I might be getting this horse in the near future and was curious what this pedigree might suggest to those more familiar/knowledgeable with dutch breeding than myself. I think he is a pretty nice horse though I’ve not actually seen him in person yet.
Hi!
This sounds like a very nice horse who is very well bred! He has dressage bloodlines on top and on bottom that come from two of the largest Dutch Warmblood breeders in the US - Ironspring Farm in Coatesville, PA, and DG Bar Ranch, in Hanford, CA.
This 2007 gelding (Dutch Horses are named alphabetically by year. 2007 is the C year, so he’s going to be 5) is by dressage sire UB40, who was born in Holland and imported by Mary Alice Malone, owner of Ironspring Farm. Ironsprings Farm breeds DWBs for dressage.
The dam, Verite DG was bred by DG Bar Ranch. DG Bar Ranch breeds DWBs for dressage. Her sire, Contester, is a KWPN-NA approved Holsteiner stallion, who competed at FEI (I1?) until his untimely death, maybe 4 years ago?
Godiva, the maternal grand dam, is an old fashioned KWPN (Dutch Warmblood) mare who is of 3/4 Gelderlander (old fashioned) blood, appears to be imported?. Her sire, Volckmar, was imported by DG Bar Ranch. He competed at FEI levels.
There is a poster on here named Seigi (?) who has a nice broodmare who is out of Godiva. She might be able to tell you more about the Godiva line.
On paper, this sounds like a very nice horse, and based on these bloodlines I would expect him to have a correct exterior and to have 3 correct gaits. Do you do dressage or jumping? Even though he is dressage bred, he likely is also a very good jumper, or maybe even a hunter. If he is not yet but that is the discipline that you want to train him, he should be capable. H/J’s need to have excellent hind ends, just like dressage horses. 
Good luck and keep us posted as to if you get him! Of course, you’ll have to post pictures!
Thank you, we do mainly dressage, eventing and some show jumping—but not so much hunters. Our plan at the moment is to give him some time to develop his body and basic training and likely start him in dressage before testing him over any fences. I am very interested in hearing about the female family and any other UB 40’s in sport.
bump! just giving this one more shot…anybody?
goodpony, IMO that’s a dressage horse (of course this opinion is worth little beyond what I have discovered doing my own shopping). There are some jumping lines (the Holsteiner) but UB40 is a dressage sire as is the dams damline. I would talk to Deb Harrison if you know her, she is a big fan of UB40 offspring and used him extensively from 2010 to present after seeing his offspring at the KWPN inspections. When I went down to her farm I got an earful about him. I did see some of her weanlings by him at that time and was impressed. But I did not get the impression that he would sire a jumper.
I have known of a couple Coctail and Jazz offspring and they were nice, sensitive dressage horses that did not have a good jump.
There is an online video of the dam here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6qSJoCnvw
And of course lots of pictures and video of UB40
http://www.ironspringfarm.com/stallions/ub40/videos/1083
Certainly if you want something that jumps you have to look at the individual. Who knows, the jumper blood might really come through. Can you see him jump?
Yes I saw the video of the mom–she looks like a kind mare–one that I would enjoy–at least tolerate my amateur butt. I suspect he can probably jump (a little!) but I don’t think he is very far along in his training–I DO know he was professionally started (by a dressage trainer/competitor) and that for a time the mother was either owned or produced by another well respected pro.
I also found this of him as a foal (he’s cute but I can’t tell much from the video as he is so young and leggy–he looks correct enough! from what I can see): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh0tDnpo2x8
Can you do a scorecheck on any family members on Centerline?
yes I checked them out–the female family seems to have some talent and well dad has been very successful. Im not looking for a critique–mainly just interested in hearing more about those bloodlines as I know very little about Dutch Breeding Lines. I do think the breeding was a pretty good match with the more modern stallion over what looks like a nice solid mare.
Hi, just saw this thread and yes, I’m pretty familiar with the dam line of this horse. It is Gelderlander on the bottom through Tolinda/Oran and then half TB with Volckmar, with the top being all Holsteiner through Contester.
I still have a Godiva daughter - Kadence Keur Preferent by Wanroij - and also knew and have bred to Contester, so I think you can expect both jumping and dressage abilities from the mother line even though most (if not all) offspring that had careers had them in dressage.
With UB40 on the top I would expect some jumping talent as well… not because of the Jazz background (Jazz couldn’t jump very well at all! :)), but from the Trakehner relatives like Michelangelo, Matador and Pasteur.
So yes, you will probably have a multi-talented youngster who should be able to do a little bit of everything.
Good luck with him!
He sounds awesome!
I’m kind of excited to meet him! According to my husband who has met him he is very long lined and modern type-and black which is a bonus in my book! If he doesn’t want to jump its perfectly fine by me as I would like an upper level prospect for dressage Anyhow thank you all who responded. As a breeder Im always very interested in pedigrees.
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Well based on his pedigree you might just get that! Congrats btw, like I said I was super impressed with the UB40 youngsters I saw and I have heard good things, enough that I am always interested in hearing about them.
I think pedigree is a interesting thing. I am looking at a 5 years old KWPN that I know of through friends of friends and she is ALL GP jumping bloodlines, the best of the best. She free jumps a 10. But funny enough she’s not taking to jumping under saddle and love dressage work. So you just never know.
Just another Dutch mutt. 
I’ll take him.
I have a KWPN registered gelding bred in Holland, sired by a Sir Holtrup, Oldenburg (by Silvio, Holsteiner, with Feiner Stern, Hanovarian on the bottom.) His KWPN dam is by Ubis (Selle Francais). There is considerable jumper in that pedigree, but he’s a dressage horse and turning out to have more talent for it every day.
We free-jump him fairly often, and he’s flat and lazy over anything up to 3. But go to 4 or more and I swear, he could jump the freakin’ moon. I have this recollection of putting up the poles to 4’3, watching him thunder into the chute, and looking UP at the little white spot on his belly as he just seemed to hang in the air over it. I’m 5’6 so he must have been over-jumping to at least 6 feet, for the fun of it.
I am the breeder of the KWPN NA 2011 Reserve Champion Dressage gelding. He is by UB40 out of my Contester/Wanroij mare. They gave him a 9 for his trot at the keuring. He is also competitive in the Open Dressage classes. UB40’s approved son Apache has consistantly received 10’s on his trot in Holland. It is sucessful cross and is similar to the Jazz/Contango cross that is so popular in Holland. Sounds like a super dressage prospect.
Congratulations on your colt!
Im curious to know how you see these (or similar lines) maturing—Im just a little concerned that at rising 5 he may have a lot (or a little more growing) to do? He is already a big boy. I guess what Im asking is with some lines at least they appear to be ready for more earlier rather than later–we intend to simply take it as it comes for this season. But I don’t think it hurts to ask since some warmblood lines are known to be a little slower to develop than others–and most often well worth waiting for.
My UB 40 is a 5 yr. old seems to be done growing. He still needs to mature physcially. He is slender and will put on muscle as he gets older. This is typical of his mother, and grandmothers offspring. They are generally very thoroughbred like as young horses. He is showing 1st level and schooling
2nd level. He is easy to ride and very trainable.
So with those bloodlines you could have dressage, hunter, jumper, and/or an eventer.
UB40 is a fantastic mover with Jazz and Aktion in his background (dressage bloodlines). He also has Farn on the topside and bottomside (under Volckmar) - Farn is in Wolfgang’s background and Wolfgang, a jumper, who also throws great movers for dressage.
Contender is a great jumper as is Landgraf.
Thank you, that is a very interesting pedigree connection(especially with respect to jumping blood)! I think I’m getting just a little more excited every day!
I’ll chime in! I am the owner of the full brother to Contester (Contester II) and I have to say the bloodline is loaded with talent. These bloodlines can take you wherever you want to go, a great example of sporthorse breeding. Contester II and his full brother’s pedigree scream jumpers but when you look at the movement and the brain it says FEI Dressage! Contester II is showing I2 this year and has done very well in the the dressage arena. UB40 has also done well as producer of dressage horses. I love these bloodlines! I don’t think you could go wrong with this one.
Good luck!
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Well based on his pedigree you might just get that! Congrats btw, like I said I was super impressed with the UB40 youngsters I saw and I have heard good things, enough that I am always interested in hearing about them.
I think pedigree is a interesting thing. I am looking at a 5 years old KWPN that I know of through friends of friends and she is ALL GP jumping bloodlines, the best of the best. She free jumps a 10. But funny enough she’s not taking to jumping under saddle and love dressage work. So you just never know.[/QUOTE]
I know of a UB40 (who the f… Named that horse?) foal…probably coming 2 who was bred for dressage and for sale by one of the coth bloggers, Lauren Sprieser. The foal is here in Virginia.
