JC (or AQHA??) Tattoo Help

[supaflyskye]

I’m having trouble w/ a gelding’s tattoo.

To me this says H(or A? I’m pretty sure H …it looks even more like H in person)3815?
The only other thing I could possibly foresee the “1” in question being is a 7, but last I checked JC 7s don’t have a base like that, it looks a lot more like a 1.
I have no idea what the last digit is. it’s very faded.
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The problem is that there are no horses that I can find on the JC tattoo lookup that match this boy’s markings. Nothing for H3815?, A3815?, H3875? or A3875?. Tried both bay and dark bay/brown, as well as both geldings and horses.
Help?
Horse’s papers were lost at an unknown time, so he could be listed as either a horse or a gelding.
THIS is his face.
and he has a tiny little bit of white on the front of his LF coronet, w/ half the hoof being white.

Any ideas?
I’d like to at least be 100% sure how old the beast is before I go any further w/ buying him. The owner thinks he’s around 10 or thereabouts, give or take a few. So no help.

[caffeinated]

The numbers definitely look like 3815 to me… maybe search through a bunch of letters? If he’s around ten try everything between c and h. I think E would be ten, off the top of my head…

[supaflyskye]

I’ve searched everything A-H.
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frustrating.
I wish I knew what that last digit was. I can only imagine that I must be reading it wrong somehow, the online tattoo lookup is experiencing a glitch …or it’s not a JC tattoo? He’s supposed to be a Thoroughbred, though. and his looks are totally classic TB.

but maybe the H is a 4, the illegible last digit is a letter and it’s an AQHA track tattoo??
I have no idea how to search those.

[mht]

how about this horse? https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=tattooIdServicesAction

I used H38151

[Xctrygirl]

I got one… not sure if its him though…

I Searched off

A 38 Unknown 5 unknown

Ok so it came back with A38535 Which Doesn’t look like his at all.

But the description is:

Large irregular star and connected narrow stripe, ending in a line of white hairs on bridge of nose. Left fore: small patch of white hairs on coronet in front. Cowlick to left in star.

Name is: Is It Yourself Dark bay or Brown gelding out of Stuttering Sarah.

Last ran at Charlestown in 2002.

~Emily

[supaflyskye]

I don’t think it’s him.
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His stripe is fairly wide, gets wider and goes right as it comes down his nose, touches the right nostril and ends on his upper lip.

I appreciate the effort though. Thanks

EDIT: E38751 could be maybe him, if only the description about the stripe was reversed to say right.
“Small narrow vertical star, slightly to left in forehead and connected narrow stripe, slightly extending to left on bridge of nose, becoming bordered flesh colored above nostrils, extending between nostrils, into left nostril, ending on upper lip. Left fore: coronet irregularly white, except on outside, mixed on inside; mixed white hairs on pastern on inside; small faint patch of white hairs on heel on outside. Median cowlick above eye level.”
Maybe a misdescription? Is that possible? If you’re looking at him it’s your left. The white on the LF is slightly different, but I imagine that could change a little as he aged. He’s sort of a wild bay, lots of light hairs on his legs. His star isn’t quite “small and vertical” now, but it might be in the summer. not sure.
thoughts on a misdescription? Wish I could see a photo of E38751.

[jumpytoo]

have you considered he may be a solid appy or paint? that raced? they can very much look like a TB

[Cammie]

I didn’t see any possibilities just now, but keep in mind on the description that any “star connected to a stripe” is a blaze in Jockey Club parlance. Your guy has a star and a stripe, NOT connected. His description should read something like “Irregular star; thin stripe beginning below eye level, widening to right, into right nostril, ending to right on upper lip”.

[supaflyskye]

Thanks for the advice.
I suppose at this point he could be anything. I can’t find any info on looking up tattoos for the other registries.

[alspharmd]

Large star pointed to right and connected stripe, extending to right in center of face, widening and becoming bordered flesh colored on bridge of nose, extending between nostrils, covering right nostril, ending to right on upper lip; flesh colored patch on lower lip. Left fore: coronet white, higher in back. Cowlick to right at top of eye level.

This one seems to be a close fit, but the tattoo doesn’t look anything like F38056.

[Cammie]

You can call the AQHA registration department and ask them to run some possibilities through their system, but it’s not set up for partial searches like the JC database is. He could be an appendix QH, which would explain the TB appearance.

They usually have the letter at the end of the tattoo, after the numbers. But the letter doesn’t correspond to a birth year like in the JC, so it could be anything. Maybe his is 43815_?

Or maybe he’s a foreign TB, and the unknown letter is an asterisk. You’ll have to contact the JC directly for research in that case, as those horses are not in the online database. Fill out the form and see what they come back with. Make sure to get a good close-up of the cowlick(s) on his face as well.

https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=tattooResearchProcessBreakdown&init=Y

The photo you posted of his face looks like the star and stripe are not connected, but its too tiny to see clearly. Are they faintly connected, or completely separate?

[supaflyskye]

If I end up getting him(would pick him up Friday) I will certainly contact AQHA and the JC about the possibilities.
His star and stripe definitely appear thinly connected right now, but he has a fairly fluffy winter coat; in the summer when the markings are more clearly defined they might not be connected.
He’ll probably be getting a body clip pretty quick if I buy him, so we’ll see for sure then.
He’s my favourite so far of the horses I’ve tried, such a cuddly boy, but I have one more horse to ride today.
Here he is in action for anyone interested. He’s been a putz around trail horse for his whole life off the track.

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=alspharmd;6007872]
Large star pointed to right and connected stripe, extending to right in center of face, widening and becoming bordered flesh colored on bridge of nose, extending between nostrils, covering right nostril, ending to right on upper lip; flesh colored patch on lower lip. Left fore: coronet white, higher in back. Cowlick to right at top of eye level.

This one seems to be a close fit, but the tattoo doesn’t look anything like F38056.[/QUOTE]

That’s the only one I found who seems like the markings are right, but that’s an incredibly clear tattoo and it REALLy doesn’t look like a 0, unless it’s been very muddled. It certainly could be F38-5, but I’m not sure how that 0 could have turned into a 1…

You can search for * tattoos, but the only one who comes up doesn’t match the facial description.

[summerhorse]

How about:

Horse Name Turn and Counter

Tattoo A38158

Year of Birth 1997

Dam Name Arty Turn

Color Dark Bay or Brown

Sex Horse

Or

Horse Name Ito’s Ana

Tattoo H38151

Year of Birth 2004

Dam Name Adorable Ana

Color Bay

Sex Gelding

Or

Horse Name Affair View

Tattoo H38154

Year of Birth 2004

Dam Name Evening Affair

Color Dark Bay or Brown

Sex Gelding

or

Horse Name Sirocos

Tattoo A38150

Year of Birth 1997

Dam Name Spanish Bea

Color Dark Bay or Brown

Sex Gelding

or

Horse Name Woody’s Prize

Tattoo A38152

Year of Birth 1997

Dam Name Miss Woodchuck

Color Dark Bay or Brown

Sex Horse

or

Horse Name Winter Whistler

Tattoo A38154

Year of Birth 1997

Dam Name Just Like Smoke

Color Bay

Sex Gelding

That’s all I got! It would help to get a close up of the letter and the last digit and a side view of the teeth to see Galvayne’s groove and the angle of teeth. You can look up these horses and see if their markings match

[mht]

Summerhorse, I second the Ito’s Ana. When I did the search without the full tattoo, that is the horse I came up with, as well. Description was very close. I also think the last number of the tattoo is a ‘1’.

[supaflyskye]

I did find Ito’s Ana’s markings. Don’t recall specifically what they were but I know they included a hind sock. This horse has no white on his hind legs.
When I first searched his tattoo I thought the last number looked like a 1 too, I found Ito’s Ana and saw “bay gelding” and assumed that was probably him. Only when I started doing partial number searches to confirm did I realize I couldn’t find anything that really matched.

I will be deciding tomorrow whether or not I’m bringing him home(leaning toward it, he’s such a sweetie). If he comes with me, the first thing I will be doing is very closely inspecting and photographing that tattoo. :lol:
He won’t even get in a stall first, straight onto the cross ties so I can examine his lip. It’s driving me crazy.
so hopefully I will update with better pictures and new insight on Friday or Saturday.

[summerhorse]

Can’t wait!!

[furlong47]

Eagerly waiting for new pics :lol: I’ve never been stumped by one with so many clear characters before… EXCEPT a horse that did turn out to be an ex-racing QH.

[beatsworking]

Looks like H38751 to me which would make it Cowboy Regime, an unraced bay 2004 model. How would you get the markings from the JC?

[supaflyskye]

MYSTERY SOLVED! Summerhorse had it!
Turn And Counter, A38158
1997 Dark Bay/Brown Horse (he’s a gelding now but I guess it hasn’t been reported)
by Geiger Counter out of Arty Turn
I have no idea why it didn’t come up on a partial search, but the owner actually had his papers. :rolleyes:
He just didn’t know what they were/what they meant. Just some stuff that went with the coggins in his mind.
He kept saying he didn’t know if the horse was registered, even after I explained that if he had a tattoo and raced as a 3-y/o(per owner) he had to be, didn’t know for certain the horse’s age, etc.
Ah well.

Thanks so much to everyone here for all your help!