Kelly Farmer Additional Suspension

[SnicklefritzG]

@Soaponarope

I assume in the same way all the other busted people do. They do well because they drug and that’s good for business because it wins them blue ribbons which sell horses. When they sell a horse they give the magic prep scrip to the new trainer to get the result they want in the showring. Look at the sharps containers in every show facility. They’re all full.

What’s the point of the sharps containers? Is it kind of like, well we know people are drugging their horses, but we also don’t want used needles and syringes around so let’s provide the disposal containers, etc to make sure we don’t get sued for needle stick injuries from trash left behind?

[vxf111]

Please don’t say her name three times while looking in the mirror, Snicklefritz!!! She’ll show up like Candyman

[Bent_Hickory]

Interesting perspective from a year ago long before the present case blew up:
https://www.phelpssports.com/doping-vs-fair-play/

[mvp]

@SnicklefritzG

What’s the point of the sharps containers? Is it kind of like, well we know people are drugging their horses, but we also don’t want used needles and syringes around so let’s provide the disposal containers, etc to make sure we don’t get sued for needle stick injuries from trash left behind?

I think it’s worth protecting poorly-paid human workers from needle sticks. Therein lies a legitimate reason for putting up sharps containers, beyond a mere CYA move on the part of show management.

[MischiefManaged]

@SnicklefritzG

What’s the point of the sharps containers? Is it kind of like, well we know people are drugging their horses, but we also don’t want used needles and syringes around so let’s provide the disposal containers, etc to make sure we don’t get sued for needle stick injuries from trash left behind?

There are also legitimate reasons that needles are being used at horse shows. There are medications that are legal and injectable (so long as you don’t do it within 12 hours of showing). Some people prefer to inject medications like Bute or Banamine rather than giving orally because they feel more sure that the horse got all the medication. Also, many of these horses live on the road for weeks or even months at a time, so they get routine maintenance like Adequan or Legend at the shows.

[vineyridge]

Wouldn’t it be better if all injections at horse shows had to be given by certified vet personnel, and that they be responsible for sharps disposal?

[Ghazzu]

@Köttbulle

I don’t know sounds pretty terrible to me… if you want to push on a horses pressure point why not figure a way to do it with something on the inside of the brow band? driving a staple into a horses forehead sounds pretty uncomfortable to me… and i was pretty appalled that a vet was doing it?! the worst thing i ever had a vet suggest to calm my spirited jumper was a beer before our class… i asked him for me or the horse? he said both if necessary… ;p

I suspect the “staple” in question is the typical skin staple used n place of suture thread. Not office supplies or building materials.

[skydy]

Mary Babick continues to be a credit to the sport. http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/a-year-later-we-need-to-show-our-integrity-in-all-that-we-do

[neigh]

@mvp

I think it’s worth protecting poorly-paid human workers from needle sticks. Therein lies a legitimate reason for putting up sharps containers, beyond a mere CYA move on the part of show management.

Medical waste cannot be disposed of in landfills like regular trash. It has to disposed under very specific regulations.

[Jumphigh83]

But without the proper disposal method you can bet the sharps will in the trash, hence the need for sharps container. I’m absolutely not in favor of only vets giving injectables… Another layer of expense on an already cost prohibitive sport. Not every injectable is a a “drug” per se, or a banned substance.

[Jumphigh83]

@Limerick2017

And Sample A tested positive for GABA, Sample B tested positive for GABA and Sample B (2) tested positive for GABA. I wish someone at USEF would explain what went wrong-was it something with the machine due to a human error? I read the transcript and it seemed to me like USEF followed testing protocol. They even had someone from Racing Commission state that things were done correctly.

So what they are testing for ought to be the metabolites of the forbidden substances not the forbidden substance itself. You can contaminate an improperly handled sample with the drug itself but it would be damn near impossible to contaminate it with the metabolites thereof.

[Mara]

I have to say, it’s rather gratifying to see that Kelley hasn’t exactly taken WEF by storm in the first couple of weeks. Whether that’s because she’s riding everything clean or some other reason I don’t know, but she’s not owning the pro divisions as in the past.

[Tackpud]

@Jumphigh83

So what they are testing for ought to be the metabolites of the forbidden substances not the forbidden substance itself. You can contaminate an improperly handled sample with the drug itself but it would be damn near impossible to contaminate it with the metabolites thereof.

That is correct - they test for the metabolites, not the specific substance.

[neigh]

@Mara

I have to say, it’s rather gratifying to see that Kelley hasn’t exactly taken WEF by storm in the first couple of weeks. Whether that’s because she’s riding everything clean or some other reason I don’t know, but she’s not owning the pro divisions as in the past.

I’d bet money that she isn’t riding clean NOR are the people who are beating her.

[Kottbulle]

@Ghazzu

I suspect the “staple” in question is the typical skin staple used n place of suture thread. Not office supplies or building materials.

I’m sure it is, but still not sure how that makes it any better. If your horse isn’t calm enough to do the hunters, find it another Ring to show in. Or maybe looks for other reasons why the horse is so unhappy or not doing what you are asking it to do.

[Ghazzu]

@Köttbulle

I’m sure it is, but still not sure how that makes it any better. If your horse isn’t calm enough to do the hunters, find it another Ring to show in. Or maybe looks for other reasons why the horse is so unhappy or not doing what you are asking it to do.

I’m not arguing in favor of the use of staples to circumvent a drug rule. Merely pointing out that skin staples aren’t a savage procedure. As a roofing staple into the flesh might be.

[findeight]

Couple of things…

Sharps containers are required in most public places…think it’s under the ADA regulations…and possibly OSHA bio hazard disposal protocol. It’s not the fault of the containers, removing them would require waivers from various govt agencies, disadvantage those who use them for legit reasons, like diabetics and vets, and result in syringes and used needles ending up in landfills or crushed on the ground around the barns…actually that happens now anyway. Pigs.

Other thing is it’s Chain of Custody with drug testing samples. Custody, as in anybody handling them in any way has to sign off. Several have called it Chain of Command…it’s tracking everybody who touches it. Probably started as a spell wreck correction but it’s been repeated often, Its a very good term and procedure to be aware of if you ever get drug tested or even have medical tests run that could be contaminated by sloppy handling or accidentally switched. After all, not following proper chain of custody has helped some pretty famous criminal cases get thrown out. Put some innocents in jail too.

[Janet]

In one of the statements (I think in the COTH article about the USEF Vet Committee meeting) it said that .

The records show that the “B” sample was put in freezer X.

The records show that the “B” sample was taken out of freezer Y for testing.

There is no record of the “B” sample being moved from freezer X to freezer Y.

So no proper chain of custody.

There may have also been something funny about the way in which the “B” sample was thawed, or otherwise prepared for testing.

[Bent_Hickory]

@BeeHoney

It actually makes a lot of sense to me that KF did not attend the hearing. The repeated excuses and claims of innocence and accusations of sabotage and maltreatment by others are wearing thin …

For those who insist that “sabotage” is just another excuse that only cheaters make: https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2018/01/26/top-showjumping-horses-nobbled-world-cup-qualifier/

[rockonxox]

@Bent Hickory

For those who insist that “sabotage” is just another excuse that only cheaters make: https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2018/01/26/top-showjumping-horses-nobbled-world-cup-qualifier/

Is anyone really saying that sabotage is only a claim that cheaters make? Even the quoted post you used states “repeated excuses”. This (KF) situation is not a one time deal like the what occurred in the article you posted. Sorry, but years worth of issues and more than one violation hearing… it’s not a conspiracy against you. Follow the damn rules.