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#121

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5063713]
but as I have already been criticized --in this very thread for being willing to follow advice given by a stranger-- ie. Dixie’s former trainer-- I think I will stick with what my vet has recommended-- that goes for level of work as well as feeding amounts and protocol :):slight_smile:

Now do YOU have a horse reunion story to share? If not, and you still want to talk about horse feeding and “work” start your own thread on THAT subject, please. :)[/QUOTE]

I think you’ve been criticized for NOT being willing to follow advice from a complete stranger, albeit one who knew the horse before. You’ve said here several times that your vet doesn’t know drafts, perhaps you could be more open minded about some of the people here who do know drafts and how to get rescues back into shape.

Anyway, you’ll listen to what you want, and to whom you want, as is your prerogative.

I do have a reunion story. I went to see my old horse compete at a dressage test, and when he saw or smelled me, he dragged his new owner over to see me. Put his head in my chest like old times, and I scratched him in his favorite spot. He looked great. If he hadn’t, I certainly would not have been shy about telling the new owner what I thought.

#122

[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5063713]
Thanks for yet another lecture-- I do find your info interesting, but as I have already been criticized --in this very thread for being willing to follow advice given by a stranger-- ie. Dixie’s former trainer-- I think I will stick with what my vet has recommended-- that goes for level of work as well as feeding amounts and protocol :):slight_smile:

Now do YOU have a horse reunion story to share? If not, and you still want to talk about horse feeding and “work” start your own thread on THAT subject, please. :)[/QUOTE]

mate i have plenty of reunions all the time every horse or pony that i have homed i know exactly where they are and who they are with my repretation speaks for itself on that one . likewise when i have to re hab any horses or ponies from abussive owners be that pysical mental or both or lack of expreinced owners etc which in all cases i know what and what not to feed and the amount of food for the type of horse according to the work load if any warranted and what type of work then need if ridable etc

i have horses and ponies on a regular basis and have seen and heard every excuse under the sun

and happen to tell people what i think as i am direct person who doesnt beat about the bush if one isnt treating the horse or pony fairly as they cant speak for themselves

as for the lecture of feeding - iam not the one that doesnt know and your the one asking but are feeding your horse wrong and your working it
so in my mind your running the weight off and you will find it a lot harder to put weight on if your running the weight off

and keeping the horse in most of the time isnt helping the horse shes need out on the good grass you have or so you say and she need hay ab- lib as thats what will put on her calories then once she up to weight you need to slowly re introduce her back in to work as either way shes unfit
stick a fork in me i am done

#123

Purina has a feed calculator, select activity level and pounds horse should weight, it tells you how much to feed in lbs of the chosen feed.

http://horse.purinamills.com/products/feedingcalculator/default.aspx

#124

EFF, what a wonderful group the litterbox folks are. How wrong was I.

They are just so helpful and intelligent who have so much knowledge that they can tell you what to feed your horses. Even implying your vet must not be correct of knowledgable and that they know better. Wow, what an absolute wonderfully helpful group. I am sure you are overwhelmed with their abundance of good suggestions. BTW, is there a throw up icon?

Good God. Some of you I knew were litterbox, but some I didn’t or should say didn’t want to believe, since I had some respect for you. thanks for coming out. your helpfulness is like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Its a little transparent.

#125

[QUOTE=fivehorses;5063881]
EFF, what a wonderful group the litterbox folks are. How wrong was I.

They are just so helpful and intelligent who have so much knowledge that they can tell you what to feed your horses. Even implying your vet must not be correct of knowledgable and that they know better. Wow, what an absolute wonderfully helpful group. I am sure you are overwhelmed with their abundance of good suggestions. BTW, is there a throw up icon?

Good God. Some of you I knew were litterbox, but some I didn’t or should say didn’t want to believe, since I had some respect for you. thanks for coming out. your helpfulness is like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Its a little transparent.[/QUOTE]

excuse me am not party to the litterbox as it closed down thanks
and if you had read the post the vet had to look at books to find how to feed a drafty

we here have big draft breeds like shire, suffolk punch, cydlesdale and
bigger hunters or show cobs plus the smaller variety of cob that being thr welsh d and c, the connermara, the higland, the dales, and the fell and smaller version is the shetland

so yeah i do know how to feed draft type horses and ponies as this one is 1600lb which is 725kg it isnt that big

#126

Nope- Sorry —I was taken to task early in the thread for being willing to follow advice made by James, at my request-- the so-called “some guy . . . on the street.”

Here is the quote–

"Originally Posted by MSP
As CA was explaining this advise about the oil is very questionable. I would take the advise of a vet that specializes in drafts over legend or some guy you talked to on the street."The vet MSP was referring to was not my vet, but I believe, Dr. Valentine whose article MSP was quoting elsewhere in his post, I think.

As for some of the people posting here- well – not all of them actually own drafts from what I understand. And the whole POINT of the post was that Dixie and her old Trainer/ teamster were reunited by change and it was really nice to see that she also remembered him as he had her.

Knowing more NOW about the “nature” of SOME of the people on this board-- I would not even have mentioned his feeding and farrier advice-- which he OFFERED IN RESPONSE to my ASKING for his help and expertise. I thought his willingness to help me was just further evidence of how deeply he cared for Dixie-- I KNOW that my asking him was motivated by my desire to make things as good as is HUMANLY possible for her.

Now, let’s hear some more reunion stories. That is what this thread is about-- read the title, please. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Bigblackdraft;5063765]
I think you’ve been criticized for NOT being willing to follow advice from a complete stranger, albeit one who knew the horse before. You’ve said here several times that your vet doesn’t know drafts, perhaps you could be more open minded about some of the people here who do know drafts and how to get rescues back into shape.

Anyway, you’ll listen to what you want, and to whom you want, as is your prerogative.

I do have a reunion story. I went to see my old horse compete at a dressage test, and when he saw or smelled me, he dragged his new owner over to see me. Put his head in my chest like old times, and I scratched him in his favorite spot. He looked great. If he hadn’t, I certainly would not have been shy about telling the new owner what I thought.[/QUOTE]

#127

EFF et al: I know that GLS has some great reunion stories, as she is brilliant at matching horses and riders. Unable to help my British friend from here in the States, I asked Jenny to help, and I can tell you that Jenny – GLS – really knows her stuff. It is a perfect match. Just today I was on Skype talking with my friend and looking at pictures of her and her big draft boy testing the surf on the coast of Wales. She had spent four days riding across the Welsh countryside on her horse while her husband bicycled alongside, and each time we talk she again tells me how glad she is that I connected her with Jenny. I trust GLS implicitly and completely to know horses and their needs and riders and their needs.

I suspect that Thomas has some great reunion stories as well. That is one heck of a horseman. Some of you will remember his photographs of his four-in-hand thundering up Lindisfarne – thrilling stuff!! As Big Black Draft observed, Thomas is a tremendous resource on and off this forum, and I trust him, too, implicitly and completely.

MSP owns the oldest horse I personally have heard of, has owned him since he was a youngster and has ridden and driven for longer than most of the posters on this board. When I have an old-horse question I always ask her, and I completely trust her answer. Having worked on standardbred racetracks, she, too would have great reunion stories.

I deeply regret that well-meaning advice offered by people I respect has been run off course in this way. There is much to learn on this thread, much of it offered by these three individuals in particular.

#128

You kinda lost me here, but lest you think that Dr. Valentine is some sort of interwebz weirdo, I’ll just testify that she is a member of at least 2 vet only lists I am on, and she is very well respected by her colleagues.

#129

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;5064322]
You kinda lost me here, but lest you think that Dr. Valentine is some sort of interwebz weirdo, I’ll just testify that she is a member of at least 2 vet only lists I am on, and she is very well respected by her colleagues.[/QUOTE]

Don’t know how you came to that conclusion from what I posted but FOR THE RECORD- I bought her book-- and I I quoted her as an authority in a previous post on this thread-- so how you could think that I think she is a interwebz weirdo-- I just don’t get the reasoning. . .

I have no real opinion about her one way or the other- she is just a vet who wrote a book that I bought. OKAY- hope so.

Got any stories about horse reunions? If so, please share:)

#130

Calm down. You’re reading into my post things that are not there.
Just trying to reassure you that you can take her advice as solid stuff.

#131

Sorry- Once burned is twice shy

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;5064387]
Calm down. You’re reading into my post things that are not there.
Just trying to reassure you that you can take her advice as solid stuff.[/QUOTE]

Ghazzu- Sorry I misread the intent of your post. :slight_smile:

#132

[QUOTE=butlerfamilyzoo;5062412]
Sorry i’ve been traveling and just now getting back to this thread. I do not wish to derail it further, but i will apologize for my “Amish” statement if it offended anyone.[/QUOTE]

I always find it immensely distasteful when someone dismisses or labels a whole culture, race, creed, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation… you name it as having certain behaviours or traits. It’s stereotyping and prejudice to so do and it’s the stuff that in it’s more extreme forms causes hate, violence, subjugation and discrimination.

If you would like me to be more specific. I grew up near Arthur IL and have owned many an Amish trained horse over the years. I’ve been to their auctions, played with their kids, and my mothers midwife was Amish. All of our milk and eggs came from them. So, i wont stereotype all Amish in the country, but i will say there are some REALLY bad abusive situations around the Arthur area, from what i’ve seen them do at home, what i’ve seen them drive on the streets, what i’ve seen them do at auctions with horses that arent even theirs…
:confused: :no: And I’ve seen more horses starved and otherwise abused and spoilt by white middle-aged middle-class Christian women than any other group.

But I’m sure as heck aren’t going to be doing a little post saying "some of my best friends are white older ladies and then rushing on to stereotype or infer and imply that as a group that sort of behaviour runs high and then go on to label all white middle-aged christian females.

It’s not about it being “offensive to me or someone”. It’s insulting and offensive and ignorant. END OF!

So i stand by my statement that there are far worse horse owners than the OP to attack.
The OP has posted endlessly about her horses which supposedly arrive in poor condition from elsewhere. The OP is the one that has mentioned this particular horse’s backbone being prominent and her being malnourished… and on numerous occasions! She’s asked for advice about said horse on previous posts. She said herself she had a total stranger spend time giving her advice on feed and farriery. THAT isn’t normal when you’re out with your carriage horse.

The day I read a post which has offensive stereotyping in and then references to a malnourished horse and access to a photo showing a horse with poor feet, prominent backbone and I DON’T comment is the day I pack up! Totally! I’m of an era and a generation and a type where I’ll always do my utmost to ensure that prejudice and bias is called out for what it is. That minority groups have their rights and interests defended and protected. That horses are protected and defended.

I’m darned if I’m going to read posts over time from someone who is clearly working a malnourished horse and not yet effectively managing it’s feed or it’s feet and just ignore those facts and post happy little platitudes about how nice it is to meet folks in the street and get advice about feed and farriery.

I don’t turn a blind eye to difficult issues. I’m not that sort!

I would also like to say that all of you would roll over and cry foul at what i am seeing here in Puerto Rico.
I’m a patron of an organisation called World Horse Welfare. Was The International League for Protection of Horses.

If you’re interested in making a difference in countries where poverty is rife and people, let alone horses have a tough time then have a look at what they do.

My father was a member before I joined and that was decades ago. As the ILPH they’ve been instrumental in stopping live transportation across Europe to slaughter.

Their work in Peurto Rico specifically is on improving education, providing support and even harness and veterinary treatment and advice then look here and see how you might be able to help.

http://www.worldhorsewelfare.org/home

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183143

http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=109120&highlight=soweto#post109120

#133

[QUOTE=MySparrow;5064272]

I deeply regret that well-meaning advice offered by people I respect has been run off course in this way. There is much to learn on this thread, much of it offered by these three individuals in particular.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps they need to rethink their delivery, and not be so condescending.

There was a bump with the previous drivers’s advice about oil, but she was feeding the correct diet and the horse was doing light work. Her other horses look in very good condition.

#134

I think it’s rather ridiculous for you to chastise posters who are merely reacting to the erroneous information YOU posted.

If you suck at math, buy a calculator. The information you present to us keeps changing - first it’s over 20lbs of feed you’re feeding, then it’s feed but not hay, then it’s hay plus feed, then this or that vet or stranger is telling you this or that and then all of a sudden you’re feeding hardly anything.

It’s no wonder folks are concerned about your horses. From my perspective at least, it appears that you don’t know what you’re doing. Which is ok if you’re open to accepting advice from well intentioned and more experienced horsemen. Arguing, changing your stories and making excuses doesn’t help. I cannot peer into your soul or mind and figure out what the heck is going on, if anything. I can only express concern at what I am reading.

Dr. Valentine is well respected, and believe it or not a lot of folks on this BB knew about her work many many years before you read her book.

So don’t assume we know nothing about equine nutrition, EPSM, Shivers, or issues with drafts and draft crosses.

Arithmetic matters. Decimals matter. Especially when measuring feed and medication. Ask the pharmacist who accidentally killed 20 polo ponies with a simple math error.

And no, I have no reunion stories to share so stop asking.

Good luck with your horses and I hope this hurricane season leaves you unscathed.

#135

If the OP or her vet was figuring feed in ounces, 1.5% is indeed almost 2 lbs. Not of straight grain, but beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, and senior feed, which probably has soy in addition to grain products.

Everything has gotten so twisted up because people are jumping to eroneous conclusions.

#136

Geeze Thomas, i’m not racist at all, but sure, i’ll agree, plenty of whites and blacks that abuse their animals too. Since i grew up next to this Amish culture, i can comment on it. Not saying their people are not wonderful otherwise, but it’s a culture that only thrives on the backs of it’s animals, and those animals can be treated very poorly. Perhaps because i was so immersed into the horse aspect of their lives with this particular group in IL, and you must remember, i was a child growing up in this with a soft heart for the horses, so the abuse sticks out in my mind more than anything else. What i’ve seen happen at the Arthur livestock auction behind the scenes is disgusting. Granted, the last time i went to an Arthur auction was a good 10yrs ago. I hope things have changed since then.

My point was, there are far worse horse owners than the OP. I could comment on the Arthur Amish because that is what i know best.

Thanks for the links Thomas, i’ll look those up when i’m back at home and have good internet and not just my phone.

It’s terrible how twisted info has gotten here, though it is good info, the manner at which it was given is so rude and not called for. People do not realize, or care, that the written word can be interpreted much differently than spoken word. I can forgive our UK members to a certain extent because that is a different culture than our own and the manner of speaking there is a bit brunt and to a US person can come off extremely offensive. So OP, do keep that in mind. The US is a very sensitive (to a fault) culture that thinks everyone else is out to attack them at the slightest hint of negativity. Germans are a breed all their own as well and come off even more rude than the British. Koreans even more different. Italians crack me up. Being military, i’ve had the honor to know people from many different nationalities and you learn how to take things the way they really meant them, not the way you first think they meant it. But most Americans do not understand this. So before something is taken negatively, chew it over first and try to see the good in people before feeling attacked.

Life is too short to fret over stupid people who do mean things offensively.

And to the OP, you can request from the MODs to close a thread if you’ve gotten the info from it that you want to. That is your right as the OP. :wink:

#137

So how do you know its closed down? if you are not party to it GLS???

#138

Eff can request this thread be closed down. However, the litterbox gang will continue to harrass her.
That is the nature of bullies. They chomp on someone and ridicule them, both online and off. Their goal is to see someone isolated and run off.

In NH, we are running conferences regarding cyber bullying in the wake of the young woman(HS) who committed suicide in Mass after being the victim of cyber bullying.

The saying “Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting a battle of some kind.” seems to be lost on some folks on this board. Sure, we all have lapses, but there seems to be a pattern amongst some to take it to extreme.

An intervention from the mods or administration of the COTH needs to be implemented, since this type of behaviour(cyber bullying) is going to become more prevalent in our society. I think the organization(publishing company) needs to look at how their rules need to incorporate cyber bullying and its definition. Cyber bullying is not the same thing as having a difference of opinion and if they think they can ignore it, well, it won’t be long before they might face legal liability.

I have a certain respect for some litterbox individuals because of their knowledge and experience, but when their opinion is not given to help, but to also demean, then I lose respect and credibility for that individual. I think you know who you are. Might not matter to you whether you have gained or lost someone’s respect, but ultimately it defines who you are as a person.

#139

Five horses you got summarily busted for a nasty comment in Off Course about overweight riders you noticed in some of my pictures. You said you know, there’s programs for dealing with that, you know, Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers, etc. Those folks were not on the thread, they had nothing to do with the topic- what was it? oh yeah- HELMETS.

I have a certain respect for many individuals because of their knowledge and experience, but when their opinion is not given to help, but to also demean, then I lose respect and credibility for that individual. I think you know who you are. Might not matter to you whether you have gained or lost someone’s respect, but ultimately it defines who you are as a person.

Pot, meet kettle.

#140

I’m not a party to it, well not really. Those folks used to lampoon me all the time. Didn’t bother me one bit.

The reason she knows is the reason a lot of people know. Because it was a public BB and the guy who ran it shut it down. Lots of COTH posters saw it happen.

Another one that went poof is some H/J board. I think it went poof, anyway.

Don’t be so paranoid. This BB is great and is well moderated. If you dislike it start your own BB.

QED.

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