OK. Type in his name here; https://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm
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It’s not necessary to fill in the dam etc… just the horse’s name.
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I’m not Skydy but some insight:
At this moment in time, he’s by a $7,500 sire on his first crop of 3 year olds out of a family who has produced strong fillies in Canada but no sires and not a lot of success in graded company.
Winning the Kentucky Derby is a big deal, but there have also been a lot of long shot winners (and even favorites) who flunked out of the breeding shed.
He will definitely have value as a sire, but maybe not a big enough value to keep him in Kentucky. Offers from overseas may be more lucrative than what KY farms are willing to negotiate.
But time will tell: plenty could change between now and when he goes to the shed. He could keep winning major races, which would definitely add to his value. Keen Ice’s other runners could start winning big races, making Rich Strike more desirable. The female family could be reinvigorated with more graded stakes winners.
The 3x2 cross to Smart Strike may factor into some people’s decisions, but likely won’t be a deal breaker if he ends up ticking all the other boxes. But right now he’s barely ticking any boxes; without this derby win, no one would even be talking about his stallion prospects, so he needs to prove Saturday wasn’t a fluke to get more respect.
Here’s the PQ link since everyone is having trouble with Equineline: https://www.pedigreequery.com/rich+strike4
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His sire has Mr. Prospector through Smart Strike. His Dam has Mr. Prospector through Smart Strikeand a full brother to Mr. Prospector.
I’d wouldn’t breed a mare to him that wasn’t an outcross. That’s just me. I don’t breed racehorses but I have worked for some very good TB sport horse breeders and this is not the breeding that makes a successful stallion without an outcross , especially in this day and age with the ubiquitous Native Dancer/Mr Prospector.
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He was even cheaper than Charismatic.
@WNT,
I suspect the outrider would have loved to. Move their feet, or keeping a horse moving forward is not exactly a training secret with racing people. I think the outrider was waiting for the crowd to clear on the track so he had a safe path to take the horse through.
The camera never panned out to show it, but unlike pretty much any other race, even the big stakes races, there are a TON of people out on the track after the Derby, many of them non horse people.
I would NOT want the job of escorting a hot third year old colt through that mess.
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Honestly, after watching a replay of the video when the horses were being led in to get saddled, I thought it was a miracle nobody got kicked in the head or trampled before the race even started.
The number of people who were right/there by the horses and completely oblivious to them as they were making their way to the saddling area with their handlers was just unreal.
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I remember that War Emblem was well known for biting. All of the interviewers were warned to stay out of striking distance, including when Katie Couric was talking to the trainer right by the horse, and he had to keep telling her to move back.
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This video from Sunday shows some parts that I had already seen, plus the horse getting on the truck later that morning.
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Clueless person racing question - If you win one of the triple crown races you are automatically entered in the other races?
Yeah, when watching this back, was reminded of personal experiences trying to handle upset, excited youngsters not amped up to race plus a few cagey old stinkers and kind of getting “ stuck”, if you will, trying to sort things out in a few seconds without getting killed. Couple of times couldn’t even let them go for fear when I let go if their head, they’d spin and kick me in the face ( saw that once, kid turning one out, it got excited, spun when released and kicked her teeth into her sinus cavity).
Every time somebody asks “Why didn’t outrider just do xxxx?” Wonder how they would control a horse they were riding being savaged, trying to flee or defend itself while leading the attacker chewing on their leg? Free the attackers head so he can really rip away, spin and double barrel kick the ever loving snot out you and your horse? Or run off to attack the large selection of other amped up young stallions and assorted humans. What would they choose? Oh, and they only have a minute to choose what to do, cant review it on tape before deciding.
Same thing with what the jockey should have done. Guess they have never sat in a racing saddle with their knees in their chin. Its not like stopping a naughty school Pony. Imagine the emotional shock of just winning the Derby was still soaking in as well.
It very much looks like outrider was trying to move the mess forward but had his hands very full for the first minute or so, like, you know, trying to stay on.
Funny story from years ago not racing related. Trainer had a very good QH breeding stallion, gal brings a mare in to breed, mare was wrapped and receptive, stallion ready and very professional. They position the mare alongside the barrier, owner lady holding the shank on the other side. Stud flirts for a moment then goes up to mount. Owner lady screams “ Hes trying to kill me” drops the shank and runs out of the pen screaming “ he’s killing her, he’s killing her”.
Guess for all her expertise, she never saw or thought about how the deed actually gets done. True story, really. I arrived just as owner ran out the gate in tears screaming.
Oh, despite the hysterical woman dropping the shank and running off, stallion completed the task and mare ignored the drama.
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no the races are separate
There have been in the past Derby winners that have been entered into the other two races at a premium price, to keep the chance of the crown alive.
There is a reason the Preakness has the smallest field.
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It seems that most of the time the answer is, “well I would’ve taken the time to train him so he doesn’t act like that.” As if waving a carrot stick at him in the round pen and feeding him cookies when’s he a good boy will keep him from turning into 1200lbs of testosterone-soaked aggression when he’s just run a race and is surrounded by people and chaos.
“Well it worked for my horse, he never acts like that! And he’s a [rescue/OTTB/was abused by his last trainer/insert other reason they think their 10yo gelding is sooooo much harder to handle than a wound-up 3yo colt]. Read up on [insert name of salesman who convinces beginning horse owners he reinvented horse training despite doing the exact same thing people have been doing for decades], his approach is so much different and better.”
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My guess is all those people with the answers would have just froze in the moment and then left the scene probably by letting go of the colt, getting unseated and dumped on the track and then running away from the whole deal.
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I saw one thread on FB where someone was asking what kinds of foundation racehorses had…like teaching of giving to pressure and bending…and why didn’t this colt have a better foundation.
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The pedigree does make me go…“huh?” 3x2 inbreeding is rare; it happens, but the unstated industry standard is at least 3x3 to an ancestor, but most often 3x4 or 4x4.
My cynical side thinks this mating wasn’t looked at and planned with utmost attention to detail. Two possibilities: “Hey cool, let’s do what we can to pump up Keen Ice’s book and let him cover this black type producer so it makes him look better.” Or, alternatively, they wanted to breed Gold Strike to someone else, but the other stallion was booked solid the day she needed covered, but Oh by the way, Keen Ice is available today, so let’s just take her to him. It happens more than you would think, especially when the farm owns the mare & the stallions involved.
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That’s exactly what I suspected. “This mare is ready to go…”
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Kind of hard to bend the ribcage around your leg or push it out in a race saddle. Amazed at when they can do in their AM schools, little side to side, lead changes and such, broker then people think. Because people don’t get around much to experience handling competition horses or been around young stallions anywhere. Kid gloves sometimes have to come off to avoid somebody really getting hurt, or worse.
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or curtain #3: they had a tete-a-tete behind the barn…
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I just don’t understand nwhy people can’t see that the training is different than the training that other two yr olds in other disciplines. Why is this a hard concept?
It really is a moot point because this situation wasn’t really in my mind related to his training. Horses sometimes do unpredictable things. Especially young amped up ones. And those who haven’t witnessed this are lucky or just haven’t been around horses much.
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