If she ever shows up to this thread (I’m still hoping for a Christmas miracle), it will definitely have to go into favorites!
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I might be getting things mixed up, but IIRC from her website AH bred this foal and then sold it as a young horse to her working student Madison who produced it as a young jumper with Amy’s help and with the help of the trainers the working student subsequently worked for/with. The horse was then sold, and the person who has it now is different. So IIRC Amy did breed this mare (according to her website).
https://www.huntingtonfarm.org/copy-of-our-horses
Yeah, I think if you look up her record that’s right. She was originally owned by Madison Dehaven and trained by Richard Rinehart.
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If the situation was with The Jockey Club, they would credit you as the breeder. I believe that is true of most registries.
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I’m seriously wondering if all these well known riders and trainers realize that she uses their names all over her website, seemingly to make herself sound more important and or connected??!!
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I’ve spent many years in and around Viroqua and have never heard of her… :lol:
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Sullenly retreats back to bark-o-lounger and places cold popcorn down. Still holds onto hope for a Christmas miracle.
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Wow, this is quite a dialog. Frankly, I’m surprised it’s posted, considering despite 3 years of 1st, 2nd and 3rd of breeding the top young jumpers in the country, by a debilitated stallion I made and rode GP for 5 years, and then took one youngster solidly to the 1.50m ring and sold her to one of the top 18 year old riders in the country (the other YJC final winner is in the 1.50m ring with another trainer), only for that buyer to win the medal maclay and the horse disappear off the grand Prix circuit … espn covering and national recognition by newspapers, only to never even have my name mentioned by the chronocal in a real article. I guess they had to acknowledge my existence on some level. But this doesn’t exactly shine me in a good light, does it?
So I stumbled across this promoting my new website address, and why not? … since they are actually allowing this dialog … we’ll see if I get a fair chance at a public response (or if this post mysteriously disappears).
First, on the case with the stallion, Cradilo. There was never a legal lease, exactly as I said in my ‘Cradilo’s Story’. Sandy came up with some story in court about it being lost in a fire, but it didn’t exist. She asked me to claim I had a lease on him publicly, so that her soon to be ex husband could not make a claim on Cradilo at the time as he was tied up with me. So sometimes publicly I did it to keep her happy. But, if I had had a legal lease, he would have legally been owned by me for that time. Which means according to USEF, he would have shown under my name, while he was always shown under Sandy DuBois’, and I would have claimed him when I paid to collect the only frozen semen on him that exists (and listed my name as the owner rather than Grace’s) and there would be no legitimate dispute on the semen right now. Like so often is the case when you are being worked over (spending a ton of money and time on a horse I had no real legal claim on), she had me so thoroughly twisted around I didn’t know which end was up. I just knew I loved the horse, had a profound connection with him (we literally would have died for each other) and didn’t want to lose him ever.
In the courtroom I had the only expert witness, Steve Wall, a USEF judge and past insurer of equine athletes. The judge granted me unjust enrichment, but as he looked up Irish Draughts on his computer for 30 seconds during the case, his exact words were as far as I’m concerned a draft horse should be pulling a cart in a field with an Amish behind him, and there wasn’t one on the planet worth $500K. Case dismissed. He didn’t believe in the value of Grand prix horses or stallions. Personally, I believe he was bribed, because the entire things was a joke. If you read the transcripts and they are actually accurate you will see this.
Second, I went decades never laying claim to any professional accomplishments. But, my professional career continued to mysteriously be sabotaged by clients and allies disappearing in sometimes very strange ways (like actually dying mysteriously at the age of 31) most of which I now attribute to political sabotage via guerrilla warfare style tactics that after decades finally became apparent enough to me that I realized if I didn’t start to sell myself and fight back with the truth I was never going to survive in a sport with an animal that I do love and have every right to succeed in financially.
Just this spring, a group of students I was changing in a big way for the positive, were sabotaged by a barn owner suddenly trying to shut me out and steal my working student (acting as an assistant during the lessons) and cause her to lose her amateur status. It was a very strange and unexpected turn of events, and I’m sure there were some influences from the political powers above who are terrified to let me get any foothold as always. Because it made absolutely no sense.
As a general rule of thumb I let the work and the animals speak for me (this is why I train and compete while I can instead of writing books, clincing and primarily teaching) but when they aren’t even giving you the chance to get to the shows by professionally blackballing you you don’t have much choice but to put it all out there in a very matter of fact way if you hope to and deserve to have a real shot.
Finally, if you have been in the US hunter-jumper industry for any period of time, and haven’t come to realize there is some major dark, and yes I would go so far as to call it evil, stuff happening in this industry, then you are being completely deluded by probably some very skilled shysters. Yes, George Morris is Darth Vador in my
‘Dropping the Bomb’ artical. The king of shysters in this industry. Dr. Evil followed by a large group of knowing and unknowing minions. Win a 3rd place in an international horse show a million years ago (bronze medal in olympics in 1960 something) when the industry wasn’t in the same league of difficulty and competition it is now. Then milk that one accomplishment for decades by barely ever showing again (when the real horseman have done it over and over at show after show on horse after horse), never developing a horse from scratch (though ruining plenty), and terrorizing thousands of students and professionals with his tyrannical, communistic, elitist snob take on the world and horsemanship in general.
Say you support these up and comers publicly through one corner of your mouth, and then slyly do everything in your power to keep anyone who dares to defy you or can prove you are not who you say you are down, get all your cronies to believe in and support your illusions (whether they are supported by fact or not) and you’ve got the perfect ingredients for an industry that is totally corrupt from the top down to anyone who wants to survive in a decent fashion (or at all).
There are good trainers and good horseman and good people in this sport in the US, but it is woven throughout with some seriously unethical tactics of drugging and misusing horses because we do not know how to train them (we just buy them from other countries pre-made), making ridiculous amounts of money on horses you have not bred or developed and students you are pandering to rather than actually training to be horseman, in the mean time doing in good horseman politically so that truth never comes out, and keeping the amateur owners in the dark as to what is really going on.
My only hope is by living this hell of an industry that does not want provide a living unless one, you start off with a big one in the bank, or two, you are willing to sell your soul to the politics of the trainers that are determined to stay on the top whether they should be there as overall horseman or (not just some winning competitors) … and putting it out there … the truth will begin to become apparent. And the good people in the this sport will fight back in their own way, for both the horses and the struggling professionals and the industry as a whole.
My other hope is I believe the international FEI level of the show jumping industry is more legitimate and honorable, and finally thoroughly on to what has been happening here in the US. And I get the distinct sense they are not impressed … more like horrified … as any horseman in their right mind with any real sense of honor should be.
I mean seriously folks, how bad do things have to get? This sport is not about coddling the human ego. (ie How amazing we are, how much money we can make, how many ribbons we can win, and how many competitors we can do in, inside the ring and out). It is about the horses, the connection with the horses, honing that connection in an obvious way, vi athletic ability, to the highest level of excellence through sport, and helping others to find that connection. And I guarantee if you truly have found and are living and reaching further for it, the horses are doing a thorough job of beating your human ego down on a daily basis.
That’s why the ability to actually train and produce top horses is fundamental to determining a top horseman. Anyone can buy a good horse someone else made, and learn to be a good little monkey on it’s back and win in the show ring. But this method of producing riders tends to give them a false sense of accomplishment they’ve only half earned. And anyone can pontificate what I’m saying to actually make it seem like they are the real deal, but I’m here to tell you, from what I’ve seen in the past 40 years, many of those at the very top of this sport are master illusionist using the horse and those that love them to create a false image that they can control. For them it is about feeding their ego, power and image. It is not pretty, it is not healthy, and it is not taking what can be great sport in this country to a solid, soul feeding, enlightening, good place.
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You really bumped this? When it was dead?
popcorn time
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I offer editing services at very affordable rates.
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Owe me new cushions on my light colored couch. Red wine and popcorn make such a mess. :lol:
Em
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Ok, I’m not going to consistently lower myself to engaging in commentary from those who aren’t even willing to be obvious with their identity, and clearly have an undermining agenda. It’s out there for those interested in looking deeper; my story, my career and my horses are far from dead (though granted there are many that would like to believe they all are), and every post anyone places on facebook or tweets is a daily bump. So get real and get honest dude. Some of us are unwilling to give up the fight and let the truth die. And some of us just cowardly sit on the fence behind the shadows and don’t jump in until it’s clear who’s winning.
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When you have ONE HUNDRED THIRTEEN words in one sentence, it makes it hard for people to follow your “story.”
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I want to meet you and buy you a beer.
Best. Shade. Ever.
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I’ll tell you right now from 17 years experience posting on this board, you will not get a lot of disclosure of real names.
That said… what exactly were you expecting to be met with? You have your life and the events in it and even from the cheap seats I can see that your equine success is countered with some sketchy decisions. You found your name on a bulletin board and wanted to defend yourself, I get it. But the thread was dead. Most people had likely forgotten your name… so the only thing you did BY defending yourself is to give up more info, in a badly composed fashion (Which people jump on that here a lot) and you didn’t help yourself.
Had you let it be you’d have been better off.
Live your life and don’t let others cause the need to defend yourself to complete strangers. If you still feel like you have to explain things, then maybe look hard at the choices you’re making.
Emily Salvaggio (My name won’t help you much but I don’t hide)
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Oh dear, here I sit with an icepack on my jaw from yesterday’s dental episode and the meds dont mix with my boxed wine in a pleasing way and I can’t eat anything but mush… What am I supposed to do?
Gave up reasoning with these bringing up dead posts some time back to defend themselves (missing the obvious point nobody really cares) but this one was a pretty entertaing trainwreck with some jaw dropping statements. So…carry on. We got alot of new posters who might enjoy this one.
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How can someone misspell “Chronicle” when it’s in giant letters at the top of the page?
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I can never remember which one it is- Black Beauty Syndrome or The Black Stallion syndrome? :rolleyes:
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FFBC?
I did spend a short while wondering why you were posting with an icepick in your jaw…I was thinking personally I would get that seen too…Ice PACK…that I get…
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