Oh boy. Good luck!
Now it just becomes a question of how much I really care. I didn’t care at all until this little TB show this fall came on my radar. If they accept her based on my story and existing evidence, then dealing with breed registries can move down the to-do list. I don’t really need to be the only one jumping around the Take2 TB jumpers at Saratoga. 
Believe me, I understand!
At one point I was hoping to race or consign my filly, since is a nice horse with above average breeding. But when it became clear that the expense to get her registered was going to be too great, I abandoned that idea. I’m still hoping the stallion owner will work with me in a few years for sport papers. There are standardbred shows and it would be nice if those were an option for her, especially since standardbreds are a little limited in how competitive they can be in open company. But it is what it is!
Your filly is so nice so I completely understand why you would want to have the same options for her. It wasn’t her fault she got caught up in that disaster, just like it wasn’t my filly’s fault she landed with me.
So here’s one more online speculation question before I pick up the phone: Since I don’t care all that much about doing the rated TB classes, would there be any benefit to getting her DNA tested to prove her parentage for these little breed shows I might want to do where eligibility is fully at the discretion of show management? Since both her dam (Nickerdoodle) and sire (First Cornertstone) are JC registered, is it not possible for them to match her back to them?
This has turned into a really interesting discussion. I’m glad I posted and appreciate everyone who has chimed in!
DNA typing is only $85 I think? So that’s up to you IMO.
I can’t imagine a show bending the rules on registration, but maybe?
For $85 it can’t hurt to at least have verification.
But again, I’d reach out to the Jockey Club. They worst they can tell you is you’re out of luck. But they tend to be pretty nice.
I looked up First Cornerstone (IRE) on the JC site and it says that his Report of Mares Bred was turned in and complete for the years 2016 and 2017. If your mare was born in one of those years, maybe that will help?
Oops, sorry–just saw that she is 5 years old. 
In case others don’t remember, and hopefully the OP won’t mind me sharing, but her two horses were part of this dispersal after NY breeder Todd Stinson died:
I don’t mind at all! Their story is MY favorite story. 
It’s my understanding that the DNA test offered for $85 to identify a TB runs it against the existing database–so they’re taking the DNA and comparing to horses already registered and a match pops up.
If that’s the case, this horse would not produce a match, because she was never registered and her DNA was never submitted, so it’s not in their database.
At the very least, it’s worth a call before spending the bucks, to confirm exactly what it’s being run against.
It looks like the breeding was never reported, which might throw a wrench in your plans. I agree that you should call the Jockey Club.
I did pull a produce report on her dam a while back and remember seeing the Frost Giant breeding. Is it possible my filly is a Frost Giant baby and not First Cornerstone?? The plot thickens! Regardless, I will be calling the JC.
Edited to add a photo of the mystery kiddo:
Her presumed sire, First Cornerstone:
Frost Giant (hmm, they do have the same head):
I mean, she could be by anyone.
Who knows who he bred her to that year.
But, it does make the most sense she’s probably by First Cornerstone. He was on the farm, there were others by him, etc.
Frost Giant would make everything a lot easier. It would just come down to $$$: stud fee and hefty registration fees. I bet they would work with you on the fee at this point.
There’s a big difference in the mouth of a two year old vs the mouth of a three year old. It would be pretty apparent when you purchased if she were 2 vs 3.
When you bought her, was there strong suspicion that she was a year younger than expected?
No, she’s definitely 5 based on her mouth. Maybe I’m reading the above report incorrectly?
Oh, no, I think I was. I was reading that as year of cover, not year of birth.
I think she looks more like Frost Giant fwiw. Keep us posted on your journey. 
I agree! Hopefully I can get to the bottom of it.
I am so glad this nice filly landed with you after she had such a rough start in life.
I have found the ladies at the JC to be so incredibly nice, and I am sure they will do whatever they can to help you out.
Since the dam and sire both have their DNA on record with the JC, I am pretty sure you will at least be able to get a parentage verification through the DNA.
Very best of luck with her, and please let us know how you make out.
ETA, reading back. Getting the filly DNA tested would prove her parentage. - when you register a foal you send its hair sample in with the forms showing the parentage. If the sire and dam are in the data base (and these horses would be) it would show that the foal (this filly) is consistent with that information. Or not.
Let us know what the JC says! 
Thank you! This is so helpful and honestly all that I was hoping for. If I confirm her parentage via DNA, maybe the JC would be willing to give me a letter or something stating that she is ‘eligible to be registered’ that I can use for shows. Won’t know 'til I call! Will definitely report back after I talk to them. Seriously, you all have been very helpful - thanks!
I’m not doubting her breed (or her mother’s) by any means, but I wouldn’t take that origin story as gospel unless you’ve personally verified it. That’s the story that auction houses use about 90% of the time for unregistered horses with unknown histories that they plan to sell to the public.
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