ISO Dressage At Devon Video

[KBC]

@Lovey

Sigh. He’s posted video of his last show doing 3-1 on his Facebook fan page which he believes vindicates him as a rider and a trainer. Incredibly, the Maestro still cannot see a late change (both are late, Nick. As always.) His 10m circles are 17 m eggs, there was no extended trot, no collection and no self carriage. Thank you for proving beyond any shadow of doubt what we’ve known all along. You have no idea what you’re doing. You got the scores you deserved.

Do you have a link to the video?

[Lovey]

@KBC

Do you have a link to the video?

It’s on his fan page. https://www.facebook.com/133735253921753/posts/381101992518410/

[SonnysMom]

@KBC

Do you have a link to the video?

@KBC Try here. Quickly if pattern holds it will disappear soon.

https://www.facebook.com/nick.peronace.5/posts/1537134826317568?xts[0]=68.ARApiv0s7lljpuZHMx54GqCMXIYkAPTxAHZUp9nA6fGm_snWlPkzXzk_hPG5ny58NXpjlm74ZybgrIFG2rroYboHDFw2wRR6OsSPx_yiUhfxOivIA1WjMhjX1Jx55iCTkOelUCyEY25PS47cVc2K4KXOBYfH6yD_yW2NFs_DiAfMcq8Y5GrlERjUU1tfmrb26fEbDnX5SswxJ3zwlMPW7V7bUpM7OEnjqlRy2HlVWCAnNBncEhEzj9LXbaPtDCNlM9skaXkhlEtit3n0fRg5qXtOO9KdGERbqIhaslBP5ycL0QoZKMl3V4QEKIFRXyXxfPLBOR-nxftxMhEJr7PiD2Cynh9s0H8oUZM&tn=K-R

[KBC]

Ahhh, link doesn’t work for me, I think he hides from me!

[skydy]

@AnotherRound

I’m sure he didnt contact DAD directly looking for these. He owes them the three years of sponsorship fees for the Cevy’s Cup he used to present there which he never paid for. They finally had to refuse him from doing it any more because he never paid for the fees. It was something he used to claim was an an awarded honor to him and Chevy, but it was a self-sponsored Cup. Which he never paid for. So I doubt even he would have the guts to call them and ask them for anything, and if he did, if they would accomodate him in any way.

I believe I saw a photo of the presentation of the award at one time, with him standing there. He may want a video of it so he can convince people who don’t know any better that he actually competed at Devon, which he did not.

It’s a real shame to rip off a charity horse show. I don’t suppose it’s worth their time for DAD to go after Peronace for the money he owes…

[alibi_18]

@KBC

Ahhh, link doesn’t work for me, I think he hides from me!

There is nothing much to see anyway.

Just a rider in the wrong division perched on his saddle.

It’s not horrid, or harsh, or anything. Just blah.
No struggle, no « bad day » for the horse. Just blah.

It’s a smooth, uneventful part of a test, that could have scored in the 60’s at Training level. (If the rest of the test is similar to this tiny excerpt.)

But not at 3rd.
And since his score was in the 40’s, he sure did miss some other movements.

Ulf Wadeborn can be tough, but he is been fair and consistent in his scoring as far as I know.

[Lovey]

@alibi_18

Ulf Wadeborn can be tough, but he is been fair and consistent in his scoring as far as I know.

This test was under S judge Heidi Berry, like Ulf another seasoned and fair judge.

[LadyBug]

I really only lurk these threads, but what a saint of a horse.

[Lovey]

@LadyBug

I really only lurk these threads, but what a saint of a horse.

Truly. She was a lesson horse before him.

[Joanne]

Surprise, surprise! The video has been removed.

Hey Nick. If you are so proud of that 4th level musical freestyle, why are you so afraid to show the entire test page? You know, the page where the year is scratched out and the year of the ride is in it’s place? The judge’s name?

Nick wrote: “PNR was very good at capturing the few awful moments but they failed to capture the rest of it, therefore spinning it in favor of the hate campaign!”

Actually, Paws and Rewind captured all of the ride. Did you know they videoed the ride also? The whole enchilada. I think you do know that, right? Maybe Dressage Hub would be interested in posting it for you? :winkgrin::winkgrin:

[alibi_18]

@Lovey

This test was under S judge Heidi Berry, like Ulf another seasoned and fair judge.

Oh… I thought this video was from… 2 years ago?
When he did a 4th and 3rd level with Carpathia.
When the judge made comments on FB.

This is a « new » test with a new horse?

[Joanne]

@alibi_18

Oh… I thought this video was from… 2 years ago?
When he did a 4th and 3rd level with Carpathia.
When the judge made comments on FB.

This is a « new » test with a new horse?

Here is Nick’s show record:

http://www.dressagedetective.com/rider/nick_peronace__id_27492

[Lovey]

@alibi_18

Oh… I thought this video was from… 2 years ago?
When he did a 4th and 3rd level with Carpathia.
When the judge made comments on FB.

This is a « new » test with a new horse?

EDIT: This was indeed his first try at 3-1, under Ulf W. He got a 46.

[alibi_18]

@Joanne

Here is Nick’s show record:

http://www.dressagedetective.com/rider/nick_peronace__id_27492

Ok. He did 2 shows that year.

He tried first at 3rd and 4th level under U Wadeborn; who made the FB comment.

And this video is of Carpathia, but at his 2d show that season, under H Berry.

And it got him same results.

That’s why he thinks all judges are against him.

[Angela_Freda]

@Lovey

This was his 2nd show, a month later, where he got a 46 from Heidi for 3-1. Ulf judged him at his 1st show, at 4-1 and 3-1, where he got a 43 and a 46.

Both of those shows, all 4 of those test on Celestial Lady.

[WXWatcher]

I readily admit I never rode past 1st Level and that only in training, never showed, but I’ve scribed enough with upper level judges and developed an eye for “correct.”

I see a horse still on the forehand, circles are more oval and too large for the test being ridden. Changes late, no change in a “loose” frame in the lengthenings. He has always equated “slow” with collected and has always been focused on the horse’s head; he seems to forget there is more horse behind the shoulders.

Agree though, would have been a good training level test, a decent base to build on. Carpathia was willing and accomodating but needed a lot more proper conditioning. Physically, at the point of the vid at least, she was not physically ready at all for 2nd Level, let alone what he saw as a “good” 4th Level test.

[NorthernThorn]

The video is still up. But he deleted comments from anybody who didn’t agree with him. According to him it’s not because he can’t handle criticism, but because they were spreading lies. Yeeeeaaah, okay. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale for anyone who believes that.

[BigMama1]

@WXWatcher

I readily admit I never rode past 1st Level and that only in training, never showed, but I’ve scribed enough with upper level judges and developed an eye for “correct.”

I see a horse still on the forehand, circles are more oval and too large for the test being ridden. Changes late, no change in a “loose” frame in the lengthenings. He has always equated “slow” with collected and has always been focused on the horse’s head; he seems to forget there is more horse behind the shoulders.

Agree though, would have been a good training level test, a decent base to build on. Carpathia was willing and accomodating but needed a lot more proper conditioning. Physically, at the point of the vid at least, she was not physically ready at all for 2nd Level, let alone what he saw as a “good” 4th Level test.

Again it just shows how little he understands the sport. I will freely admit that I was once like him (in that regard anyway). I literally had no clue that one could be getting high 60s at Training and still not be ready for First. I had only shown in schooling and local Bronze level shows and thought that as long as you could ride the pattern - ie make a 15m round shape and do a leg yield, that was enough for First. It was thanks to some extremely low scores and the help of my fellow COTHers that I came to understand the importance of thrust, self carriage and appropriate uphill balance for the level. (And thanks to them and a new trainer, I finally made it to Second Level this year!)

I’m guessing that Nick assumed since his horse could (sort of) swap her leads at the canter and would willingly go sideways, it meant they were ready for Third Level. How sad that he refused to be educated by two well-respected judges and the many knowledgeable people here.

[WXWatcher]

@BigMama1

I’m guessing that Nick assumed since his horse could (sort of) swap her leads at the canter and would willingly go sideways, it meant they were ready for Third Level. How sad that he refused to be educated by two well-respected judges and the many knowledgeable people here.

He refused (and refuses) to listen and learn because as far as he is concerned, his way is the only way and no one can teach him anything.

He made a comment way back when that he would only consider (not jump at, go for no question etc) taking a lesson with a high level trainer (name escapes me now) who would fly in from Europe. He considers (at least then) US trainers unworthy to teach him anything and even then, most European trainers as well.

[Dee-Vee]

I see a rider whose position cannot properly influence the horse. It is not a Grand Prix position. First, there is too much wobble in the upper body which means he is not riding to his core probably because he doesn’t have the fitness of the required core strength to sustain and do upper levels. Which, secondly, places tightness in the hips which affect the stability of the lower leg and the ability of the horse to go through. Thirdly hands in the crotch do not provide the straight line from shoulder, reins and bit to allow for an independent elastic contact that follows the horse’s mouth, which could be referred to as “reins of silk” when you achieve it. Head too far forward puts weight on the horse such that it is harder for her to get off the forehand.

Horse is adorable

These aren’t lies. These are biomechanics. The body is what it is can’t fake it.

I am not the best rider, but I have had excellent instruction. I know that when you correct these things in yourself as a rider how well your horse responds. All said, his very body position tells me that I would never put him on my horse for fear of ruining her training or worse…ticking her off. Then someone would get hurt and it wouldn’t be the horse. ;). Perhaps a practical and pragmatic reason why people don’t use him as a trainer or for lessons. Then there is insurance