Can some tell me (yes, I’ve looked at the website) what if anything my mare would be eligible for in regards to registration.
I have a Dutch/Arab cross (sire is registered and actually came top in his keuring). She is currently 3.5 years and just getting started under saddle.
Can she be registered with KWPN? and if so does she need to go through the whole keuring including riding? Or can she be shown in hand?
Thanks
Call the KWPN NA and ask. They’re great to talk with.
Cheers
Hi
Who is her sire? Does she have Renai or something papers now?
I’m sorry, and I could be wrong, but I have neverd hear of Arab blood being let into the KWPN. Someone correct me if I am wrong?? Maybe the only possible way is if the “improving” blood (non-Dutch (see the registration table on the KWPN-NA website), in her case Arab), was no more than 12.5. But sadly, I do not believe she is eligible.
I do not believe she is eligible for Foal Book or Register A KWPN-NA registration, but maybe by a stretch she could somehow be Register B, which is basically like a Certificate of Pedigree (we used to have COP, but changed to Reg B). If they would let in Arab blood, and she was somehow eligible for Register B, she is not allowed to be inspected or go to a Keuring. Only Foal Book, or Register A is allowed to go to the Keuring. So IF she somehow did receive Reg B, and she was bred to KWPN approved stallion, the resulting offspring could be eligible for inspection or Keuring only if it was female.
Good luck!
NRPS?
You could check the dutch NRPS registry. There is alot of trakehner blood there, and if I’m not mistaken, trakehners have quite a bit of arab blood.
You mention in your original post that the sire is “registered” – do you mean approved? There is quite a big difference – if he is only registered, and is not an approved KWPN stallion, then I don’t think your chances of getting any kind of Dutch papers are optimistic unfortunately. Your best bet is to check with the KWPN-NA offices, they will clarify things for you.
I wonder if the OP is referring to this filly:
CLASS: 015 FOALS/WEANLINGS: HARNESS
325 GIGI WSF 840025 201100166 1ST PLACE 1ST PREMIUM
Birth Date: 06/03/2011 Book: REG A Type: TP Sex: M Color: CHESTNUT Birth Place: OREGON
Sire: ZION-JC STER PROK IBOP Dam: V. DOUBLE DUCHESS
PATIJN FABRICIUS PREF x SU LING Arabian
KOLONEL AFIRE BEY Arabian
Owner: CARRIE O’BRIEN Breeder: CARRIE O’BRIEN
WILLOW SPRING FARM WILLOW SPRING FARM
The dam appears to be Arab. I saw that previously and couldn’t figure it out.
ETA: I see now that the OP’s mare is 3.5 years old, it can’t be the on I mentioned.
Is she Dutch Harness?
Half Dutch can be registered with the American Dutch Harness Horse Association. That is different than KWPN-NA; I believe that 1/4 dutch harness can be registered in some cases.
The KWPN did approve this stallion in the past (Anglo-Arabian):
http://hengsten.kwpn.nl/openbaar/abonnees/details.asp?onderdeel=afstammelingenrapport&lang=nl&knpnr=H0000003314
The KWPN book is a closed book. This means they no longer except outside blood. Both Sire and Dam must be registered/approved KWPN for the foal to be registered an/or approved.
My Morgan mare is in foal to an approved KWPN stallion and the foal is not eligible (I called and talked with them).
However, most warmblood stallions are approved to more than one registry, and several other warmblood registries are still open, especially to Arabian blood. Ask the stallion owner (or you could probably look it up online) what other registries he’s approved for. Then check each site and you can usually find a section that talks about outside mares. You will probably only be able to get the mare into an auxiliary or 2nd mare book but that usually allows the foal full registration if they do well at inspection.
Is this coming into effect as of 2012? Is this specifically for NA/KWPN ?
As in the past your foal would have been eligble for Reg B papers and if she produced a filly who was then bred to an Approved / Erkend KWPN stallion that foal would have been eligble for VB papers.
One of my friends has bred to a non approved KWPN (VB) stallion and the mare has no registered breeding, she produced a filly who has REG B papers with no breeding recorded on her damside of the passport but the sires is. They have retained this filly and intend to breed her to an approved KWPN stallion next year and are under the assumption that the foal will obtain VB papers. Interested to learn that the rules have been changed. Anyone?
Defintely call them again as the 2012 chart clearly shows that a foal by an approved KWPN stallion out of a non erkend mares are eligble for KWPN Reg B. They cannot attend the Keurings but your foal can still be registered. Your mare is not eligble for registration just her foals if you use approved/erkend/Licensed/VB stallions as indicated in the chart.
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However, most warmblood stallions are approved to more than one registry.[/QUOTE]
In Warmbloods, it is called a Studbook, not a registry. Most WB stallions are approved in as many Studbooks at they are eligible, and in as many Studbooks as their owners are able to afford. That is why you will see Trakehners approved KWPN, Holsteiners approved KWPN, Swedish WB approved KWPN, etcetera.
Example: Gribaldi (sire of Totilas) is approved for: Trakehner, Dutch, Oldenburg, Danish Warmblood, France LD.
http://www.superiorequinesires.com/stallions/gribaldi.htm
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Half Dutch can be registered with the American Dutch Harness Horse Association. That is different than KWPN-NA; I believe that 1/4 dutch harness can be registered in some cases.[/QUOTE]
Don’t even get me started on this one! You would not want your horse “registered” here. It is not a recognized book, no USDF Alll Breeds, etc. I am not sure what the purpose is of this “registry”. They do not even require DNA testing for their stallions = what a joke! Soooooo many imported DHH have slipped through the cracks in the USA and not been properly recorded (as in, papers never updated with KWPN-NA once horse in US) because of La Croix’s Renai, this “registry”, and also the Amish. Poof! These horses have vanished into thin air once they hit US soil. 
Goodbye old bloodlines; lost for ever.
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Is this coming into effect as of 2012? Is this specifically for NA/KWPN ? [/QUOTE]
Which part do you mean?
Can someone explain (DLDR?) how this foal with an Arab dam could be at the Keuring? If not I can just contact the NA office and I’m sure they can.
Thanks!
You know, things that make me go hmmmmmmmm!?! Very good question? Maybe this is like a few of the ooops the previous year? Weren’t there some DHH that were put into gelders book that didn’t qualify because of % of improving blood?
At the keuring the jury wanted to put the 1/2 dhh x 1/2 dwb bay mare into the gelders type Studbook based on confo type and movement, and was all for it until they saw that she had too much outside blood (DWB on dams side, with not enough gelders). Said, hey what about those horses last year? Oh, that was a mistake. Um yes, they made it thru keuring, were 1st premie, and were printed up in year end stats and magazine. If mistake, why’d it go so far?
SO, based on that 2011 1/2 arab filly attending keuring and being registered, if OPs horse is by quality approved stallion, then she should get same registration possibilities on her horse.
Interesting. I think I will ask the office on Monday.
I will have to call again! I was specifically told my foal would not be eligible as the mare was not KWPN approved. However after some digging it looks like maybe I was being told the mare could not be approved and the foal could not be inspected:
“Crosses with non-sporthorse breeds (Appaloosa, Arabian, Belgian or other Draft breeds, Morgan, AQHA, Paint, Pinto, Lippizan, Andalusian, etc.) or unregistered horses are eligible for Register B papers.”
Can someone elaborate on the difference between Register A and Register B foals? Other than the fact that Register B cannot be inspected. To me it seems like they don’t want to evaluate if a “half-bred” horse has improved the breed but they want to give them some kind of papers to make more money.
I’m not trying to be harsh or condisending/rude, I agree with closed books. I just have felt that one of the greatest things about warmbloods is they prove that each closed breed has something to bring to the table; and mixing blood (hot and cold) over many years can create amazing horses.
Register A is a foal who meets the KWPN registering requirements, and is eligible for Keuring:
Register B foals do not typically meet the KWPN breed guidelines and standards (KWPN is known for its high quality horses, so it has high standards) for various reasons. They are not eligible for Keuring. Register B is what replaced Certificate of Pedigree with KWPN. Here are just some of the various situations that can result in Reg B papers:
KWPN unapproved stallion (still has to be stallion activated $$ for foal to be registered) x KWPN mare. (stallion doesn’t meet breed requirements because not approved)
KWPN stallion who WAS approved, but is now on the Watch List x KWPN mare. (stallion doesn’t meet breed requirements because is not good enough to maintain approval).
KWPN approved stallion x unregistered mare.
KWPN approved stallion x non sporthorse mare.
quit asking for the general public to speculate on your specific issues. Call the NAWPN office. Someone earlier recommended this. It doesn’t matter what any of these other people say or think.
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