depends on the halfbrained horseassanality I suppose.
MP, I watched it too until I couldn’t take it anymore. That cute little mare was bored stiff, sick of being bent and picked at and as a result disrespectful and a little pushy. and that banging her with a stirrup for moving…Huh? say wha?
Nevermind that big old Wade saddle was simply too long and too big anyway. She could have pointed out there’s not a lot of back there, and a lot of saddle. I wonder if you might consider a shorter saddle front to back. But it looked pricey and pretty and good with her ridiculous chaps. Sorry, I loves me some true western stuff but on a noodle that can’t ride a stick horse, it just looks stupid.
This entire segment was probably 10-12 minutes long (interspersed with promotions for the Parelli Road Show, coming to a circus tent near YOU!!!). But I could see why Parellicized horses either freak out, walk all over their owners or just ignore them altogether.
Because there was no – as in zero, cero, nada, ought, naught, squat, goose eggs, zilch-o – feel for what was going on with that horse. It was completely mechanical, with NO connection made between the rider and the horse. Parelli horsemanship is just like painting by the numbers. You need absolutely no skill. You just put this color here and this color there, and when you’re done, you have … a mess no one wants.
ETA – kat, I saw those chaps and thought, OMG take those damned things off, dear. They make you look even stupider.
PS – I loved that mare. If I’d been there, I would have chased them both off, jumped on her back and ridden her out of there. She was such a nice horse.
EXACTLY!
The gal that bought Beamer from me made a mess of him b/c she’s completed coated in Parelli. Lathered up in it. Marinating in it. And made a hellfire mess of a nice pony…the same pony who could be handled and fed by a marginally physically able woman, D…became a pony who pinned people against stall walls, broke halters, etc…who BTW… is now at a good barn with a good BO and she uses him for guided trail rides and lessons. Good for him.
I told my current student about that situation as a caveat- do NOT mess with this mare with any of the NH type stuff you see on youtube under any name, period. Pretty please. You don’t get it, you won’t get it, you just enjoy this nice trail riding mare and don’t wiggle any ropes at her -ever. This mare does everything RIGHT. He tried to argue it would be a good way to assert his dominance, etc. I told him that actually, it would be a great way to end any involvement of ME in his life with this horse, this horse I found him and he boards with me. Respect my authoritY (thanks Kenny) on this, PLEASE. You screw her up messing with her head, God love you, you are on your own. It’s THAT damaging to their psyche, done wrong. It just treats them like robotic tools.
Bang the stirrup into the horse for walking off? Where’s the fruitbat? Wouldn’t that just make the horse want to move away from you while you’re mounting? Not what you’d want, really.
I must admit, my lovely new QH did not stand to be mounted when I got him. He does now, though. When he moves at the mounting block, I just move him more. Lots more. Really rapidly. Until he wants to stop.
Took a few weeks, but now he won’t stir a step, even if he’s unbalanced, unless I move him. Which of course means I have to pay attention and make sure he’s standing square before I mount.
But really, how hard is that?
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Bang the stirrup into the horse for walking off? Where’s the fruitbat? Wouldn’t that just make the horse want to move away from you while you’re mounting? Not what you’d want, really.
I must admit, my lovely new QH did not stand to be mounted when I got him. He does now, though. When he moves at the mounting block, I just move him more. Lots more. Really rapidly. Until he wants to stop.
Took a few weeks, but now he won’t stir a step, even if he’s unbalanced, unless I move him. Which of course means I have to pay attention and make sure he’s standing square before I mount.
But really, how hard is that?[/QUOTE]
This is the problem. These idiots are doing a version of the “Really? You want to move? OK, I’ll show you moving… not that much fun is it? You’re right! Standing still is lots easier” technique.
But they aren’t doing it well. And if they can’t do it well, they certainly can’t teach someone else to do it on a DVD.
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This is the problem. These idiots are doing a version of the “Really? You want to move? OK, I’ll show you moving… not that much fun is it? You’re right! Standing still is lots easier” technique.
But they aren’t doing it well. And if they can’t do it well, they certainly can’t teach someone else to do it on a DVD.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes, a new angle is innovative, sometimes just a bad idea we should forget.
The trick is to know the difference.
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Sometimes, a new angle is innovative, sometimes just a bad idea we should forget.
The trick is to know the difference.;)[/QUOTE]
I’d make a small correction. First you must really understand the intent behind the old skool and it’s ways of application before you can use it or modify it.
I used to think these guys knew the old stuff and merely didn’t communicate it well. I thought that was egregious because the horsemen who have taught me some really counter-intuitive moves that worked could always explain what they did and why, when they stopped and what they were looking for.
Now I’m not sure sure that the PP Entourage has the through knowledge of the old-skoolers’ intent.
I’m going to have to tune into the PP Hour for some laughs. 
I’m convinced PP could ruin a “Rainbow Brite” pony after only one hour.
My 3 year old colt has been back from a trainers where he spent 30 days. This was an excellent cowboy trainer in all the good ways and he did what I asked of him with the colt. However, a “40 something” athletic male who rides colts for a living “springs” up on a colt, much like the jockey’s with walk-offs being of no concern. A “50 something” year old female owner needs the colt to stand stock still…so we’ve been working on that.
On day 2 at home I figured out my first problem. I bounce 2 or 3 times before springing up…my colt would move away from from my toe pushing him at the girth. Solved that by using a mounting block or bucket. My other horses are saints that do not protest so I’ve never considered how uncomfortable my “mounting bounces” might be to them. Now I need to change my method of mounting which will preserve my all my horses backs and withers.
And as for the walk off…that was solved by keeping the rein snug and telling him “whoa” the nanno second he moved a hoof.
Yesterday student came out and we were to work on trailer loading. His mare loaded fine to go trail ride Sat but was hesitant to load to come home.
So he asked her onto the trailer and she declined. I took over and asked and her demeanor said pretty politely, no thanks, I’d rather go back out.
So I led her off to the side of the trailer, and asked her to make some trotty small circles, calmly, purposefully, there beside the trailer. Meanwhile we talked about drive lines and making sure she’s not goofing off- it should be a good trotty worky circle, then when she’s fully attentive and puffing slightly, we’ll offer quiet time in the trailer.
So he panics that she’s going tojerk away and impale herself on the GN hitch. Yes, the trailer’s unhitched. No, this mare is not going to shift a heavy built 3H GN. No way, and no way she’s going to break free and slam-at a slow jog-into said trailer hitch.
So she loads for me and earns a rub and carrot and rest, and stands quietly. She unloads quietly, another rub and carrot. Reloads again for me calm and easy- only needs two circles after she hesitates, she thinks, no, nevermind, I’m on…quiet and easy.
I hand her to him and say here- just go let her eat grass a minute, settle well, then load her yourself for the last time. I don’t want to stress or drill this, just let her eat.
And get asked: won’t she see me as a pushover who let her eat? won’t she then resist my efforts to load her since I let her eat?
Seriously.
And you think you can get ‘it’ about how horses think and act… out of a DVD or tv show.
That’s probably the best description of Parelli I’ve heard so far.
Other than simply calling it a cult.:lol:
Someone on another horse forum (with a small population of Parellites) was asking about how to find information about what they need to demonstrate in a video that they were planning on sending to the Parelli organization, in order to “be approved” or “pass” or “move up the levels.”
The response from some of the more “advanced” Parellites was that the information was included in the Savvy Club’s online vault. . .the Savvy Club being a pay-by-the-month marketing ploy which starts at a base level of $20/month, followed by $100/month. I was too disgusted to read on and find out what the higher levels of membership cost.
So, basically, you can buy all of the DVDs and books and watch Linda’s “wiggle wiggle wiggle clunk” method and attend some demonstrations whether or not you are a member of their Savvy Club. You just don’t get the discounts.
However, the only way to actually be acknowledged by the organization is to pay out a minimum of $20/month and send in videos or pay to take your horse to an evaluation by an “official” Parelli trainer.
Gosh I missed this thread due to giving up COTH for Lent…glad it too has been resurrected.
My parellified neighbor is now eagerly awaiting delivery of her multi K pp saddle now being built for her in germany (probably by Black Forest Elves, but I digress). Once she HAS the saddle all her mare’s problems will be cured.
Did y’all know that Pat and Linda INVENTED three piece snaffle bits (two joints instead of the customary one) AND saddle pads with SHIMS in them so you can tweak the multiK saddle’s fit as the horse’s back changes??? Aint that somethin’?
My farrier commented today that there’s not a darn thing wrong with the neighbor’s horse’s back that would justify a custom saddle let alone an overpriced Black Forest Elf-made saddle. “If she’d ride the horse it wouldnt be so fat and a regular saddle would fit!”
Yeah, and in their spare time the hung the moon, the sun and the stars, too, but to look at them you have to pony up 20 dollars a month come jan 1st 2012…
(and bless that farrier…)
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Yesterday student came out and we were to work on trailer loading. His mare loaded fine to go trail ride Sat but was hesitant to load to come home.
So he asked her onto the trailer and she declined. I took over and asked and her demeanor said pretty politely, no thanks, I’d rather go back out.
So I led her off to the side of the trailer, and asked her to make some trotty small circles, calmly, purposefully, there beside the trailer. Meanwhile we talked about drive lines and making sure she’s not goofing off- it should be a good trotty worky circle, then when she’s fully attentive and puffing slightly, we’ll offer quiet time in the trailer.
So he panics that she’s going tojerk away and impale herself on the GN hitch. Yes, the trailer’s unhitched. No, this mare is not going to shift a heavy built 3H GN. No way, and no way she’s going to break free and slam-at a slow jog-into said trailer hitch.
So she loads for me and earns a rub and carrot and rest, and stands quietly. She unloads quietly, another rub and carrot. Reloads again for me calm and easy- only needs two circles after she hesitates, she thinks, no, nevermind, I’m on…quiet and easy.
I hand her to him and say here- just go let her eat grass a minute, settle well, then load her yourself for the last time. I don’t want to stress or drill this, just let her eat.
And get asked: won’t she see me as a pushover who let her eat? won’t she then resist my efforts to load her since I let her eat?
Seriously.
And you think you can get ‘it’ about how horses think and act… out of a DVD or tv show.[/QUOTE]
Why was the trailer unhitched at the trail ride? Or are you talking about two different times?
I am trying to get a feel for what you did here, I never heard of trotting a horse in circles next to the trailer, for not going in the trailer. Or next to the mounting block for not standing, either.
I am just lucky both my horses practically drag me into the trailer, and if I take one and not the other they other will stand by the gate the whole time like “why didn’t I get to go tooooo?”
It’s called teaching the horse to go forward when you ask. If horse says “no” when you ask him to go forward into the trailer, you establish “go forward” away from the trailer. Then ask him again to go forward into the trailer.
Or next to the mounting block for not standing, either.
If a horse doesn’t want to stand still (mounting block or no), horse will be allowed to move, but rider says where he moves (e.g., in a small circle) and when he gets to stop. This establishes for horse that it’s better to stand still, as previously asked. They catch on pretty quick to this one, too.
if I take one and not the other they other will stand by the gate the whole time like “why didn’t I get to go tooooo?”
also known as separation anxiety.
As MP said exactly… if you decide you, Miss Mare, no longer know how to lead, or that forward on command is optional, we calmly re-establish first gear, and try again. Repeat til first gear engages on demand, always.
He actually thought she might break away, then run away from her own herd, of which she’s the boss. She didn’t want to load b/c they were behind the trailer- where she wanted to be.
But no, any second now this BTDT mare will break free of her handler, plunge furiously away from her horses, her pals, her barn, and her feed. ummm no. If I drop dead of a heart attack…she’s going to go away from the trailer…and over to the fence.
My larger point was he just couldn’t read what was happening. Nor could he trust me in what I TOLD him in verbal words what was happening. Nope, he knew better.
Never again, I’ve learned my green bean lesson. I’m toast, mentally, trying to teach an adult non horsey beginner how to think like a horse. Hell, no wonder PP’s a millionaire. These folks just have no clue. And don’t seem to be able to get one.
anyway nevermind …I just wish there was a better way.
i don t understand this , this is not what i like to see horses have feelings too i would love to say alot but you can t on here so i can t vent
Well, as long as you use shift key and language suited for polite company, go for it!
did you all know that ‘parelli professional trainers’ make $200k a year?? Really, someone on another board is going thru the levels and going to his school to do this-and was PROMISED this much!
Can you say ‘scam’
This sums up both what’s wrong with the Parellis and why they’re so darned popular.
When I started with horses as an adult (a rather over analyzing adult at that), I wanted a nice algorithm that let me know “when horse does X, you do Y” all the time, no exceptions, and it always worked! :lol: I imagine I wasn’t all that different from many newbies coming into the horse world.
Sadly, horses don’t follow algorithms. There are rules to follow, but a lot of times there are too many variables or exceptions and timing is critical. Sometimes you make the horse move forward. Other times you just growl. Still others, you don’t do anything and let the horse figure it out.
But that’s frustrating to a newbie who wants a formula! The way to learn is to spend a lot of time with a nice, well-trained horse, not a greenie and certainly not a rogue. Learn timing and feel when the horse is tolerant and trained enough that your mistakes aren’t a big deal.
Sadly, many novices acquire horses that come with potentially dangerous issues. And here come the Parellis promising a formula of responses/actions that can fix all the problems! It sounds too good to be true. It is too good to be true! But to a newbie in love with a horse that could be dangerous, it’s a very tempting idea.
