Jumper Conspiracy?

[Janeway]

I mean, even Darth Vador was pretty good with a light saber, had plenty of followers and some real talent at manipulating the force. That doesn’t mean we should put him in a leadership position and worship him as a God without taking a hard look at how he’s been doing things

I have a feeling Ms. Hunter hasn’t seen Star Wars… Darth Vader kinda was in a leadership position and as if anyone was going to question his methods :lol:

Can’ barely wrap my head around the supposed conspiracy plot in her blog, it is just so far-fetched.

[Gestalt]

@vxf111

Either…

1. They were like “who the heck is Amy Hunter?”

or they got right on the phone with George

2. “Send us instructions, boss.”

Brilliant, I vote for number 2 :lol: :encouragement:

[kirbydog]

God, I wish she’d come on line and discuss this with us…since I no longer have Current Events, this is my lunch time/down time entertainment! :lol::lol::lol:

[MtnDrmz]

@kirbydog

God, I wish she’d come on line and discuss this with us…since I no longer have Current Events, this is my lunch time/down time entertainment! :lol::lol::lol:

Same!!! I was pretty excited to see a bunch of new comments to catch up on for this thread!

Also guys, I figured out how she trained Cradillo from 50K to 750K. She said she rode him as a four year old or something like that. He was probably a nice baby, so she assumes he was worth 50K as a greenie. Then, everyone else trains him and gets him to grand prix, develops his record, and at the end she gets him back. She rode him at the beginning, and the end. BAM she is responsible for everything in between. Makes perfect sense if you apply the same logic that she exhibits in her “writings” :lol::winkgrin:

[MHM]

@kirbydog

God, I wish she’d come on line and discuss this with us…since I no longer have Current Events, this is my lunch time/down time entertainment! :lol::lol::lol:

Eee. Careful what you wish for. Even though the same thought has crossed my mind. Lol.

[Tackpud]

Those are just the ugliest crosses I have ever seen. No way would I ever want to breed any mare to them - talk about continuing to weaken bloodlines if you did that. And who would ever leave them stallions anyway?? What a train wreck!

[ACountingRider]

I’ve kept up with this thread for amusement, but I’d like to avoid any comment on the stallion’s previous rider.
But, we had two homebreds by Cradilo. He definitely threw his jumping style and temperment. They were the most lovely young horses to start. Very friendly and quiet. Both are now eventing, and I think they’ll make great Prelim/1* packers if not slightly higher with the right rider.
Interestingly both horses and Cradilo have the exact same style over fences, I can almost always recognize the few that are out there now. For eventing, I’d like them to jump a bit more forward to make true upper-level event prospects because both ours seems to have a bit more air time and and were scored accordingly in the young event horse series. (Though scored really well on the flat and confirmation) But you couldn’t beat their genuine personalities and trainability that I think are allowing them to go a bit further up the levels.

For reference, we bred him to connemara/TB mares. The horses look like larger connemaras that ended up aboout 16h. I don’t think they turned out to be that much heavier than the dams either. They were a good sort you’d love to take hunting.

[Old_Mac_Donald]

@ACountingRider

I’ve kept up with this thread for amusement, but I’d like to avoid any comment on the stallion’s previous rider.
But, we had two homebreds by Cradilo. He definitely threw his jumping style and temperment. They were the most lovely young horses to start. Very friendly and quiet. Both are now eventing, and I think they’ll make great Prelim/1* packers if not slightly higher with the right rider.
Interestingly both horses and Cradilo have the exact same style over fences, I can almost always recognize the few that are out there now. For eventing, I’d like them to jump a bit more forward to make true upper-level event prospects because both ours seems to have a bit more air time and and were scored accordingly in the young event horse series. (Though scored really well on the flat and confirmation) But you couldn’t beat their genuine personalities and trainability that I think are allowing them to go a bit further up the levels.

For reference, we bred him to connemara/TB mares. The horses look like larger connemaras that ended up aboout 16h. I don’t think they turned out to be that much heavier than the dams either. They were a good sort you’d love to take hunting.

Can I ask, are these recent breedings, as in after the stallion left Amy’s place? The blog post gives the impression that the stallion became infertile after he left her care. They sound like grand horses!

[ACountingRider]

I can’t actually remember it may have been right before because we actually met them while she was riding him and he over-nighted at our farm on her way back north from Ocala. I believe the mare and gelding are either 6yo and 7yo or 7yo and 8yo now. My parents bred them, and I started them while I was in college so I didn’t really have much communication on where the sire was.
This could be complete conjecture but that sounds correct because we did have a RID mare later who we hoped to have one fullbred RID out of, but for whatever reason my parents were unable to use him, but it could have been the mare.

(and yes! From an eventing standpoint I’ve ridden quite a few RIDx’s and Connemara x’s and they’re just the best!)

[ACountingRider]

Shameless plug, here is the little mare so if she was 3 in 2014 when this video was taken probably 2 or 3 weeks under saddle, that would make her 6 now? She’s now eventing in Area II with her amateur owner. Heck she was started by me, a a prof-amateur who only stays pro so I can work off my lessons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTkkxqdDLM0

[LtComJoAnne]

@Old Mac Donald

Can I ask, are these recent breedings, as in after the stallion left Amy’s place? The blog post gives the impression that the stallion became infertile after he left her care. They sound like grand horses!

As previously mentioned, he is still a stallion and he is not infertile and certainly not infertile because of his despair of losing AH as his caretaker. I believe, but I could be wrong that breeding was suspended during the lawsuit or during the transition back to his owner. He is now retired from everything, but trail riding. There is frozen semen from many years ago, but it is still being disputed between AH and his owner. They owner may do a couple of more breedings, TBD.

[MHM]

@LtComJoAnne

As previously mentioned, he is still a stallion and he is not infertile and certainly not infertile because of his despair of losing AH as his caretaker. I believe, but I could be wrong that breeding was suspended during the lawsuit or during the transition back to his owner. He is now retired from everything, but trail riding. There is frozen semen from many years ago, but it is still being disputed between AH and his owner. They owner may do a couple of more breedings, TBD.

Man, what a cluster. But it’s nice to know he’s still around and enjoying life.

[vxf111]

@LtComJoAnne

As previously mentioned, he is still a stallion and he is not infertile and certainly not infertile because of his despair of losing AH as his caretaker.

That would be a little gross did she actually argue that?

[LtComJoAnne]

@vxf111

That would be a little gross did she actually argue that?

Yes

[Raine]

Cradilo daughter. http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/winner-of-the-week-sarah-meier-caters-to-chanels-quirks-for-open-jumper-blues

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Comment by Amy Hunter:
Not sure why the chronically refuses credit to more American breeders & trainers, but chanel was bred by Amy Hunter of Ace Sport Horses @ Huntington farms in viroqua, WI (who brought Madison as a working student in2 the h-j world as a grand prix rider on stallion cradilo herself). & Madison also received a great deal of help from Richard Rinehart (won 5 yr old’s & 2nd in 6 yr old finals on chanel) & trainer aaron vale (her 1st job). Nice article tho, nice 2 learn more about Sarah, & at least Steve Wall got a thumbs up.

[LtComJoAnne]

@Old Mac Donald

Comment by Amy Hunter:
Not sure why the chronically refuses credit to more American breeders & trainers, but chanel was bred by Amy Hunter of Ace Sport Horses @ Huntington farms in viroqua, WI (who brought Madison as a working student in2 the h-j world as a grand prix rider on stallion cradilo herself). & Madison also received a great deal of help from Richard Rinehart (won 5 yr old’s & 2nd in 6 yr old finals on chanel) & trainer aaron vale (her 1st job). Nice article tho, nice 2 learn more about Sarah, & at least Steve Wall got a thumbs up.

For a “journalist” her writing is ineffective and wrought with grammatical errors. While I get her point (she bred this horse and is responsible for world peace and has not gotten any credit and clearly now the Chronicle is now blacklisting her,) it is convoluted at best.

[2ht2hndl]

@Old Mac Donald

Comment by Amy Hunter:
Not sure why the chronically refuses credit to more American breeders & trainers, but chanel was bred by Amy Hunter of Ace Sport Horses @ Huntington farms in viroqua, WI (who brought Madison as a working student in2 the h-j world as a grand prix rider on stallion cradilo herself). & Madison also received a great deal of help from Richard Rinehart (won 5 yr old’s & 2nd in 6 yr old finals on chanel) & trainer aaron vale (her 1st job). Nice article tho, nice 2 learn more about Sarah, & at least Steve Wall got a thumbs up.

I saw this response on the Chronicle’s Facebook page. I was surprised that she still had not seen this thread or responded. Does anyone know if she has seen it? She also posted the following on her Facebook Page in response to the article about Chanel. “Got to love politics I’m the horse industry … not a single mention of the breeder, or multiple trainers that helped these two. Ah well … nice to see Cradilo & Charm get credit (& write up on Sarah). By the way guys, not one of her three full siblings sitting on this farm have any of those quirks … they are all dead easy & manageable in every way … even the 5 yr old stallion.”

[Texarkana]

Her anger would be better directed at USEF, USHJA, and the managers of almost all horse show management software which choose not to make the breeder’s information required or easily available.

COTH can’t write about the breeder if they don’t even know who the breeder is. It’s a serious problem for all breeders.

[Old_Mac_Donald]

I am wondering if she had the mare and chose the mating (and sold the resulting foal to the owner), or just stood the stallion. The article has a photo of Chanel (great name!!) as a bub, credited to the owner. Clearly the owner was involved from day dot. If you stand a stallion, but someone else owns and foals out the mare, are you still the breeder?

I bought a mare in foal (unexpectedly), and foaled her out. Who is the breeder? By definition, the SO chose to expose the mare (which she owned) to her stallion, so technically she arranged the breeding. However, I am pretty sure the registration papers have me as the breeder, because she was my mare when she foaled.