It's always nice when horses meet up with old friends

[fivehorses]

Here we go again…

Granted I wear reading glasses, BUT, I fail to see this terribly skinny horse some folks refer to. BBD, mind to share what you see, or post/link it.

By the way, are your 4 fingers pointing back at you? Do you think this has been brought up enough times, or are you not reading and understanding as dear Thomas likes to point out to me if I don’t agree with him. Maybe you have the same problem, you don’t know how to read thru the thread, or just like to stir the pot.

Go back to your cave. Alter.

[fivehorses]

Here we go again…
I would be willing to take bets that bigblackdraft is an alter…probably someone who has posted before on this thread. Hmmmm, like stirring the pot, kind of odd for a newbie to this board to be so critical. Plus, in your short time being a member of this board, do you really feel you have the history and knowledge to post about the qualifications of someone you feel is expert and knowledgable in horse care? So, so fishy.

Oh, and before you get into defaming EFF character once again, did you not notice the mods giving a warning. Or are you above it? I must not see the same pictures that you have privledge to see.

Once again, COTH if it allows this kind of defaming post to stand, will be complicit in any defamation suit.
Enough is enough.

Mods, please deal with this gang bullying and defaming remarks by either;
deleting those statements in the post that are defaming someone’s character,
or delete the entire post,
and taking action with a warning to those individuals who seem to ignore the rules.
thank you.

[2WBs1TB]

@fivehorses;5062612

Here we go again…
I would be willing to take bets that bigblackdraft is an alter…probably someone who has posted before on this thread. Hmmmm, like stirring the pot, kind of odd for a newbie to this board to be so critical. Plus, in your short time being a member of this board, do you really feel you have the history and knowledge to post about the qualifications of someone you feel is expert and knowledgable in horse care? So, so fishy.

Hello Pot, this is Kettle. Just because someone is a relative newbie on COTH doesn’t mean they’re not knowledgeable. And reading for comprehension isn’t terribly difficult. You should try it sometime. BBD wrote her post based on what EFF has posted. And her assessment is spot-on.

Oh, and before you get into defaming EFF character once again, did you not notice the mods giving a warning. Or are you above it? I must not see the same pictures that you have privledge to see.

Once again, COTH if it allows this kind of defaming post to stand, will be complicit in any defamation suit.
Enough is enough.

Perhaps before threatening people, you should do a little research on a former poster named Cellos Pride. See what her threats of lawsuits got her. :lol:

Mods, please deal with this gang bullying and defaming remarks by either;
deleting those statements in the post that are defaming someone’s character,
or delete the entire post,
and taking action with a warning to those individuals who seem to ignore the rules.
thank you.

Just because you don’t agree with what someone says, doesn’t mean they’re defaming you or bullying you. Try growint a thicker skin or using the “ignore” function. :yes:

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[JSwan]

@Cielo Azure;5062092

Right now, horses are getting a mixture of alfalfa pellets, soaked beet pulp and either senior pellets or Strategy-- depending on which horse it is- mixed one third of each. That is what is being feed as 1.5% of their body weight-- fed out in 3 or 4 portions during the day-- not all at once.

Not grain -she did not write grain.

Senior pellets and Strategy is grain. Just not whole grains. Most senior feeds contain molasses. Commercial feeds are grain based.

None of it should be fed to a draft or draft cross in significant amounts; even one in full work.

Her horses are not in full work - though they appear to have significant issues and most certainly need the attention of an equine nutritionist who specializes in this type of horse.

I’m not bashing the OP - I’m expressing concern. The welfare of the horse is always my primary concern, not gushing about butterflies and rainbows or participating in group hug sessions.

I have seen plenty of horses that look like death warmed over, being forced to work on the roads, in the fields or ring.

Their owners blind or oblivious to the horse’s condition.

It’s unacceptable. Always.

I have been feeding the drafts 1.5% of their body weight daily in feed alone, with grazing and free choice hay being “extra” instead of having the total of feed and hay/ grazing equal 1.5% of their body weight. Because I have time and am able, I feed three meals a day plus free choice hay or managed garzing.

That’s approx 20lbs of concentrated feed; mostly grain based. If the horses are not morbidly obese and on the verge of foundering, then there is something else very wrong with them if they are thin. The OP lives in the southeastern US; not the arid terrain of the west. There is ample grazing year 'round.

The EPSM diet is a wonderful thing; but it does require the owner to be pretty darn educated on equine nutrition; especially with a horse that is aged or infirm. And in no case that I’m aware of, would a draft horse get 20lbs of concentrate a day.

Anyway - best of luck to the OP and her much loved horses.

[Bigblackdraft]

[QUOTE=fivehorses;5062612]
Here we go again…
I would be willing to take bets that bigblackdraft is an alter…probably someone who has posted before on this thread. Hmmmm, like stirring the pot, kind of odd for a newbie to this board to be so critical. Plus, in your short time being a member of this board, do you really feel you have the history and knowledge to post about the qualifications of someone you feel is expert and knowledgable in horse care? So, so fishy.

Oh, and before you get into defaming EFF character once again, did you not notice the mods giving a warning. Or are you above it? I must not see the same pictures that you have privledge to see.

Once again, COTH if it allows this kind of defaming post to stand, will be complicit in any defamation suit.
Enough is enough.

Mods, please deal with this gang bullying and defaming remarks by either;
deleting those statements in the post that are defaming someone’s character,
or delete the entire post,
and taking action with a warning to those individuals who seem to ignore the rules.
thank you.[/QUOTE]

Fivehorses:

Thomas1 has this address on his profile. I clicked on it, and it has his real name. I googled his name and read a bit of his background. I’ve also followed a lot of his posts here on the chronicle too. Last I checked, I was allowed to have an opinion, and in my opinion, Thomas1 is the real deal.

http://www.floddenedgefarmequestriancentre.com/90275/info.php?p=1

I posted back on this thread on #23, maybe another time on it, but not sure what you mean about posting under another name.

Elysian Fields joined on 1/22/10. I joined on 1/24/10. I haven’t seen you accuse her of not being knowledgeable or having a long enough history on this board to have an opinion about anyone or anything. I don’t think time on this board has anything to do with it. Just because I don’t post every day doesn’t mean I don’t read the forums. And if you think I can’t be critical because I’m a “newbie” here, then I think you are operating under different assumptions than I.

The pictures are on the website, along with the description, from Elysian Fields. Here’s the link. I followed it from this thread. http://elysian-fields-farm.net/Recent-Events.html

I’m not defaming anyone. I added my opinion. I really don’t think I violated anyone. If the Moderators think differently, I’m sure they will notify me.

Anyway, I truly hope Elysian Fields gets her horses in shape to handle what she wants to do with them.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

[QUOTE=Daisydonk;5062318]
My story is of an old hunter I had, many, many years ago. I believed him to be in his late teens and he had passed hands in a game of poker before coming to me. The field he and his companions were grazing was to be used for a local fete and the police arrived at the same time that I did to catch the horses. One helpful policeman held the hunter who was the first caught whilst I got the other two. . . .

That horse taught me so many lessons about horses at a very impressionable age (12-17yrs), I have had many horses since, younger, fitter, more able, but he is the one that I owe my biggest debt to.[/QUOTE]

What a really wonderful story!! That horse really made an impression not only on the policeman, but on you as well. I bet he also in the memories of lots of other occasional riders as well.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

Acceptable feeds listed in Draft Care Book

Brand names of commercial feeds listed in the Resources section of Draft Horses: An Owner’s Manual. page 186

"Low soluble carbohydrate commercial feeds:
Blue Seal Demand, Blue Seal Hunter, Blue Seal Racer, Nutrina Complete, Purina Equine Senior, Purina Hi Fat Hi Fiber (Canada), Purina Strategy, Southern States Legends, Triple Crown Senior. (Available, unavailable)

High Fat Commercial Feeds:
Buckeye Ultimate Finish" (Available, unavailable)

"Recipe for a healthy draft horse (taken from same book–pg 30)

6 to 9 pounds of alfalfa or alfalfa/ grass hay pellets
3 to 4 cups soy, canola, corn or other vegetable-based oil)
1-2 oz. vitamin E and selenium supplement
15-20 lbs of alfalfa hay or good pasture
Free Choice water
Trace mineralized salt block"

Under alternative strategies for fussy draft or horse with poor appetite (same book, pg 31)

“1. Substitute a low soluble carbohydrate commercial feed. Some suitable substitutes for all or part of the hay pellets are listed under resources at the back of the book.” (See above list of commercial feeds)

In this same book beet pulp is mentioned as an acceptable low soluble carbohydrate feed, but the author writes she does not use it herself. She does write: “It provides roughage and calories similar to alfalfa hay.”

Now the diet and feeding regimen above is the opinion of the author of THIS book-- there are other suggestions in books by other authors-- and then there is always one’s own vets’ recommendations.

Except for substituting some “approved” low soluble carbohydrate commercial feed, and some soaked beet pulp for some of the alfalfa pellets and substituting grass hay and grazing for the alfalfa hay --because too often the alfalfa hay bales available here were moldy in the middle— this is pretty darn close to what my horses are eating-- with oil being slowly increased for the drafts only after their portion is weighed out into buckets.

Now-- let’s have some more reunion stories like the one Daisydonk shared.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

Thanks- nice try

[QUOTE=fivehorses;5062612]
Here we go again…
I would be willing to take bets that bigblackdraft is an alter…probably someone who has posted before on this thread. Hmmmm, like stirring the pot, kind of odd for a newbie to this board to be so critical. Plus, in your short time being a member of this board, do you really feel you have the history and knowledge to post about the qualifications of someone you feel is expert and knowledgable in horse care? So, so fishy.

Oh, and before you get into defaming EFF character once again, did you not notice the mods giving a warning. Or are you above it? I must not see the same pictures that you have privledge to see.

Once again, COTH if it allows this kind of defaming post to stand, will be complicit in any defamation suit.
Enough is enough.

Mods, please deal with this gang bullying and defaming remarks by either;
deleting those statements in the post that are defaming someone’s character,
or delete the entire post,
and taking action with a warning to those individuals who seem to ignore the rules.
thank you.[/QUOTE]

fivehorses- Thanks and nice try-

[elysian_fields_farm1]

[QUOTE=Bigblackdraft;5062541]
Well, after looking at the picture of Daisy, pulling after being at Elysian Fields for 6 weeks, just… boooooo

Good luck with those drafts.[/QUOTE]

DIXIE not Daisy- At least I can get her name right, but thanks for the good luck wish, if that is what it really was - hard to tell because of the rest of the post. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

And again, my vet had cleared Dixie for this level work at the time this photo was taken She doesn’t pull the carriage every day-- only once a month for two hours-- and not two solid hours–most of the time she just stands in the shade eating hay.

This particular photo was taken as she was stepping off from a full stop, which is when she would be exerting herself the most-- I would point out that there is a photo in an ad on this site that has a horse whose ribs are clearly showing as it exerts itself – never saw any posts complaining about that picture.

Dixie is hitched to a fore cart or hand driven for exercise-- without farm implements attached- Lou does that work. And Barney does no work at all except ground driving with bridle and surcingle- not full harness.

Do you have a reunion story to share?

[elysian_fields_farm1]

[QUOTE=butlerfamilyzoo;5062412]
Sorry i’ve been traveling and just now getting back to this thread. I do not wish to derail it further, but i will apologize for my “Amish” statement if it offended anyone.

If you would like me to be more specific. I grew up near Arthur IL and have owned many an Amish trained horse over the years. I’ve been to their auctions, played with their kids, and my mothers midwife was Amish. All of our milk and eggs came from them. So, i wont stereotype all Amish in the country, but i will say there are some REALLY bad abusive situations around the Arthur area, from what i’ve seen them do at home, what i’ve seen them drive on the streets, what i’ve seen them do at auctions with horses that arent even theirs… So i stand by my statement that there are far worse horse owners than the OP to attack. And yes, i’ll admit not ALL amish in Arthur were bad horse owners, but many out in the public were and seemed to relish in showing it. On another thread i posted a pic of a mini at an amish ran auction, no more than 28" tall, pulling a cart loaded with amish kids, as well as a kid sitting on the pony, pony was only 3, in good weight, but longer feet than i thought he should have, these kids were from a sect in Indiana. To me, that was abuse on that little pony, but it was done with every little pony brought in there.

I would also like to say that all of you would roll over and cry foul at what i am seeing here in Puerto Rico. Horses live in rural neighborhoods with yards no larger than 20x20ft, they do not get hay, nope… They are let LOOSE on the city streets and highways at night to graze off the sides of the road! I have not seen a mildly fat horse, or even one in good weight yet. Went on a carriage drive in Old San Juan yesterday, mostly because the kid seemed to really love his horse, Amy and i felt he might need some extra money to care for her. WOW, then i felt terrible where Amy had to take us! It was nothing but uphill 3/4s of the trip on old cobblestone roads (with a big 6 seater vis-a-vis) and then one long downhill back with practically stopped traffic that Amy had to keep us from sliding into the van we were behind. Amy was a light horse, i would say a TB cross possibly? No bigger than 15h. She pulled that carriage, 4 adults and a child up 45 degree cobblestone roads, not even something those wheels would roll over easily. The cobblestone dating back to the early 1800s, so it’s not like it was smooth! But when Amy got back, she got a 5g bucket of fresh water, a treat, and some love from her driver as well as us. I thought, wow, what a great guy, he’s doing the BEST for this horse with the money that he earns, that he said a large portion goes to the company he works for that reserves the spot they park at and pays the insurance and license fees to the city. Amy only gets to graze at night out off the streets after she drives home several miles… Let me also add that it was 97 degrees out with 88% humidity and this was 3pm. This may be a US territory, but US hack work laws dont seem to apply here of only working a horse a few hours, over a certain temp not at all, etc…

But just like in the “old” days (this being as early as 50yrs ago) horses have to work for a living here (as many still do in all countries). They may be well loved, but this is still a very poor country in areas and they sure are not in the best of conditions, but they still do their job and seem to enjoy their water and cookies at the end of a trip, with a nice shade tree to park under off the ocean which at least offers some cool breeze. People need to realize that horses have not always been pampered pets. Some have to earn their keep, and still do, no matter what body condition they are in. Many of those are still VERY well loved and their owners are doing the best for them that they can as the OP seems to be doing.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the post butlerfamilyzoo-- I have never been to Puerto Rico, and didn’t know how poor people are there-- I have only seen the photos in travel brochures, etc. I thought since it is a US territory that there would be govenment services available to its needy residents as there are here in the US. Were you there on a vacation?

As for your story about the kid and his horse Amy, how sad that he and his horse are at the “mercy” of a company that takes most of what they make, and that there are no rules for when it is too hot for rides. I’m sure he works his horse like that because he has to in order to make enough fo afford to feed her and have money for himself to live. The situation sounds like something right out of Charles Dickens or Anna Sewell. But that is the situation in most of the world.

I check the temp with my phone on Market Day, and don’t give rides when the temp goes over 90 and the humidity is over 80%. I do let people pet Dixie or sit in the carriage, though. Lots of people just want to let their children have a chance to “pet the Horse.” This gives me a chance to explain the correct way to approach and touch a horse. I have really been surprised at the number of people- adults and children who have never had the chance to touch a horse before.

[Calico]

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5061795]
I have figured that 1.5% of 16,00lbs. is 1 lb.6 ozs plus.8 ozs to equal 30 ozs or 1 lb. 14 ozs and I round it off at 2 lbs.[/QUOTE]

I assume you mean 1,600 lbs, so 1.5% of 1600 = 24

they feed one half of a 3 lb. coffee can of feed a day- that would be 1.5 lbs per day of grain feed.

A 3# coffee can is meaningless for anything other than coffee. I hope you realize that a coffee can full of feed (or air, or skittles, mmmm skittles) is not going to weigh 3#, like it would if it was full of coffee.

It might be helpful to submit your feed plan to an equine nutritionist. Nothing against your vet, but like human medicine, specialists can be most helpful. Your vet sounds great, and I’ll bet she’d help set up a nutrition consult for you.

[chaltagor]

@elysian*fields*farm;5061795

Since Dixie weighs 1,600lbs., she gets 2 lbs approx. of that mixture with 1 cup oil total per day, but this is divided into three or four feedings. She can eat as much of the grass hay as she likes. She gets at least 2 hours every day on grass- but sometimes she gets longer. I have figured that 1.5% of 16,00lbs. is 1 lb.6 ozs plus.8 ozs to equal 30 ozs or 1 lb. 14 ozs and I round it off at 2 lbs. I am not a math whiz so I could be figuring this wrong. Am I doing the math wrong?

Wait a minute. You think 1.5% of 1600lbs is 1.6lbs of feed?

[butlerfamilyzoo]

EFF- my husband is down here working for a coupe months and my son and I flew down to visit for 10 days. I really had a different picture in my head of what it would be like here myself. It is a much poorer country than i thought. Those that have money are usually foreigners that decided to live here for retirement. Most of the common housing isnt fit for my dog. But it’s a different set of priorities here. Family comes first. They dont care how they live so long as the family is provided for (has has lots of shoes with really big heels! LOL)

Cars are relatively “new” here, transportation was mostly done by horse up until 30yrs ago and you have a LOT that still only do things by horse back. There may be all the common stores you have in the US, but dont be surprised to find a horse standing grazing outside the store on a 2’ strip of grass while the owner shops. They dont tie them, it blow my mind, they arent hobbled, nothing. Course, i guess the horses might be so hungry to not wonder far. My spoiled horses would be like “see ya, we’re going sightseeing!” I do know there are nice farms here, i just havent found them yet, a rather large racing scene that i havent seen any of, i have only seen the private horses (a large majority being pasos) and the few carriage horses in Old San Juan. It is nothing to see a party of people riding their pasos drunk down the street around midnight… It’s quite humorous. The people here drive their cars like such idiots, i’m amazed these horses dont get hit all the time. Maybe they do, but my husband hasnt seen any accidents like that in the newspaper, so i dont know.

I’ve discovered that though this is a US territory and has US rules, they are more like guidelines to be ignored and pretty much anything goes. You may not see this in the resort areas along the northern part of the island, but i’m staying on the south side, so i get to see a little more of the normal culture. Very interesting! I do not think there is such a thing as land zoning, i swear you can find horses in garages in major metropolitan areas if they dont have a patch of back yard to keep them on. Most that i’ve seen riding here in Ponce do not have saddles, they go everywhere bareback. My first thought being these men must have balls of steel to ride those thin backbones! Even if it is a Paso and a smoother ride, i think i would be crying!

Very interesting to seek out the horse culture on world travels and see how much different it differs from the US’s train of thought that horses are pampered pets and hobbies, not something for transportation or means of income.

I wouldnt be surprised if the horses were brought into their living rooms to stay safe during hurricanes, it does make me wonder with hurricane Earl brushing by today.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

Hope you stay safe in PR and Earl doesn’t land there

[QUOTE=butlerfamilyzoo;5063348]
EFF- my husband is down here working for a coupe months and my son and I flew down to visit for 10 days. . . . .

I wouldnt be surprised if the horses were brought into their living rooms to stay safe during hurricanes, it does make me wonder with hurricane Earl brushing by today.[/QUOTE]

Hope it is only a brush by you get from Earl. With yesterday being the 5th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina hitting us, storms are on all our minds. And there is a second one formed now- with a third organizing off the west coast of Africa.

When Katrina hit, raods were pretty much impassable for about four days tree-- stores were all closed for five days.
Lights were out for seven days. Gustave was almost just as bad up here. We had no flooding- jsut lots of trees down and infrastructure damage.

I am headed to the feed store this afternoon to stock up just in case. I try to keep three weeks worth of feed on hand during hurricane season. Other times, I just buy each week hoping to keep everything as fresh as possible.

Really interesting to learn about how horses are still very common down there-- they are probably much cheaper than saddles that is why most people are riding bareback?

[CatOnLap]

[QUOTE=chaltagor;5063340]
Wait a minute. You think 1.5% of 1600lbs is 1.6lbs of feed?[/QUOTE]
well, that explains a LOT!

@EFF

Since Dixie weighs 1,600lbs., she gets 2 lbs approx. of that mixture with 1 cup oil total per day, but this is divided into three or four feedings. She can eat as much of the grass hay as she likes. She gets at least 2 hours every day on grass- but sometimes she gets longer. I have figured that 1.5% of 16,00lbs. is 1 lb.6 ozs plus.8 ozs to equal 30 ozs or 1 lb. 14 ozs and I round it off at 2 lbs. I am not a math whiz so I could be figuring this wrong. Am I doing the math wrong?

Yes. Buy a calculator, consult an equine nutritionist and start feeding your horses properly.

[elysian_fields_farm1]

RE: Feed

Please see post entitled “Acceptable feeds listed in draft care book”. It has the kinds of feeds and weights. My vet sid she used this and some journal articles to work out a draft horse diet for the drafts.

Sorry–I was trying to do the math late at night based on the formula my vet emailed me several months ago, but I didn’t have a calculator and messed up on the math–

I’m not good at math-- that’s why there is a feeding chart with weights already worked out for me by my vet in my feed shed on the wall. I just didn’t feel like going outside to get it.

As for the coffee can-- I don’t use that method-- but lots of people around here do. I know that because I have heard them talking at the feed store about how any coffee cans of this or that feed they give their horse or horses each day–and comparing notes with each other.

I did say that more than 20 years ago, we fed by volume as did most people – we used buckets with gallons and half gallons marked on them, and scoops-- not coffee cans. I don’t drink coffee- so I don’t even have a coffee can around to use.

Have any good horse reunion stories you would like to post? They don’t have to be about draft horses.

[goeslikestink]

depends on the scoop used a big round double scoop depending of type of feed
can hold if cubes 2 3/4lbs if mix 3- 3 1/2 - 3 3 1/4lbs

rather than guess as your so far out you should buy a weight tape
you measure the lenght of the horse from chest to tail
then from wither to heart -to you its just behind the elbow of the horse

and calculate his bodyweight and feed him accordingly with his work

you feed your horse according to weight and work
which should be 20% feed and 80% roughage ie hay and grass of its bodyweight

so for exsample a 15,2hh horse in medium work would have 30lb of food
so thats divided 25lb in hay and 5lb in feed
if hes a good do er it would be less if hes in full time work it work be slightly more feed

as the horse needs calories then its the hay thats going to put it on the same to with grass being out 2hours isnt enough if you have good grass then put him out there for longer

if feeding hay make sure its good quality an average 15,2h horse weighing in at at 500-600kg

your horse is 1600lb which is 725kg

in moderate work, your horse need to be out more and up the hay and less grain as his guts tiny due to him being underweight

i would worm the horse to 725kg on the worming tube and then re worm in 2weeks time then put him on a worming programme to seasons of the year and cycle of the worms which would be four times year

also - do not over feed as the horses gut is tiny and will cause colic as someone rightly said if your over feeding your horse via grian or feed or mix

when feeding you want a low energy and more calories i surgest you learn about different types of feed and grain and what each one does i also surgest you read the back of each packet so your not overlaoding your horse with one thing or another and surgest you read and do the same with any type of supplement

all you really need to do if you feed good quality hay add veggie oil to his diet of feed as this is slow releasing energy good for coat and joints and you wont need any other supplement

with good hay you can up the calories easily the same as one can if they put the horse out on good grass which you said you have so get her out there more so during ther day as 2hrs isnt enough

a single scoop is 1 lb or 1 1/2 lb in weight depending if nuts or mixs

nuts are pellets to you

please remember that striaght feeds like oats barley maize in any scoop weight differently same as mix or pellets in any scoop why
because some are small and some are big - if oats the you will get more in the scoop than pellets ok

and i will add this as i also resuce horses and ponies
and want to make it clear to you - you do not work any horses or ponies when they are underwieght

1- is deemed as abusive
2- what weight your trying to put on your running off and the horse look the same or worse
3- you build the horse up once its up to weight you slowly re introduce work
4- you do not shove it straight in a carriage and expect to work all as you have done
5- the horse once up to weight and or is under weight is unfit
6- you work the horse via long reining and treat it as you would an un borken horse - which means you start of for 15mins and slowly work the horse up to an hours work working on both sides of the rein left and right side

7- you do not feed it straight away after its been
8- you do not feed it just before its going to work

9- you wait about an hour after work before feeding and you feed about 2hrs before working the horse
10- thus gives the horse time to diegest his food before work
and after working gives him time to come down as in let down
once fed leave him peace to enjoy his dinner and resepct his/her space of the stable

one human being wouldnt want ro run 10miles then be expected to eat his food right off as it would cause belly ache its the same for the horse

consider and respect the horse thats working for you as in the pic with the fares you earn on the white red festival when the horse was underweight

you want this horse to last and work for you then you give it the respect and he/she shall respect you back

[elysian_fields_farm1]

[QUOTE=goeslikestink;5063492]
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. . . you want this horse to last and work for you then you give it the respect and he/she shall respect you back[/QUOTE]

Thanks for yet another lecture-- I do find your info interesting, but as I have already been criticized --in this very thread for being willing to follow advice given by a stranger-- ie. Dixie’s former trainer-- I think I will stick with what my vet has recommended-- that goes for level of work as well as feeding amounts and protocol :)

Now do YOU have a horse reunion story to share? If not, and you still want to talk about horse feeding and “work” start your own thread on THAT subject, please.

[Cielo_Azure]

The nice thing about COTH and one of the reasons it is one of my favorite forums, it that threads are allowed to go where they go. The OP has no control, and is not allowed control. When an OP tries to control a thread (particularly, say after post #100), the behavior is viewed as both controlling and aggressive.