I went back and read every single post of the OP wrote in this thread and I couldn’t even glean a teeny tiny bit of what you have come up with, and I must say I am impressed! So impressed I would like to talk to you about some upcoming bets I’d like to place on the Derby and the Superbowl because if you are correct you could totally be my new best friend! 
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DY ,
I had the same experiences, KWPN thumbing their noses is a great way to put it.
It sounds like your friend has moved on from the Dutch stallions, but in my opinion, if they are that high quality, the US registry that they are approved under would not make any difference to US breedes (most anyways).
However I must say that in my case I really wanted to get approved under the KWPN NA registry because it would mean the Dam in NL would receive predicates and the breeders are good friends of mine. They are trying to create a nice Dam line for the other offspring they have bred. The jury in NL that inspected my stallion had very positive things to say about him. He was top scorer at that particular location and received Ster. He received top scores for trot, canter and jump.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity, did you present your stallion to the jury here? What breeding direction- dressage or jumper?
I find it admirable that you are interested in promoting and furthering the heritage of his damline.
He certainly looks like an attractive horse, and has a nice pedigree, did you pursue any breeding approvals with him?
I think there are many good concerns brought up here, but many of the people needing to know this feedback dont frequent the message boards, and as Siegi posted out, the Keuring Tour is in process- making some of the people to contact not as available as they normally are.
Perhaps it would be better to voice your concerns to the Members/Stallion committees?
Just a thought…
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Out of curiosity, did you present your stallion to the jury here? What breeding direction- dressage or jumper?
I find it admirable that you are interested in promoting and furthering the heritage of his damline.
He certainly looks like an attractive horse, and has a nice pedigree, did you pursue any breeding approvals with him?
I think there are many good concerns brought up here, but many of the people needing to know this feedback dont frequent the message boards, and as Siegi posted out, the Keuring Tour is in process- making some of the people to contact not as available as they normally are.
Perhaps it would be better to voice your concerns to the Members/Stallion committees?
Just a thought…[/QUOTE]
Sixpound,
I have not presented him to the NA jury yet. He was presented to the NL jury, which as I found out doesn’t transfer over. I will have to start all over again with him. So I am going after the low hanging fruit first. And he is also going to be out every year competing.
I have not specifically expressed frustration to the stallion committee, quite frankly I had some email exchanges with the front office that led to frustration, ei no specific guidance on the process, and really condescending attitude. This was a little over a year ago, before any 21 day test option. I admit I have short fuse for bad customer service and there are other options here. I just found my last email exchange which ended with a comment that they need to be more helpful to stallion owners going through the process.
I am a member of the KWPN NA and will still pursue the approval with them in the future. It will hopefully be done through meeting the sport requirements.
Kind of a timely discussion for me -
I’ve done the stallion owners route before… bought one at 6 months, raised, trained, started and showed him all myself. A real standout at the horse shows, I am always getting asked questions about him… great canter, textbook bascule at the jumps yet he still only got 2 breedings in 3 years of standing him. Alot of time, energy and finances went into him - but I ultimately gelded him in favor of a sports career in the hunter ring. I did present him at 3 different stallion approvals - one LOVED him and he was the highest scoring stallion that year and the other two gave him midgrade scores. One of those was the KWPN-NA (I knew it was a longshot since he isn’t KWPN bred) but the experience did give me a small taste of the KWPN-NA stallion approval procedure and policy.
Now I once again find myself asking all the same questions concerning standing and presenting a stallion… I have a 2.5yo KWPN-NA stallion who was first premium and top 5 on the 2010 keuring tour and has really developed nicely. He’s always had a great canter, but the trot has really improved this year (more swing and reach in his whole body) and his first attempts through the freejumping chute show quick reflexes and an abundance of scope…
I’m just really finding it hard to justify all the work that goes into preparing, presenting and competing a stallion for those handful of breedings (regardless of registry, approval, etc)…
AHHA Correction
Someone posted that the AHHA doesn’t have any reciprocity with the HV. This is not exactly true.
Verband Eligible(VE) Holsteiners bred in the USA may be entered into the HV studbook, and those who are good enough or have completed the required sport requirement can be shipped back to Holstein to be approved. What is different with KWPN-NA is that the AHHA maintains its own studbook. So those Stallions approved here may breed here and produce AHHA registered foals, without any limitations in AHHA. Those foals will not be VE unless the status of the Stallion is upgraded by being approved in Holstein. VE stamp can be requested of the Verband Judge to be stamped on the AHHA papers.
Very simple.
Sorry to de-rail the thread, carry on.
Tim
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Someone posted that the AHHA doesn’t have any reciprocity with the HV. This is not exactly true.
Verband Eligible(VE) Holsteiners bred in the USA may be entered into the HV studbook, and those who are good enough or have completed the required sport requirement can be shipped back to Holstein to be approved. What is different with KWPN-NA is that the AHHA maintains its own studbook. So those Stallions approved here may breed here and produce AHHA registered foals, without any limitations in AHHA. Those foals will not be VE unless the status of the Stallion is upgraded by being approved in Holstein. VE stamp can be requested of the Verband Judge to be stamped on the AHHA papers.
Very simple.
Sorry to de-rail the thread, carry on.
Tim[/QUOTE]
Just curious, how many US bred AHHA’s have reciprocal status?
Many do, its not that hard.
You only have to have a Holsteiner that has a German stamm, and has all approved Holsteiner stallions from Holstein. In other words, all stallions in the pedigree used on Holsteiner mares must have been HV approved. I think very fair.
Tim
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Bosch Blue approved after 21-day test in Canada
http://kwpn-na.org/news/index_details.php?unid=1975[/QUOTE]
That is very cool! Congrats to his people!
And I am not sure this was answered yet in this thread, but who was the last stallion approved by KWPN here in NA? Was it Olivier? Does anyone know what year that was?
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And I am not sure this was answered yet in this thread, but who was the last stallion approved by KWPN here in NA? Was it Olivier? Does anyone know what year that was?[/QUOTE]
Maybe Florianus in 2010 didn’t they do a mini 5 day performance test for him??
Popeye K was 2006? I think.
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Maybe Florianus in 2010 didn’t they do a mini 5 day performance test for him??
Popeye K was 2006? I think.[/QUOTE]
Taking a quick look at their stallion pages on the KWPN-Na website:
Florianus - 2010 (with the 5 day test)
Popeye K - 2006
Olivier - was licensed in 2009, but the need to show a foal collection - in 2010 he was named Erkend by KWPN for the Gelders breeding program
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And I am not sure this was answered yet in this thread, but who was the last stallion approved by KWPN here in NA? Was it Olivier? Does anyone know what year that was?[/QUOTE]
DY, If you want to know what stallion was approved in the US via the same approval process for young (4 yr old) stallions that they run in NL, then the answer is none.
Florianus II was approved in 2010. But he went through the 70 day test in Germany in 2001 and had very good scores. Also had very good sport results before the KWPN evaluated him under the 5 day test.
Congratulations to Bosch Blue and his people on this great accomplishment!
I don’t know of one US bred and raised AHHA registered stallion that is approved with the Verband. I know of imported colts that were presented as stallions and approved AHHA. I know of imported non Verband approved stallions, approved AHHA. I know of Verband approved imported stallions that are also AHHA approved. There were a couple of AHHA approved stallions that went to Germany to be presented to the Verband. One of which was approved and shipped back here to the US. So if Verband approved is important and one wants to use fresh semen, the options are limited to about a handful.
Bosch Blue KWPN Approved!
For the first time ever, a 21-day KWPN performance test was held in Alberta,Canada, under the authority of the KWPN-NA. The 6-year-old Bosch Blue, completed his test today and was approved by the KWPN.
The Cantos son, bred by A. Broek of Lierop, is out of the ster mare Pavona, a daughter of Mr. Blue x G.Ramiro Z x Nimmerdor.
Last year Bosch Blue successfully completed his Jumping IBOP during the regular KWPN-NA keuring tour as part of the approval process. Additionally, the stallion has been in competition and is doing well compared to other horses the same age.
During the 21-Day Performance Test, Bosch Blue wasl be stabled at Rockpointe Equestrian in Dewington, located near Calgary. His trainer and rider during the test was Jim Ifko. Nikkie Verdonschot of the Netherlands was present for the duration of the test to care for the stallion and relay information concerning him to the KWPN.
Bosh Blue was evaluated three times during his stay at the testing facility. KWPN senior inspector Wim Versteeg and Toine Hoefs attended the stallion’s arrival at the test facility on September 10th, Bart Henstra and Lana Sneddon, conducted an interim evaluation at the conclusion of the regular keuring tour, and at the end of his test, Bosch Blue wasevaluated two times by Wim Versteeg and Arie Hamoen, past Chairman of the Stallion Selection Committee for Riding Horses.
The evaluation criteria and standards used in North America are the same as those of the KWPN in Holland. Bosch Blue meets all KWPN veterinary requirements. With his approval, Bosch Blue will have the same status as approved stallions in Holland that have successfully completed the stallion approval process.
An inspection report will be published at a later date.
Walk
Trot
Carriage & Balance
Canter
Reflexes
Technique
Scope
Rideability
Talent for Jumping
Total
7
7
8
8.5 (x2)
8 (x2)
7 (x2)
7.5 (x2)
7
7.5
76.5
There are jumper stallions available fresh for KWPN mares but the dressage stallion choices are few, and getting older. If one’s mare is not a good choice for frozen, where does the dressage breeder go but to another registry.
Willie Arts presented a stallion for approval this year. The stallion was not approved. A friend of mine was present and said the conversation between Willie and the jury was in Dutch and heated.
I trust Willie Arts to know what he is presenting. He knows Dutch horses and he knows the NA market.
Just as note to clarify to the poster above, all HV stallions have reciprocity with AHHA.
I know there aren’t many that have been approved in Germany after being born here. There are few that would export back to Germany. I do however know of this one from Winley Farm.
Approved Stallion
We are proud to announce that Commentator, a bay Holsteiner colt foaled at Winley Farm in 2009 and exported to Germany as a yearling, is now an approved Holsteiner Stallion! His dam Utopia (Corrado I/Landgraf I) was also foaled at Winley Farm. His sire Carvallo, (Carthago/Lavall II) bred by Manfred Birchler, was purchased by the Goelkels and competed successfully in the US before returning to Germany, where he still competes.
Commentator will combine his stallion duties with a career in the jumper ring!
Tim
Congrats to Bosch Blue and his “family” 
Just found thus thread while searching for KWPN keuring info. It was definately interesting and got me wondering if any other stallions have been through the 21 day test since Bosch Blue or if anything has changed in the approval process snce then?
Wasn’t that Ravel son approved KWPN last year? Did he do or is he aiming to do a performance test?
