It's always nice when horses meet up with old friends

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=butlerfamilyzoo;5059248]
CatOnLap and i posted at the same time so i didnt get to read what she said before i posted. However, i just visited the OPs website and NONE of her horses look thin or emaciated or unfit for pulling the carriage [/QUOTE] I think you’ll discover that some of the pictures have been removed so the full compliment is no longer there.

Also appreciate that the owner has frequently described the horse as having “prominent spine” and that and prominent hip bones which is a score 2 was what was shown on the photos I saw.

I have no problems working an underweight horse to put on muscle (because i prefer muscle to putting on fat and then trying to convert fat to muscle),
You can’t build muscle if a horse is skinny or malnourished. You also need to know that fat doesn’t convert to muscle. So I don’t know what your experience is with malnourishment but if you’ve any then I’m somewhat perplexed at your belief because what you also can’t do is build muscle if a horse is in poor condition because of malnourishment. Malnutrition leads to atrophy of the muscles. What happens is that during the starvation process, the horse initially uses any fat and carbohydrate stores in his body to supply energy for metabolism. This is the normal process for any healthy horse: fat and carbohydrates are used for energy, exercise, brain function, circulation, etc., and are then replaced with nutrients from food. The cycle is constant and never-ending, even during sleep.

In a starved animal, once this source of fat and carbohydrate is gone, energy is derived from the breakdown of protein.

While protein is a component of every tissue, there are no inert stores of it in the body such as there are for fat and carbohydrates. The starved body cannot select which tissue protein will be metabolized for energy. As time goes by, there’s muscle wastage. Its the loss of fat and then the supporting musculature around the spine and over the pelivis that means the spine becomes prominent and the hip bones protrude. Getting weight on is simply to do with the ration of energy in to energy out. So eat more and do less as appropriate. With a horse in poor condition you start by addressing nutrition and then you commence introducing forced activity.

The Amish drive around some of the most hideous feet i’ve ever seen. If you want to pick on someone, go attack the idiots that dont give a crap like them.
I’m offended by your dismissal of a whole community of people with stereotypical bigotry and prejudice! Here that would be illegal there I presume it’s just stereotypical bigotry and prejudice.

[fivehorses]

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;5059575]

I’m offended by your dismissal of a whole community of people with stereotypical bigotry and prejudice! Here that would be illegal there I presume it’s just stereotypical bigotry and prejudice.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? I have never met a bunch of more bigoted and prejudice bunch of people as the English! I was unable to rent a flat due to my irish ancestry and was asked to leave a school as a teacher’s aide due to my last name. Well, shouldn’t say asked, when the head mistress introduced me and said and this is Miss_____, who we can ignore due to her irish ancestry.
Well, you bet I left.

Of course, having lived in England for many years, and love the country, I can say that did not mean everyone was that stupid. But, irish names did not set well regardless of the fact I was american. God forbid how they treated native irish people. Oh, but I guess we know that answer.

So, thomas, as much as you think your world is perfect, hate to burst your bubble, it isn’t.

[MistyBlue]

Of course, having lived in England for many years, and love the country, I can say that did not mean everyone was that stupid.

So it’s okay to insult all of the Amish the same way then?

[monicabee]

Nice story, I enjoyed it.

Regarding, the white marks. if you really want to cover them up, Streaks-n-tips was our wash-off spray paint in the film industry - and it was actually made to temporarily human hair, so I think it would be safe on horses - that is probably what James was referring to.

This link is to a film supply place, but most large beauty supply places have it too:

http://www.filmtools.com/streaksn.html

As for the oils, well, in Turkmenistan the horses were historically fed mutton fat and barley when on the move (yum), and I found a reference in Marco Polo’s travelogue to feeding dried smelts in North Africa (there’s your fish oil).

Personally I prefer to use BOSS - no mess, no rancidity, and if they don’t all get digested, at least they decorate the farm. I’m not expecting it to be a major diet supplement, but it does seem to work for a soft, shiny coat - for my horse, anyway (even in the light breeds, every horse is not the same - different gut flora, different metabolism, different histories). My favorite brand is “Simple-n-Cheap”!

On the rescue horses I have worked with as a volunteer, regaining muscle over the topline can be a slow process, especially for the older horses, and its best not to get over-anxious about the weight gain either… Some snap right back, though - and almost all of them come out fine in the end. If you have seen it happen over and over again, it is easier to have faith and patience.

Once they have gained the weight, work starts very slowly - ligaments and tendons take less time than muscle . That is often the key to really putting the bloom on them. Taking pictures regularly helps - sometimes you don’t see the small changes until you look at the photo and say, wow, there’s finally a horse there!

With drafts and draft crosses PPSM is a consideration, isn’t it? Not to suggest that Dixie is suffering from that, but I am thinking of a Perch I knew some years ago who was a bear to shoe because he had a very hard time holding up his hind feet for any length of time and had to be sedated. He had a mild case of shivers - it never affected his forward movement, but he was a mite slow to back out of the trailer. His owner fed him sweet feed because that is what he had always fed his TB’s. I wasn’t aware of PPSM at the time, but now I know that that diet certainly wasn’t helping him - or the farrier!

[CatOnLap]

@butlerfamilyzoo;5059248

CatOnLap and i posted at the same time so i didnt get to read what she said before i posted…
I have no problems working an underweight horse to put on muscle (because i prefer muscle to putting on fat and then trying to convert fat to muscle), not a 0-3…
Now i will agree that battling the heat can make it darn hard putting weight on, but nothing she can do about that.
… The Amish drive around some of the most hideous feet i’ve ever seen. If you want to pick on someone, go attack the idiots that dont give a crap like them. …

Oh very nice. A bigot as well.

Keep your religious stereotypes out of the discussion, Butlerfamilyzoo. Burn your crosses on your own lawn.

[fivehorses]

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5059894]
So it’s okay to insult all of the Amish the same way then? [/QUOTE]

Did I say that MB? I consider you so knowledgable;) and I am stunned you would misinterpret my point. Or maybe you too have issues with irish and catholics…been my experience New Englanders have issues with those darn irish too.:eek: Not all, but yes, some of those good WASP’s certainly do have a certain distaste for those who are not of their same type lineage.

I referred to MY personal experiences of another culture and some individuals bias and bigotry towards my ancestral roots. It certainly does not limit itself to any group…

[MistyBlue]

Nah, no bigotry there.
I’m English, Polish and Catholic. :yes:
Wanna be the butt of many jokes? Try being blonde and Polish. :lol:

[elysian_fields_farm1]

This has noting to do with the original subject of this thread!!!

@Thomas_1;5059575

I think you’ll discover that some of the pictures have been removed so the full compliment is no longer there.

Boy, it’s a real shame that my original post about a horse and an old friend being reunited by chance has turned into such a little cat fight- MEOW!

Glad someone gave me the heads up on this little statement Thomas! I had to undo the “ignore button” to see what falsehoods are being spread about my horses - behind my back as it were. If this quote above is referring to my site, then . . .

To your face- as much as someone can “face” someone over the Internet- I’m posting that your statement is a d**n LIE!!!

Absolutely NO photos have been removed from my site, and that includes the one that one of the other posters got his/her panties twisted in a wad over, too.

I am going to complain to the moderators about you people. This has just gone too far! I’m not going to post what I really think of you and your buddies because I have been told that you all delight in baiting people to get them thrown off this site. But I can promise you, that nothing good and nice comes to mind when I think about some people on COTH. And I do think you all know who you are.

[clm08]

EFF, thanks for posting the heart warming story of your rescue draft being found by her former trainer, and horse and trainer recognizing each other. I am sorry some COTH’ers love to derail any thread they possibly can, behaving righteously and condescendingly. I’ve seen these same people doing it on multiple threads over and over again. Pity the mods don’t do something about it!

[elysian_fields_farm1]

This post has noting to do with thread’s original topic

[QUOTE=CatOnLap;5059996]
Oh very nice. A bigot as well.

Keep your religious stereotypes out of the discussion, Butlerfamilyzoo. Burn your crosses on your own lawn.[/QUOTE]

Meow!!! CatOnLap-- Guess butlerfamilyzoo went a little too far in trying to defend me, the OP, from all the bashers here–so you decided to call her a bigot- way to go!!!

Why don’t all of you people just take a chill pill or go take a potty break in the litter box. :yes:

The original post was about a trainer/ driver finding one of his old horses, that he hadn’t seen since she was sold 13 years ago, by chance at the local market day.

I can see now that my mistake was in sharing some of his well-meaning and welcome advice, as well as some info on her background and training. Instead of people posting their own “reunion stories” or remarking on how the reunion between them apparently went – my thread was turned in to a “let’s bash the OP 'cause we don’t agree with how she takes care of or uses her horses” thread.

Then when someone else posts anything remotely defending me or favorable to me, the thread turns into a “let’s get you too” thread.

Hey-- If you don’t have something good to say about reunions between horses and the humans who were once in their lives-- just don’t post at all.

Quit with all the “attack posts” already.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

Thanks for being positive and on topic

[QUOTE=clm08;5060724]
EFF, thanks for posting the heart warming story of your rescue draft being found by her former trainer, and horse and trainer recognizing each other. I am sorry some COTH’ers love to derail any thread they possibly can, behaving righteously and condescendingly. I’ve seen these same people doing it on multiple threads over and over again. Pity the mods don’t do something about it![/QUOTE]

Thanks for being brave enough to post something nice and stay on topic. I hope you will not regret it, and come under attack as myself and others have.

It was just really one of those chance meetings-- James and his wife had just moved back to the area - to a town about 15 miles away, and didn’t even know the market day was going on that Saturday. They were just passing through my town on their way back home.

As they were passing through, they saw all the booths-- and Dixie and the carriage. James decided to stop because something about her looked familiar. He and his wife waited for us to return to our spot so he could check out his feeling about her.

It was really heart-warming to see that Dixie remembered James after 13 years. The way she nickered to him as he walked up to her, and then put her forehead down against his chest was really touching. Everyone who saw their reunion, saw it as a special moment they were privileged to share.

I’m really glad that I was able to witness this reunion. There were so many chance events that had to fall just right for this to have happened like it did.:yes:

[Sithly]

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5060788]
Thanks for being brave enough to post something nice and stay on topic. I hope you will not regret it, and come under attack as myself and others have.[/QUOTE]

With respect, I think you’re being a wee bit overdramatic.

The person who was “attacked” posted an inflammatory and extremely prejudiced statement about the Amish. If that statement had been directed towards you, you’d be up in arms about it. But since it wasn’t about you, and the person defended you, you were willing to let it pass. :no: For shame.

Unfortunately, when posting on a public forum there’s no way to control the content of the replies. People certainly have the right to disagree, just as you have the right to be melodramatic in your replies. However, I think it would be a far better option to leave the drama at home and simply ignore the people you don’t like.

If you don’t feel a particular poster contributes valuable information, just ignore them. It’s easy to do. If someone PMs you the content of an ignored post, simply delete it. Why would someone do that unless they were trying to stir the pot?

In short, if you TRULY don’t like the litterbox, walk away. Don’t jump right in with claws extended and then complain about the smell while you continue to scratch around.

.

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5060617]
Boy, it’s a real shame that my original post about a horse and an old friend being reunited by chance has turned into such a little cat fight- MEOW!

Glad someone gave me the heads up on this little statement Thomas! I had to undo the “ignore button” to see what falsehoods are being spread about my horses - behind my back as it were. If this quote above is referring to my site, then . . .

To your face- as much as someone can “face” someone over the Internet- I’m posting that your statement is a d**n LIE!!!

Absolutely NO photos have been removed from my site, and that includes the one that one of the other posters got his/her panties twisted in a wad over, too.

I am going to complain to the moderators about you people. This has just gone too far! I’m not going to post what I really think of you and your buddies because I have been told that you all delight in baiting people to get them thrown off this site. But I can promise you, that nothing good and nice comes to mind when I think about some people on COTH. And I do think you all know who you are.[/QUOTE] It may well be that the poster and I just couldn’t find it now.

End of the day though you told us yourself the horse was thin and you were having to get advice and feed to address this issue.

Every post you’ve done about this particular horse has described it’s backbone as prominent and you started off this thread by telling us how you the person you met gave you advice on feeding you said “He also told me it would be hard and expensive to get her back in really good flesh-- especially to fill out the hollow along her spine”

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5060772]Meow!!! CatOnLap-- Guess butlerfamilyzoo went a little too far in trying to defend me, the OP, from all the bashers here–so you decided to call her a bigot- way to go!!!

Why don’t all of you people just take a chill pill or go take a potty break in the litter box. :yes:

The original post was about a trainer/ driver finding one of his old horses, that he hadn’t seen since she was sold 13 years ago, by chance at the local market day.

I can see now that my mistake was in sharing some of his well-meaning and welcome advice, as well as some info on her background and training. Instead of people posting their own “reunion stories” or remarking on how the reunion between them apparently went – my thread was turned in to a “let’s bash the OP 'cause we don’t agree with how she takes care of or uses her horses” thread.

Then when someone else posts anything remotely defending me or favorable to me, the thread turns into a “let’s get you too” thread.

Hey-- If you don’t have something good to say about reunions between horses and the humans who were once in their lives-- just don’t post at all.

Quit with all the “attack posts” already. [/QUOTE] I think you’ll find that the word Bigot was used because of the disgusting religious prejudicial stereotypes being bandied about.

We’ve got blatent statements about “The Amish” driving about abusing their horses and The English all hating the Irish!

Both of those statements are bigoted discriminatory stereotypes.

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5060788]Thanks for being brave enough to post something nice and stay on topic. I hope you will not regret it, and come under attack as myself and others have.[/QUOTE] Don’t be such a drama queen!

The postings here have been contained to the topic in hand and as the post developed have been about the developing subject matter.

Your intent may well indeed have been just to tell us about the chance meeting and coincidence.

But YOU also said in YOUR VERY first opening post that this chance meeting led to you getting “lots of tips on feeding and harnessing and a farrier”

By YOUR second posting on YOUR thread YOU’D turned it into a load of stuff about feeding your horse to try to resolve the problem of muscle atrophy and prominent backbone.

The responses you’ve received have centered around the topics YOU introduced aside from a slight detour for some religious and cultural and national bigotry and stereotype by a couple of folks.

Trust me, if I see bigotry and prejudice and stereotype and direct or indirect discrimination, then I’ll continue to call it out for what it is. DISGUSTING!

[goeslikestink]

i am new to this topic
but curious so i looked and i like to give the benifit of doubt

but proof is in the pudding
old site http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=22&ved=0CBwQFjABOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Felysian-fields-farm.net%2FRecent-Events.html&ei=qjN6TNO6A4_KjAe7uYmeBg&usg=AFQjCNFeW_iUOByfj4_3ZRg5QB6roCespg&sig2=M-2Ev2sDkf1WGI7PmxaiBA

new updated site

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CDsQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elysianfieldsfarm.piczo.com%2F&ei=dzV6TK2mLNO6jAe2rMiXBg&usg=AFQjCNEji1ncnhgzBliEys43b0Akfr9MXQ&sig2=6M7El079H2VmQUwYwrZyGQ

[Thomas_1]

GLS I don’t think the link you posted for the “new updated” is her site at all.

I believe it’s entirely another place just with the same name.

However the first link is and the dark bay horse with the white carriage bottom left for sure has ribs and back bone on display.

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;5060940]
GLS I don’t think the link you posted for the new updated is her site at all.

I believe it’s another place with the same name.

However the first link is and the dark bay horse with the white carriage bottom left for sure has ribs and back bone on display.[/QUOTE]

deleted sorry had something else on my mind so deletd the other link

but as this is dixie with white carriage thought it was relevent

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Felysian-fields-farm.net%2FRecent-Events.html&ei=bTl6TO3zI9W6jAf_yPWXBg&usg=AFQjCNFeW_iUOByfj4_3ZRg5QB6roCespg&sig2=-XrbEvaGyosJwDO4pnN1Jg

bit unfair in my book to make a horse work like that in that condition
but thats my personal opnion

[elysian_fields_farm1]

[QUOTE=Sithly;5060820]
With respect, I think you’re being a wee bit overdramatic.

In short, if you TRULY don’t like the litterbox, walk away. Don’t jump right in with claws extended and then complain about the smell while you continue to scratch around.

.[/QUOTE]

THIS site is not SUPPOSED to be a litter box-- There is a site allegedly, I’ve been told, called the Litter Box where some of the same people who pride themselves of their inflamatory posts here go to brag how they bully and upset people here on purpose to try to get them kicked off. THAT was what the the litter box allusion.

But maybe you knew that already—??? – Maybe you are part of this alleged group???

[Moderator_1]

Let’s all please tone it down. First, please avoid adding further dramatics to this thread by introducing discussion about various cultural stereotypes, etc.

It’s fine to discuss different feeding and care strategies with the OP, while appreciating the story of her horse’s reunion with her previous partner, but please keep things productive and geared toward helping each other and the horses under our care.

Thanks,
Mod 1

[fivehorses]

Moderator, with all due respect, I do hope you monitor this thread for the defaming character assinations that seem to continue from a few select individuals. I also would appreciate you editing those posts that continually call into question the health and welfare of EFF horses.

By allowing these type of attacks to continue, it seems that COTH is condoning this behavior(bullying).

It is apparent to some COTH’ers that there is a select group of individuals who are allowed to bully people off these boards. I certainly do not think the publisher would condone or appreciate that this is happening on a forum that is meant to help horse people to communicate and educate.

I appreciate your post asking for peace, and hopefully continued monitoring of individuals who seem to incite issues, as well as bully/defame a targeted poster. I have seen posts in other threads where inflamatory remarks were edited, yet it seems that some posters are granted higher tolerance than others and allowed to post at will, regardless of their inflamatory statements.

It isn’t easy being a moderator, and I do appreciate all that you do. But, I also think that I will be a pesty poster pm’img you in the future of posts that are destructive or have a tone of libel. It only brings down the esteem of The Chronicle of The Horse to have these kinds of posts not addressed. It hasn’t been too difficult to figure out who is in this ‘group’ that seem to have a gang mentality and will be ever watchful of any personal attacks they wage. I am sure you would also appreciate the help in eliminating this behavior as well. thank you.

[grayarabpony]

Fivehorses… Great post.