Just saw this ad for Aloha on WBs for Sale - touting new owner

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I wouldn’t want to post a pic of my mare either.[/QUOTE]

Gawd – if I posted a pic of one of my best broodmares you guys would rip her to shreds! :eek: Even the inspector called her “funky”. And I’ll be the first one to say if she ever starts producing babies that look like her, I’ll stop breeding her.’

But, just like a good broodie SHOULD do, she always produces better than herself…ALOT better. ALL her babies have been inspection winners, Gold Premium and in the Top 10 of the country for their foaling years. They routinely out-score foals by very fancy imported mares. The oldest is being looked at by some upper level dressage riders.

The “best to best” is a nice theory and not a bad place to start, but it certainly isn’t fool proof, nor is it the only way to produce quality. Plenty of horses produce better than themselves or even better than “the best”…and plenty of horses of high quality never produce anything as good as they are.

This is what makes breeding so challenging.

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I have NO dog in this fight whatsoever, but I am disgusted by some of these comments. I don’t know Aloha, nor have I ever met him in person. I have seen pictures and videos, just like I have seen pictures and videos of many stallions. IMO, from pictures and videos, Aloha is a very pretty horse, but that is ALL I CAN SEE, without meeting him in “person”. HOWEVER, if I understand it, he did “pass” the 70 day test, did he not? And isn’t that the be all and end all to many of the experts? So he must not be too bad?[/QUOTE]

I just re-read the thread and I didn’t find any comments that were way out of line. When any stallion fails to have a competition record themselves and neither do the offspring in sport, the stallion has not proven himself. Doesn’t mean he won’t but I believe most of the criticism came after a poster called everyone ignorant and said the sport horse breeding industry was in danger because everyone knew so little because they were not as in love with Aloha as he/she was. Then people called the poster out by pointing out this stallion or his offspring didn’t have a performance record, and a critic of his pedigree.
I wish the stallion and his new owners luck. Hope they do well with him.
But this is a breeding board and this is where people come to discuss the merits of horses and their abilities. Unfortunately, that can affect the owners but that is the thing with breeding sport horses, it should be about the animal and not about platitudes, that is how you get better sport horses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uraK3LGC88

I know NOTHING about Hunter breeding, sport, etc. In the video link above is that a good or bad example (or mediocre) of a hunter horse? What makes a good hunter horse? My understanding is limited to steady eddy & clean knees:)

I watch that video and thing, “Poor John”.

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I watch that video and thing, “Poor John”.[/QUOTE]

Why? If that was my horse, at his first show, I would be pretty happy with that. Clearly he is not a top hunter, but there was nothing horrible about those rounds ESPECIALLY considering they were his first time out.

He looked like a green horse to me that isn’t really a volunteer about anything. I noticed a few times past the in gate John had to snatch him pretty hard in the face on the inside.

Reminded me of those cheeky ponies that gallop down the lines headed toward the gate and will dip out the second they get a chance. :slight_smile:

Because if you can see John making any corrections, it means the horse is tough and when you can see him making that strong of a correction, he’s fighting with him. Guarantee with a less skilled rider that would have been pretty ugly. There’s nothing about that video that would make me go and look at that stallion again for breeding.

I think judging him on his first show only is a little silly. I thought John looked like he could have used roller skates but other than that it wasn’t too bad.

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So the confidence you have in your mare isn’t enough to weather any comments that might be made about her ?

If the opinions mean nothing to you (as you say) , then you wouldn’t care if she got attacked and a photo would be posted.

But I think you do care what people will say.

Post a picture or don’t; either way I just wish you had more confidence in your mare and your breeding decision.[/QUOTE]

I do have confidence in my mare. Which is why I continue to breed her. I don’t need to impress you or anyone else by posting some picture for ignorant, rude and judgemental people to criticize. She could be the most beautiful perfect mare with the best bloodlines and you would still put her down - because that is how you people are.

[QUOTE=horsi_2003@hotmail.com;7264686]
I do have confidence in my mare. Which is why I continue to breed her. I don’t need to impress you or anyone else by posting some picture for ignorant, rude and judgemental people to criticize. She could be the most beautiful perfect mare with the best bloodlines and you would still put her down - because that is how you people are.[/QUOTE]

People will not always agree with you. That doesn’t make them ignorant, rude, or judgemental.

THIS ^^^

A true breeder should always be the most critical person of their stock. Know what strengths you need to correct in the potential offspring. :no:

And, to keep up appearances, here is Peter Pletcher’s turn on the pony ride.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1363013763303

For those of you/us who are sticklers for grammar and proper usage, please note that breeding “the best to the best” would result in One. Solitary. Foal.

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Now you’re being a bully. Absolutely no one is required to post pictures and justify their breeding decisions.[/QUOTE]

My apologies that what I wrote sounded like a bully. That was not my intent at all.

Of course no one is required to post a photo, or defend their breeding decision.

The response by horsi_2003@hotmail.com regarding posting a photo was contradictory: Opinions matter (so no posting of the photo) yet opinions mean nothing (so no posting of the photo).

If one has confidence in their convictions, all the parts match.

No one owes anyone an explanation of why they don’t want to post a photo of their horse. But if they offer an explanation, and it doesn’t make sense, I’d like to figure it out so I understand it.

[QUOTE=horsi_2003@hotmail.com;7264686]
I do have confidence in my mare. Which is why I continue to breed her. I don’t need to impress you or anyone else by posting some picture for ignorant, rude and judgemental people to criticize. She could be the most beautiful perfect mare with the best bloodlines and you would still put her down - because that is how you people are.[/QUOTE]

As a mare owner I understand where you’re coming from. Except for the part about calling people “ignorant, rude and judgemental.”

You lose me there.

As the OP, I was merely browsing WBs4Sale and saw his ad. There had been some question in the past as to who “owned” him and this ad was in writing, so thought I’d post. Definitely wasn’t meant to start a downward spiral…

At least he’s being ridden and shown. Certainly not a championship winner at the moment but it didn’t look all that bad to me. Are we expecting more from him because of the publicity he’s been getting?

Congratulations to Pikturesque Farm on their purchase of their first stallion" Aloha " and thank you for having enough courage to be the only individuals prepared to step forward and invest not only in the purchase of this stallion but to also resolve the dispute that the previous owner had incurred at Silver Creek’s stallion testing facility. I am sure that Aloha thanks you to.

Now that I have invited myself to be a “house guest” I will continue with a few thoughts. It seems to have escaped the notice of most guests that post here that claim to be breeders and horse lovers that this outcome is a positive one. We are everyday exposed to the seedy underbelly of our passion but pay little notice, from the likes of JB,even unethical rescue facilities,cruel training methods that are practiced every day by the top performers of our sport.Why would I want to produce a horse that is capable of competing to an International level knowing what would have to be done to him to get there.? Within every discipline of our sport the horse is punished each and every day for not being good enough, for not living up to the expectations that we have for them. Lets dope them, lets wrap them, lets over flex them, lets burn their flesh with brand or chain to identify or extenuate the gait, steroids and hormones to make the yearling appear to be three,
same for the two and half year old stallions in Europe before their licencing.

Horsemanship and compassion has left us. Training without force is lost and the only way to find out that the horse is not capable is when we have broken him.We say little and do less. Aloha is not the best Stallion to have stood at stud, there are of course better and worst. A quick look at his progeny is encouraging, of course early days for they are just “line horses”. The same as all foals at breed inspections that are given a score and are labeled first or second premium by may I add, stud books that we pay to stroke us. I wonder if the critics and the bullies will be around if there is any success.

There is very little predictability within the breeding of Sport Horses, that’s what makes the challenge real and frustrating.Combine this with individual breeding goals and there will be a very wide divide in peoples opinions. This does not give us the right to be disrespectful to someone’s views and goals.

Thank you again Pikturesque. Enjoy your Stallion - his progeny show a good future. Already a filly by Aloha is tipped to win the Governor General’s Cup for the top three year old in Canada for 2014. Popeye K was past winner of this award. It is difficult but ignore the jealous and the bullies,they were no where to be seen when there were a couple of Stallions in need. Such a pity that you could not have included Romantic Star in your program. My apologies if I have offended the people that truly care, it was not my intention, for the others your cruelty is telling ,you know who you are.

Wow. Assume much?

I think she is spot on with her post. The piling on continues, even though the stallion is under new ownership. His kids aren’t old enough to be performance horses, yet clearly he is a dud and shouldn’t be a stallion. Because you don’t particularly like Aloha? Maybe he is a horse who really needs a consistent program to shine. Maybe he out produces himself. Who knows? Give him a chance. It is no matter to anyone else. This is the most judgmental board on COTH, with little to back it up.