Lainey and Frodo Thread

[DevilsAdvocate]

“Frodo Baggins was immediately attended by a team of veterinarians and transported to Hagyard Equine Medical Institute. It was determined that he had suffered a fracture at the base of his skull and a severe lung injury. The decision was made that he would have be be euthanized”

Any new news on Laineys condition?

I read a post from Laineys mom that they have not told her yet about her horse. She is not in well enough condition to handle the news. The first night she was in the hospital her mom said she was conscious for about 5 mins and she fingered “frodo” on the sheets. Her mom was asking that anyone in any contact with Lainey please respect the families wishes and not tell Lainey about her horse.

Such a tragic tragic accident.

[lisagore]

Huh?

For the up to date word on her condition check her blog…latest entry by her mom at:

http://laineashker.blogspot.com/

She’s known for a long time that Frodo is gone ( read her blog of a few weeks ago…it’s archived now). I’m sure she is devastated but trying to move on with her life.

[Inverness]

Depressing . . .

The quality that most strikes me in perusing her website is a distressing level of egotism. It makes me sad.

I sincerely hope she makes a swift and complete recovery, but unless there is some concommitant change in attitude she won’t be a rider I enjoy watching or supporting.

[myboyludy]

[QUOTE=Inverness;3303874]
The quality that most strikes me in perusing her website is a distressing level of egotism. It makes me sad.

I sincerely hope she makes a swift and complete recovery, but unless there is some concommitant change in attitude she won’t be a rider I enjoy watching or supporting.[/QUOTE]

Bravo to you. I felt the same way that she was using the “bad press” which i think is unfair to her… we all make mistakes… as a way to be spiteful. If she doesnt learn from this next time she may not be that lucky. Now noone get me wrong. I like lainey since I met her at Maui jim a few years ago. She and her mom are great people but I have to agree that she needs to think of why it happened and not just say a kinda screw you world here I come

[Ajierene]

I agree, for the most part, with Inverness and myboylucky. I do not see is so much as arrogant as someone who was never told ‘no’ to and thinks they are invincible and the bees knees since no one ever told them they weren’t. I guess to me ‘arrogant’ is more of a negative term that I do not see in Laine as much - more due to her age and the way she was raised. If anyone understand what I am saying…

[sofiethewonderhorse]

The quality that most strikes me in perusing her website is a distressing level of egotism. It makes me sad.

I sincerely hope she makes a swift and complete recovery, but unless there is some concommitant change in attitude she won’t be a rider I enjoy watching or supporting.

I do my best to stay back and keep quiet, however I’m not going to this time.

I’ve only read the last 4 or 5 posts; I personally find them quite offensive.

Everyone gets to make a mistake, EVERYONE. Everyone learns harsh lessons. EVERYONE. We, as humans, have the capacity for the quality called ‘compassion’. Everyone lives through the grieving process differently.

I was one of the first posters on this forum that said ‘wow’; I watched this ride, this mistake and the death of this horse. I also watched the mistake that was made 3 (or so) years ago when Laine climbed back on after a nasty fall at the Rolex Footbridge.

Did she make a mistake? once, twice? yes…bold, not listening to her coaches, elders etc.? maybe

This young woman will only grow if the rest of this community shows compassion.

Stop banging on her, I suspect between herself, her coach, her mom and dad and the fact that Frodo was killed in the process is enough of a wake up call.

Laine, you don’t know me, I don’t know you, but you have my respect and my compassion. I have watched you for a few years now, I’ve heard from strangers who met you on the side of the street.

If you truly have the ‘passion’ for this sport and these animals, then kick on, learn from your mistake…may have to humble up just a little…congratulations, the process of ‘humbling up’ brings you into the annals of the some of the greatest.

I just read the following posted by your mum

Laine is extremely fortunate to have had 8 years with her Frodo and a partnership she will never duplicate

Laine, don’t you believe you will never duplicate that partnership for one moment, you will have that relationship again with another brave warrior who will trust you…

And because of this experience you will be better able to protect that most precious thing…trust.

Regards,

Kathryn

[Eventer13]

While I’m all for compassion, she doesn’t seem to be admitting that she made a mistake. I got the impression, from what I’ve read, that she is extremely driven. That’s a great attribute to have and no doubt has helped her rise to the top, but sometimes that drive overrules one’s ability to rationalize. If the time is hard to make, your goal shouldn’t be to simply go out and “beat the clock,” it should be to go as fast as possible, based on the horse you’re riding and the ride/conditions/etc you are having.
If she said “You know, I did [blank], and that was a mistake, and I am going to work on fixing that problem” I think everyone would be more receptive than her coming out and saying “when people told me I can’t do something, I’ve always tried to prove them wrong.”

I’m sure she’s a very nice person, and a fabulous rider, but I wonder how much she learned from the accident. And while you can’t blame her for having an accident, you still expect her to learn from her mistakes. And it doesn’t really sound like she has… but maybe that’s just the way I interpreted it.

[sofiethewonderhorse]

Once upon a time, I read this great book, one quote I recall was ‘do not throw stones’ ‘who are you to judge’?

I agree laine is driven, there is nothing wrong with being driven; I personally watched her make two serious mistakes.

I have read about other riders (great & not) who made HUGE mistakes.

Was that Torrence or Lucinda or Bruce, or GM or “don’t shoot me” G Wofford? (forgive me in advance if I have the wrong rider) who had a horse crash into a fence (where?) the horse was bleeding from his nose, all that rider could remember was seeing blood on her white breeches and thinking " I have to finish the course"

This is a sport, it is a very demanding sport, riders are responsible, horses die, riders die…

Lainie’s judgement day has come…let it be with the people who know her the best.

Regards,

Kathryn

[QUOTE=Eventer13;3306944]
While I’m all for compassion, she doesn’t seem to be admitting that she made a mistake. I got the impression, from what I’ve read, that she is extremely driven. That’s a great attribute to have and no doubt has helped her rise to the top, but sometimes that drive overrules one’s ability to rationalize. If the time is hard to make, your goal shouldn’t be to simply go out and “beat the clock,” it should be to go as fast as possible, based on the horse you’re riding and the ride/conditions/etc you are having.
If she said “You know, I did [blank], and that was a mistake, and I am going to work on fixing that problem” I think everyone would be more receptive than her coming out and saying “when people told me I can’t do something, I’ve always tried to prove them wrong.”

I’m sure she’s a very nice person, and a fabulous rider, but I wonder how much she learned from the accident. And while you can’t blame her for having an accident, you still expect her to learn from her mistakes. And it doesn’t really sound like she has… but maybe that’s just the way I interpreted it.[/QUOTE]

[fatorangehorse]

Depressing

I haven’t been keeping up with the whole thing. Good for her coach for slowing her down, but her bog is very disheartening. The rest of those around her could be having a different influence. Both her and her mom’s words. This type of tragedy is a perfect opportunity to broaden your view of the world and challenge yourself . . . Their words reflect a very narrow and unwavering perspective. Dare I say . . . Hubris.

I wish her only the best, but I have to admit I am unsettled at the thought of her pointing another lion-hearted horse @ an advanced course for both of their sakes and pony clubbers emulating the unwavering determination that is clearly questionable at this point.

[CiegoStar]

I’m torn by what I’m reading on Lainey’s blog. On the one hand, I don’t feel like I should judge her. On the other hand, she is choosing to write publicly about the crash and therefore is inviting criticism (as well as compassion).

I agree with those who are disheartened by her words. But I remind myself that she is an athlete, not a master communicator. She may be truly torn up about her mistake and just not ready/willing to put her pain out there for the public to see, rather choosing to present a positive front. I can understand this - but I would only be guessing that this is the case.

I was present when she and Frodo flipped. I was extremely upset by it. So I can’t help but feel involved, as a spectator and a competitor in this sport. And I do think she showed hubris (great word, fatorangehorse) when she said she would be back for Fair Hill this fall. But. But, but but. She is young. She is driven. She is devoted to the sport…

Or is she devoted to winning?

I can’t say. I don’t know her. But this is a case where I feel like the internet is not helping us. I wish I didn’t know her thoughts at this time. I would imagine her mourning Frodo and carefully re-entering the competitive arena after retesting all her skills. I’d like to imagine that.

[sofiethewonderhorse]

[QUOTE=fatorangehorse;3307191]
I haven’t been keeping up with the whole thing. Good for her coach for slowing her down, but her bog is very disheartening. The rest of those around her could be having a different influence. Both her and her mom’s words. This type of tragedy is a perfect opportunity to broaden your view of the world and challenge yourself . . . Their words reflect a very narrow and unwavering perspective. Dare I say . . . Hubris.

I wish her only the best, but I have to admit I am unsettled at the thought of her pointing another lion-hearted horse @ an advanced course for both of their sakes and pony clubbers emulating the unwavering determination that is clearly questionable at this point.[/QUOTE]

Back to that book I read something about ‘who are you to cast stones?’

[fatorangehorse]

Who am I? Who are you?

I am a participant in the sport who is commenting on the words that laine has thrust into the public domain. I will not apologize. I firmly believe that conversations like this will help broaden people’s thinking and cause all of us - perhaps even laine - to make different, more intentional decisions that could keep ourselves and our horses safer.

Who are you to judge me? Or does that sentiment only apply to laine?

[Ghazzu]

@sofiethewonderhorse;3307471

Back to that book I read something about ‘who are you to cast stones?’

Isn’t that the same book that advocates the killing of disobedient children?

[Ghazzu]

@sofiethewonderhorse;3307471

Back to that book I read something about ‘who are you to cast stones?’

That would be the same book that says “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall,” wouldn’t it?

[HORSEBACKRIDER]

Ego-driven self-promoters usually are insecure at the core.

Sometimes, if such a person is lucky, life’s knocks and losses, time, and reflection can be the brew to cure the worst of this problem.

Silence and humility (being teachable) would be a good first step . . .

[Eventer13]

[QUOTE=sofiethewonderhorse;3307471]
Back to that book I read something about ‘who are you to cast stones?’[/QUOTE]

So we should support her, no questions asked? I support her recovery and I hope she’s back in the saddle soon. I’m very, very sorry she lost Frodo. But I have trouble supporting her mentality.

And who would you consider to be qualified to cast stones?

[Twomanydawgs]

When you put yourselves out there for the public to see in a sport where there are horse’s dying at the rate they have been, then yes be prepared to be judged…reading Laine’s blog is disturbing…she needs to be taken down a few pegs along with Mommy…you would think her almost being killed and her horse dying with her in the irons would have accomplished that:no:

[Buffyblue]

@Twomanydawgs;3307959

When you put yourselves out there for the public to see in a sport where there are horse’s dying at the rate they have been, then yes be prepared to be judged…reading Laine’s blog is disturbing…she needs to be taken down a few pegs along with Mommy…you would think her almost being killed and her horse dying with her in the irons would have accomplished that:no:

I totally agree. I haven’t been able to read her blog in a long time, because I found her attitude (and Mommy’s) disturbing as well.

[rcloisonne]

[QUOTE=Twomanydawgs;3307959]
When you put yourselves out there for the public to see in a sport where there are horse’s dying at the rate they have been, then yes be prepared to be judged…reading Laine’s blog is disturbing…she needs to be taken down a few pegs along with Mommy…you would think her almost being killed and her horse dying with her in the irons would have accomplished that:no:[/QUOTE]
And this wasn’t the first horse to be killed with her in the irons. Oh well, kick on as they say. :rolleyes:

[LexInVA]

I think Lainey is a beautiful woman (I know that’s not shocking coming from me) and an immensely talented rider who could kick my ass (figuratively speaking) up and down the block without so much as a broken nail but I have to certainly agree with the sentiments expressed here about her pride and the headstrong personality that has been nutured by her closest supporters in the USEF/USEA as well as her family. Is she going to come out and make a public statement to the tune of “I was wrong, wrong, wrong! Can you ever forgive me?” No. I think not and she should not be expected to do so. I believe she will demonstrate some surprising restraint (hopefully) in the future but those who have fostered the “Ride to win!” mentality need to realize that their shennannigans will only be tolerated for so long by those of us who take notice of such things.