A few quick questions for the KWPN folks - does the registry ever inspect stallions in North America anymore? Where and when do these inspections usually take place? Also, over the past 10-15 years or so, how many stallions have they licensed in NA?
I dont think there have been any KWPN stallions that received approval in a loooong time. Guessing the last one was Popeye K? They are all mostly imported already approved from NL.
Inspections are few and far between. Also, they dont accept the NA 70 day test, so the only option for a US bred KWPN stallion is US sport results and for most stallions that takes such a long time.
The numbers of NA approved stallions is sadly dwindling.
The KWPN does inspect Stallions, if you have one to present, you are urged to contact the office so he can be seen at an appropriate site.
The stallion Bosch Blue was imported from Holland after making it through the early rounds of stallion selection, and granted a preliminary stallion approval on one of the NA Tours. Last I heard, he is currently undergoing testing to earn his final approval.
We do need more options in the US, but the KWPN has stringent selection criteria, and the breeder base here is smaller than some of the other groups.
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The KWPN does inspect Stallions, if you have one to present, you are urged to contact the office so he can be seen at an appropriate site.
The stallion Bosch Blue was imported from Holland after making it through the early rounds of stallion selection, and granted a preliminary stallion approval on one of the NA Tours. Last I heard, he is currently undergoing testing to earn his final approval.
We do need more options in the US, but the KWPN has stringent selection criteria, and the breeder base here is smaller than some of the other groups.[/QUOTE]
As it stands right now, the only option for someone with a US bred KWPN stallion prospect is to either get approval in the US through sport results or send it to NL for approval.
If you have a KWPN Harness book stallion you can present it for licensing by bringing to to a keuring and showing it in hand and in harness, then in subsequent years showing offspring and presenting the stallion in harness each year. A licensed KWPN Harness book stallion in North America gets regular foalbook papers for its North American foals. I understand that if a breeder in Holland would like to use a North American licensed stallion the foal would get Register a papers.
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The KWPN does inspect Stallions, if you have one to present, you are urged to contact the office so he can be seen at an appropriate site.
The stallion Bosch Blue was imported from Holland after making it through the early rounds of stallion selection, and granted a preliminary stallion approval on one of the NA Tours. Last I heard, he is currently undergoing testing to earn his final approval.
We do need more options in the US, but the KWPN has stringent selection criteria, and the breeder base here is smaller than some of the other groups.[/QUOTE]
Im in the process of finding a stallion for a mare I am breeding, she’s a premium KWPN-NA mare and it’s so hard to find a stallion thats baby will be eligible for registry. There are some but very slim. 
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As it stands right now, the only option for someone with a US bred KWPN stallion prospect is to either get approval in the US through sport results or send it to NL for approval.[/QUOTE]
Please re- read my statement that you quoted. Your statement following mine is not accurate.
The KWPN - NA is aware they need more stallions in the US, and they are trying to make that happen here.
The stallion I referenced above is not in Holland, he is in N. America and the KWPN will be sending over officials to view him HERE so that he may complete his final approvals, in N. America.
Bart Henstra, one of Keuring Jury members for the US has recently been appointed to the Stallion Approval committee in Holland, so we do have judges capable of approving stallions; if there are some presented that the Jury finds acceptable.
How they attain final approval is a work in progress.
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Im in the process of finding a stallion for a mare I am breeding, she’s a premium KWPN-NA mare and it’s so hard to find a stallion thats baby will be eligible for registry. There are some but very slim. :([/QUOTE]
Here is the KWPN’s Registration chart,
http://kwpn-na.org/display/files/Registration_Chart_2012.pdf
If your mare is VB/Stb. (Foalbook/Studbook), follow the first column down to see what your options are for registration. If she is bred to a stallion that is either Erkend (Acceptable), or who has approval from an Erkend studbook, her foals can have Register A papers from the KWPN. Register A foals can be shown at the keurings, and may move up to the Studbook as adults if they pass the required guidelines. Register B foals still get papers and DNA’ed, they just are not eligible to participate in the Keurings, or move up to the studbook without meeting certain qualifications.
Horses in VB/STb, Register A and Register B are issued a registration certificate, DNA typed and are eligible for year end awards.
It can be a little confusing, so If you need further clarification or specific details on your mare or stallion choice, please call the office, I am sure they will help you! :yes:
Thanks for the info - it is as I thought. So if one is looking at a super nice stallion colt in Holland, the chances of him being approved by the official NA division of his birth registry are slim and none. The client is also looking in Germany, and since those colts do have a chance of being approved in NA by their birth registry or its daughter organization, it is highly likely the Germans will get her business. 
DY, that is NOT what I said.
The KWPN does have strict requirements and certain ideas of what bloodlines they want to add and maintain to their books (Why is this such a bad thing to people?) , so if the colt is an exceptional individual, with good pedigree and mareline, and remains so into his adulthood, he may be accepted as a candidate in the US.
And, going forward, they are hoping, and trying to provide Stallion owners an option in N. America to have their liscensed stallions earn their final approval.
Go to the website
http://kwpn-na.org/keuring/approval.php
and read for yourself.
There’s also another page that lists all the approved stallions currently available in the US.
Thanks for posting that Siegi.
…another KWPN question…I am north of the border in Canada where the only fresh non-Erkend stallion I can find is Ikoon…does the stallion owner of a Hanoverian Verband stallion (such as Sir Wanabi for example) have to activate them with KWPN to have the offspring eligible for Register A? Fortunately most of the Canadian Hanoverian stallions are Verband instead of AHS…
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…another KWPN question…I am north of the border in Canada where the only fresh non-Erkend stallion I can find is Ikoon…does the stallion owner of a Hanoverian Verband stallion (such as Sir Wanabi for example) have to activate them with KWPN to have the offspring eligible for Register A? Fortunately most of the Canadian Hanoverian stallions are Verband instead of AHS…[/QUOTE]
IME, no they do not.
More information here:
http://kwpn-na.org/breeding/foals.php
Let me be clear - this is someone who believes if a stallion isn’t good enough for his birth registry, he isn’t good enough to be a stallion. So, while KWPN may be aware they need more stallions in NA, and they may be looking to change things, the track record does not appear conducive enough for this particular person to spend mega bucks in Holland on the OFF chance their horse will get approved here by KWPN - and especially since the requirements for final approval are a “work in progress”.
So, for this particular buyer, it will make more sense to shop in Hannover or Oldenburg, etc., which DO have decent track records for approving stallions in NA, and whose requirements for lifetime approval are already in place. It just seems it is too risky trying to bring in a KWPN stallion colt in HOPES he will get licensed, and in HOPES the requirements for lifetime approval will make sense.
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Please re- read my statement that you quoted. Your statement following mine is not accurate.
The KWPN - NA is aware they need more stallions in the US, and they are trying to make that happen here.
The stallion I referenced above is not in Holland, he is in N. America and the KWPN will be sending over officials to view him HERE so that he may complete his final approvals, in N. America.
Bart Henstra, one of Keuring Jury members for the US has recently been appointed to the Stallion Approval committee in Holland, so we do have judges capable of approving stallions; if there are some presented that the Jury finds acceptable.
How they attain final approval is a work in progress.[/QUOTE]
My statement is absolutely accurate. I know about the horse you referenced. I know he was recently imported. He will have to meet approvals through sport now. He can not get approvals in the US via the NA 70 day test since the KWPN does not accept the results for their registry.
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Let me be clear - this is someone who believes if a stallion isn’t good enough for his birth registry, he isn’t good enough to be a stallion. So, while KWPN may be aware they need more stallions in NA, and they may be looking to change things, the track record does not appear conducive enough for this particular person to spend mega bucks in Holland on the OFF chance their horse will get approved here by KWPN - and especially since the requirements for final approval are a “work in progress”.
So, for this particular buyer, it will make more sense to shop in Hannover or Oldenburg, etc., which DO have decent track records for approving stallions in NA, and whose requirements for lifetime approval are already in place. It just seems it is too risky trying to bring in a KWPN stallion colt in HOPES he will get licensed, and in HOPES the requirements for lifetime approval will make sense.[/QUOTE]
Just because the KWPN does not have a good program to approve KWPN stallions in the US doesn’t necessarily mean you shouldn’t consider buying and importing a nice stallion worthy KWPN colt. There are other registries that are willing to license and approve a worthy sport stallion. And good stallions are usually approved for breeding in multiple registries.
You may be right.
And Just the Best is also approved.
From his website:
"When presented to the Dutch registry of North America (KWPN-NA) as a weanling, Just The Best was rated First Premium, First of First Premiums and Top Ten in all of North America. He is now an official KWPN-NA Dutch Hunter Foundation Sire and was THE FIRST horse to earn this prestigious title. "
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Just because the KWPN does not have a good program to approve KWPN stallions in the US doesn’t necessarily mean you shouldn’t consider buying and importing a nice stallion worthy KWPN colt. There are other registries that are willing to license and approve a worthy sport stallion. And good stallions are usually approved for breeding in multiple registries.[/QUOTE]
Read the first line of my comment above -
“this is someone who believes if a stallion isn’t good enough for his birth registry, he isn’t good enough to be a stallion.”
Her money, her risk, her decision.
Olivier was approved KWPN via his sporting results I believe
