parelli Centers. Much of the Parelli written material and educational systems has come from Linda’s passion to make Pat Parelli’s teachings available to horse lovers around the world.

Linda and Pat live at the Parelli Centers in Pagosa Springs, Colorado and Ocala, F

The Australian Parelli Center is on Neil Pye’s farm in Wilton, NSW. Neil is a five star Parelli instructor who has been with Pat and Linda Parelli for many years. He is the Dean of Faculty at the Parelli International Study Centers in Colorado and Florida.
Two years ago he married Sue Shoemark, an Australian, and the first president of the Parelli organization.

[Kaelurus]

[QUOTE=MassageLady;4746551]
And that would be Linda! she started marketing his video’s in australia where she lived-and where she went to her first seminar.[/QUOTE]

LOL, based on that video, I don’t think Linda is intelligent enough to take credit for all that… :lol:

[Alagirl]

@DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho";4746483

He’s Dean? Generally the deans are those who often haven’t done well at the real stuff, so they move up the administrative ranks…no offense to any deans out there…

LOL!!

I was surprised one can actually become a Dean of something that’s like that, and not a university.

Ah, I am so naive!! :yes:

[sdlbredfan]

interesting video

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;4746477]
According to their website Neil Pye is one of their premier instructors and the Dean of Parelli Centers and has worked for them for 12 years! :yes:

Presumably that should be impressive

Presumably it also explains his totally unbiased opinion

I suspect he might be the money making marketing bit… Here he is:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/fEAt-6yOyg4/default.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/circleofmares&usg=__aiYfJSm0StovhFEWjA6BZzoAb4M=&h=90&w=120&sz=4&hl=en&start=6&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=R1puA2rf-ce7QM:&tbnh=66&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dneil%2Bpye%2Bparelli%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R1GGGL_en-GB___GB365%26tbs%3Disch:1[/QUOTE]

I am not sure if the video you intended actually displayed, but the one I saw was entitled ’ Bently & Christy Parelli Level 3 Liberty Audition ', was actually kind of cool. That woman was very low key, very subtle in her cues and the horse was completely unstressed. If one ‘must’ or feels the urge to play with a horse using a ‘carrot stick’ or similar, at least this woman seems to have a knack for it. (Maybe she ought to give Linda some lessons!)

[J-Lu]

@Old Mac Donald;4745177

Well, very briefly… no one knows.

Bare with some (ex) Parelli talk here.

In the “good ol’ days”, to be considered a “Level 4” graduate - most of whom were actually impressive, and generally good with horses and riding back then! (and many are no longer associated with Pat) - you had to take three NEW horses through the levels 1-3. (Now you can “pass level four” on four different horses. Borrow a circus horse, a dressage horse, a western pleasure horse and a schoolmaster lunging horse, and wahla! Level four graduate - I kid you NOT)

Anyway, back when level three meant you had to jump 3’ bareback and horse could do FLCs and rollbacks and jump single barrels at liberty, you passed level three with horse A, then had to bring horses B,C, and D to the same level of training.

I believe you also had to start a young horse and bring it up. Not completely sure if this was part of the L4 graduate requirements, but I know that colt starting was part of the L4 “program”.

OK, this is my understanding of the “good ole days” as well. But it was also my understanding that you advertise that your “primary professional affiliation/title” was Parelli to get certified at level 4 back then. I knew someone whose husband went through level 4 and she did, too, but could not be certified because she would not advertise herself as Parelli Certified Trainer above FEI-level dressage trainer and judge. I asked her about 5 times “wait, wait…are you serious?” SHe was serious and highly displeased (this was about 10 years ago).

[J-Lu]

@DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho";4746483

He’s Dean? Generally the deans are those who often haven’t done well at the real stuff, so they move up the administrative ranks…no offense to any deans out there…

This guy made a public statement with lots of words, alot of heart-felt-ness, that essentially said and meant nothing. It made me feel warm and fuzzy and simultaneously dizzy because of the spin content. OF COURSE he’s at the top of the administrative ranks! :winkgrin:

[Beverley]

@mp;4746341

Or maybe we ride 10m circles in the corner (of the arena we’ve ridden in for 6 years) where he insists the boogeyman is currently in residence.

Indeed, been there, done that. Application of ‘make the right thing easy and the wrong thing difficult’ or in this case, simply more work than the horse would’ve otherwise had to do. Sometimes I amuse myself by shifting to figure eights using that corner, but yeah, I do another few turns after I’ve seen the little thought balloon that says ‘uh, well, THAT didn’t work…’

[FancyASB]

My main thought with this video is the owner just standing there and letting the horse being abused. Little Miss Linda would have been flat on her rear if she ever did that to one of my horses. Many years ago I hired a “trainer” that was supposed to be very good at re-teaching a horse how to load in a trailer. I had a new ASB mare that had been beat with a whip to load ie impossible to load. He and his assistant came to the house with his trailer lead my mare to it and she set herself and he talked all nice, etc. I went in the house for a couple of minutes and when I came back out he was beating her with a whip (which he did not have when I went inside) I started yelling to him to stop and his quote “I’m going to get this damn horse in the trailer any way I can” I ran over got the lead out of his hand and the whip and started whipping him on his legs. I moved my mare between him and me and she tried to kick him. I told him to get the Hell away from my house, and he actually asked for payment. I again told him to go to Hell. He left and I never heard from him again. I did have his whip and cut it up in tiny pieces and mailed it back to him. Moral of the story no one but no one abuses one of my horses, they will have to deal with Mama Lorrie. I know, I know he could have sued me but I took pictures of my mare where he had beat her the skin was broken and I did have neighbors (one was an attorney) witness everything and my mare had to be treated by a Vet. I did send him copy of pictures and Vet bill and asked for payment, never received a dime, didn’t expect too. Little Miss Linda and this idiot I had are not trainers…

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=sdlbredfan;4746795]
I am not sure if the video you intended actually displayed, but the one I saw was entitled ’ Bently & Christy Parelli Level 3 Liberty Audition ', was actually kind of cool. That woman was very low key, very subtle in her cues and the horse was completely unstressed. If one ‘must’ or feels the urge to play with a horse using a ‘carrot stick’ or similar, at least this woman seems to have a knack for it. (Maybe she ought to give Linda some lessons!)[/QUOTE] Odd… I never even saw that the one I watched was Neil Pye “Interview with Pat Parelli Natural Horseman - Levels 1 and 2 (Part 4 of 4)”

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/circleofmares&usg=__aiYfJSm0StovhFEWjA6BZzoAb4M=&h=90&w=120&sz=4&hl=en&start=6&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=R1puA2rf-ce7QM:&tbnh=66&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dneil%2Bpye%2Bparelli%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R1GGGL_en-GB___GB365%26tbs%3Disch:1#p/a/f/2/fEAt-6yOyg4

[egontoast]

I watched a little of the liberty “audition”. It was a horse doing tricks for treats. My horse does those things as well for treats and I don’t even have a carrot stick or a set of parelli dvds.

That’s trick training which is fine but it doesn’t have much to do with NH so called.