The dressage forum is already more fun. Go Katie!
Youâre telling me!
I donât understand why some people are getting so defensive about this topic. Because SLC said that some people are just jealous (this is a real human emotion and something that drives a whole lot of negativity in the world, not just in the equestrian world), because she said dressage requires a different kind of mindset or focus than eventing and show jumping? Because some people said that there isnât nearly as much snobbism in dressage as some people would have you think? Because some people agreed with her? No where did she get nasty, or what I would percieve as nasty, perhaps a bit harsh and realistic.
Most people realize that not everyone can ride dressage and not everyone likes dressage. It is reality that it takes a different kind of person and a different kind of mindset to enjoy dressage. That is fine and dandy, I think we can all accept that but when people call other people snobs just because they arenât like them, well that is when I take offence and the only reason I even stepped into this thread.
I enjoy dressage. I really look forward to working my horse. I have fun at shows. Yes I am very serious when I am riding. I show because I enjoy it and when I show I absolutely am fully prepared. I will be much more satisfied riding a 65% 2nd level test than a 60% third level test - but that is just me and I donât care if anyone else is happy with that 60%. I recognize that I donât want to jump. I get nothing out of that kind of a thrill. I donât want to bungee jump or jump out of airplanes. Itâs just not me but that doesnât make me any less âfunâ than the person that does. My version of fun is just different from other peopleâs version of fun.
Actually, I canât imagine eventers and showjumpers giggly and laughing the whole time they are riding either. I canât imagine they would be taken very seriously if they were in a clinic with the Oâconners and were goofing off the whole time.
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Actually my comment was a joke!!!
Since you didnât get that i will explain that it was a joke made in reference to parents who lay the responsibilty for their own children at someone elseâs door.
KP is a celebrity and is financing her riding ambitions with the proceeds of selling herself as a product. Fathers, Sons, Brothers, Husbands in hordes BUY that product.Why does the stigma belong to her not them? The ONLY thing KP represents is the hypocricy of modern marketing and morality.
Meanwhile it is YOUR responsibilty as parent to bring up YOUR children, educate them, give them a strong sense of self worth, confidence, independance and all the other life skills they need. Presumably you wonât be doing such a lousy job that the only possible aspirational figure your children will choose are a Glamour model, and if you are, the existence of KP is frankly going to be the least of your problems.[/QUOTE]
Great post.
When KPâs riding ambitions were first reported in the media, I scoffed. I thought it was just a marketing gimmick to sell her products.
Now, while I doubt we would ever be best friends (though I could be surprised), I respect her. Sheâs making her way through this world in a different way than most horse people, but she appears to love horses and sheâs been involved for years. Unlike, for example Madonna, whoâs flirtation with the horsey life lasted a few years and now sheâs on to something else.
Go Katie!
Jenn, will you take one sugar or two with your cuppa?
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What I love about Katie Price infiltrating dressage, is that she sure will shake up a lot of mustie-dusties who donât believe she belongs in the sport.[/QUOTE]
You mean like what she tried to do in Britian with regard to the politics there? This is from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Politics
During the 7 June 2001, British General Election, Jordan ran as a candidate in Stretford and Urmston under her real name using the slogan: âFor a Bigger and Betta Futureâ. As part of her election campaign, which was intended to bring a little fun into a dull election, she promised free breast implants, increases on nudist beaches, and a ban on parking tickets.[8] In the end, Jordan won 713 votes,[9] 1.8% of the votes cast.
I just canât wait to see how she âshakes upâ dressage and makes it more fun for you all.:lol: Maybe she has a vendetta against the âestablishmentâ and this is her way of mocking it?
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You mean like what she tried to do in Britian with regard to the politics there? This is from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Politics
During the 7 June 2001, British General Election, Jordan ran as a candidate in Stretford and Urmston under her real name using the slogan: âFor a Bigger and Betta Futureâ. As part of her election campaign, which was intended to bring a little fun into a dull election, she promised free breast implants, increases on nudist beaches, and a ban on parking tickets.[8] In the end, Jordan won 713 votes,[9] 1.8% of the votes cast.
I just canât wait to see how she âshakes upâ dressage and makes it more fun for you all.:lol: Maybe she has a vendetta against the âestablishmentâ and this is her way of mocking it?[/QUOTE]
You do know anyone can edit Wikipedia so you really canât believe anything you find there.
If nothing else KP has proved herself to be clever at self publicity. How many of you in the USA would have even heard of her had it not been for her âOlympic dressage ambitionsâ? Now thanks to the debate on this and other forums you all know so much about her, even many of you are familiar with her clothing and horsey accessories line.
I have always thought of her as a bit of a SLC, as have most people in the UK. Well I guess in a way she still is. But at least now everyone on the COTH forum now know all about her pink line in clothing and horsey accessories, if you little heart so desires to get âthe KP lookâ you now know how to achieve it.
And if she wants to make it big time in dressage she would be better moving to the USA for more of a crack at the whip??? Look out there may be a KP coming to a town near you.:lol::lol::lol:
I have always thought of her as a bit of a SLC, as have most people in the UK.
A bit of a SLC?
Iâm dying here. Iâm sure that stands for something else, but thanks for the laugh! :lol:
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I think the tactic of exaggerating and distorting what I say and then ridiculing the distortions and exaggerations, which are all things that I never said, wouldnât even suggest are remotely true, and which I donât believe are true, probably doesnât lead to too much interchange of ideas. Nor does the âfu** offâ.
And instead of doing what I should do, which is not respond to such rudeness, here are some thoughts. I am, after all, waiting for the laundry to finish.
Sports psychology DOES have a lot to say about this, and you may, if you are open minded, read it.
I didnât say dressage requires focus and no other riding sport does. What I believe is that the nature and type of focus required is different, and I think people struggle with that. If I didnât say âdifferentâ enough times, mea culpa. Sports research suggests EACH sport is different and requires a somewhat different focus and type of mindset.
get a life slc2 all sports require you to be focused in what your doing be it ridden driven
or other wise â you out to compete as a compeditor with another compeditor
if you win its a bonus
people do what they do to enjoy the sport chosen from cricket to judo to
to footy to horse ridden and driven events
people trian people focus people succeed or they dont but they had a good time trying
to win or have won thats why its called sport
That they are not âhaving funâ, which is proven by their âtense, unsmilingâ facesâŠthis again goes back to a value judgment placed on other people, based on observing an outward appearance, you are assuming something about their inner world. You are, in fact, trying to judge and place value on a personâs inner world while you simply watch them ride from a distance.
get alife again people when competiting sometimes show an emotion called concentrating on what is before them
something of which you dont do nor understand
In fact, quite a few people get a frown on their face just because they are trying to focus on a lot of details. They would do that if they were at the office, or changing a tire, or looking at a menu at MacDonaldâs. It may not have a thing to do with whether they are âenjoyingâ it or not or whether itâs âfunâ to them.
again gernalising sernios of the norm - people buy food change tires fact of life
But to be perfectly honest, I havenât found that sportsmen/women in ANY sports are uniformly cheerful and funny, before, during or right after competitions.
some are as its away of relaxation before entry
some dont but again clumping people into sernerios opf your own thoughts
and again you dont compete so as a compeditor you havent a clue as to what each individual feels
most enjoy there sports and have fun doing it it they win they win if they dont
then they will back at the next one to try again
Too, I am not sure why dressage has to be such a âhootâ or be so much âfunâ. Do you want people to burst into song after they complete the 10 meter circle at X? High five their horse after their free walk on the diagonal? Shout out, âI know you were with me then, Lord!â after the transition?
no becuase as a sport dressage doesnt entertian the movement of your voice but rather the movements of your horse
They do want to do dressage, they do want to compete, but perhaps not because it really actually is a laugh a minute, more because they want to improve at it. Itâs a different kind of mindset.
acutally any sport has the same kinda mindset â its called focusing on what before you
and what you have been triaing to do
The odd thing about your argument is that I donât really recall a lot of eventers or show jumpers having a big happy smile on their face when theyâre trying to focus on a problem either. Very occasionally, I see an exultant or relieved look on a riderâs face after they clear an obstacle, but most of the time, itâs very brief or their expression changes not at all, and itâs on to the next problem.
concentration, on job in hand within ther chosen sport, but i will ad slc2 that i personally know
a lot of international showjumpers and eventers and your opnion is very wrong as it depnds how well you know one another, they are aprrox in the ring for 90secs maxium
which is skill riding dressage is part of that skill as what done on the ground is done in the air
In all the years Iâve photographed eventers and show jumpers and attended those shows, I canât for the life of me think of any PROOF that they smile a great deal more than dressage riders while they are riding. Thatâs why I said before, âThis is something you have decided you want to believeâ If you want to be negative about dressage shows, no one is going to be able to convince you of anything else.
and negativity comes in many forms and being as negative as you are in your post
then you wouldnt be any help to encourage new riders in to a sport such as dressage or any other
As far as the remarks about not competing, you donât compete either, so same could be said for you. It actually seems the real discussion is âEither you hate dressage shows as much as I do, or youâre a jerkâ, which just lacks a certain amount of necessary post-holiday cheer.[/QUOTE]
wether she does on not she has done so no comparsion to your goodself
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A bit of a SLC?
Iâm dying here. Iâm sure that stands for something else, but thanks for the laugh! :lol:[/QUOTE]
SLC = SAD LOWLIFE CELEB
âaspirationalâ
This, evidently is another COHism, and does not mean, âpertaining to inhalingâ.
yep, i invented itâŠin the same way that KPâs now husband invented the word âinsaniaâ on the reality tv show where they met. I could have used inspirational but that would have been so dull.
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If nothing else KP has proved herself to be clever at self publicity. How many of you in the USA would have even heard of her had it not been for her âOlympic dressage ambitionsâ? Now thanks to the debate on this and other forums you all know so much about her, even many of you are familiar with her clothing and horsey accessories line.
I have always thought of her as a bit of a SLC, as have most people in the UK. Well I guess in a way she still is. But at least now everyone on the COTH forum now know all about her pink line in clothing and horsey accessories, if you little heart so desires to get âthe KP lookâ you now know how to achieve it.
And if she wants to make it big time in dressage she would be better moving to the USA for more of a crack at the whip??? Look out there may be a KP coming to a town near you.:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
hahaha
So Jenn2674 is SLC? Somehow that does not surprise me. I wonder how many other âaltersâ she has.
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Youâre telling me!
I donât understand why some people are getting so defensive about this topic. Because SLC said that some people are just jealous (this is a real human emotion and something that drives a whole lot of negativity in the world, not just in the equestrian world), because she said dressage requires a different kind of mindset or focus than eventing and show jumping? Because some people said that there isnât nearly as much snobbism in dressage as some people would have you think? Because some people agreed with her? No where did she get nasty, or what I would percieve as nasty, perhaps a bit harsh and realistic.
negativity is born from being nagative read the posts again
Most people realize that not everyone can ride dressage and not everyone likes dressage. It is reality that it takes a different kind of person and a different kind of mindset to enjoy dressage. That is fine and dandy, I think we can all accept that but when people call other people snobs just because they arenât like them, well that is when I take offence and the only reason I even stepped into this thread.
riding a keybaord isnt ridng a horse is dressage or being at a show or event
I enjoy dressage. I really look forward to working my horse. I have fun at shows. Yes I am very serious when I am riding. I show because I enjoy it and when I show I absolutely am fully prepared. I will be much more satisfied riding a 65% 2nd level test than a 60% third level test - but that is just me and I donât care if anyone else is happy with that 60%. I recognize that I donât want to jump. I get nothing out of that kind of a thrill. I donât want to bungee jump or jump out of airplanes. Itâs just not me but that doesnât make me any less âfunâ than the person that does. My version of fun is just different from other peopleâs version of fun.
its called having fun in your chosen displine and your comments
are the same words quoted by katie price------- for her reasons of doing dressage
fun ----- people have the same verisons otherwise they wouldnt be on this forum
having fun with dressage or being a compeditor or a lesson or being at a clinic whatever
thats there verison of there chosen dispiline or hobby how much fun one has depends
on how much fun you make it
Actually, I canât imagine eventers and showjumpers giggly and laughing the whole time they are riding either. I canât imagine they would be taken very seriously if they were in a clinic with the Oâconners and were goofing off the whole time.[/QUOTE]
not whilse competing no they would be like anyone esle in any sport they would be
focused on the job in hand
but ring side amougst freinds and family then they to would have a giggle and be just as down to earth as any one else - clinics actually you can have a laugh
no ones different to you or me, they men and women the p and pooh and eat just like me
they arnt gods they are humans and humans make errors humans can win and humans can lose
no biggy its called life so enjoy it
My husband had a brief chat to the coursebuilder between jumps six and seven on his XC course (I think his exact words were âAwesome course, Andy!â as he went flying past), and he found time to grin and say âheâs going greatâ to his trainer, halfway through his SJ course. This was at SA Champs recently. One of my idols is Gail Foxcroft, one of our International Showjumpers. She often finds time to smile and laugh during her rounds, and her horse is always treated to a pat and whisper before her rounds, and gets to eat some grass on the way out of the arena.
My husband had a clear XC and SJ round that day and Gail has been competing at the top in SA for over thirty years.
Taking your sport seriously doesnât have to make you an automaton. I know that some people focus more than others. I know that nerves can be crippling. But, I have found that competitors with the best BMT are those who CAN have fun. Those are the competitors I aspire to : the ones who can be successful and have fun doing it.
Focus is part of being a good competitor. Focus without the ability to âpower downâ, however, is what leads to burnout. One of the techniques Iâve heard used by sports psychologists in getting athletes âin the zoneâ is a reminder of what it is they felt the first time they took part in a sport - that sheer thrill of shooting at goal, the feeling of soaring over a jump, of breaking from the starting blocks.
I think that if you make âfocusâ a purely intellectual thing, by âconcentratingâ, you will lose the ability to be a good rider. Focus needs to have a positive emotional component as well. Perhaps âfunâ isnât the right word for it, perhaps âenjoymentâ is.
I know that my best rides are the ones where I can revel in what I am feeling underneath me. And, when I look at the videos of those rounds, they are the ones when Iâm smiling - even if Iâm unaware that Iâm doing it. I have one in particular, where Iâm actually laughing as I go round.
Iâm sorry if it offends you that I am surprised that I see so little of this in dressage. I didnât say that you see NONE of it - Anky is an example of someone who is able to revel in the moment, I think - but I do think we donât see enough of it.
I wonder if some of the perceived differences in âfunâ are built into the showring rules. For instance, in the example of chatting with the course designer or talking to the coach while in the ring, use of voice and outside coaching is penalized in dressage. So, thatâs not really a dressage riderâs fault that we donât do such things.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/newsmakers/2166948.stm
Gives a little more insight. We have a long history of spoof election candidates the Raving Monster Looney Party has always been the nations favourite but is now sadly disbanded.
The links below are not for the fainthearted but they are daily newspapers in the uk and have circulation figures sufficient to pay KP enough to finance her horses.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/home/
www.sundaysport.com
www.dailysport.com
it would be so âtwo fingers to the establishmentâ (whoever they are-excuse me iâm a bit of an anarchist at heart) if she won the gold iâd laugh my backside off truely
If I had Katieâs money and opportunities (time, trainers etc) Iâd be doing exactly the same. The difference is my career choice would have meant that my right to do so was not highly scrutinised by people who think they are entitled to judge people they do not know, because unlike KP, my particular looks, talents and skills have meant I didnât become a high profile glamour model! Hers did.
Good on her for 1) being able to use her looks to create a successful business, 2) following her dream and 3) being steadfast in her passion enough to mix it up with a preceived elite sport.
I think many of the naysayers deep down wish they had her gumption, looks and spirit.
She looks really good at the moment, better as a brunette than a blonde. She seems like a nice person and should probably be admired for using what she has to succeed rather than being criticised. They are just boobs and if she wants to get them out to make a LOT of money, good on her. As for her cell phone usage, well who here hasnât done something in private that if it had been caught on tape and put on the internet wouldnât have put us into dubious territory too??? Oh, maybe the wrong forum to ask that question!! 
