Lainey and Frodo Thread

Only time will tell what lessons Laine has learned. She did not appear to take a step back and learn anything when her friend and fellow determined rider died last fall. By the words on her blog, she seems skeptical that Buck’s order of going back to the lower levels is necessary.

Must she apologize and admit fault to the eventing world? No, it may be helpful to the younger riders to hear someone say that this type of competing with blinders on towards the year end awards, the next level, the Olympics is not the way to ride. This is also something that trainers and parents can instill in children.

Does Laine’s mom have blinders on when it comes to her daughters talent and hubris? Maybe. Should Laine’s trainers and coaches have done more to correct the hubris, if it was there? Maybe. Maybe a lot of things. No one knows what is going on in her mind right now - all we know is what she says on her blog and elsewhere.

By blindly supporting Laine and not allowing any negative comments to be expressed, you would only be feeding that hubris. This is true for anyone, any true friend has the duty to look you in the eye and tell you to slow down when you are rushing towards a goal to fast. It is like all those drunk driving campaigns that state true friends would never let you drive drunk and would take your keys if you were to drunk to drive.

This type of conversation involving both people who know Laine personally and people who only see her competing is highly beneficial to all the other future Laine’s out there. If reviewing her actions leading up to the fall and following the fall help someone else more clearly see another young competitor that has the same hubris or same blindness to their own and their horses weakness and mortality and stop them, educate them, before they repeat Laine’s last fall; then it is well worth discussing.

If it helps the top riders learn to be more forceful about other young competitors slowing down, when they are coaching; then it is well worth discussing.

FYI
That would have been Torrance and Finvara at Gawler in 1986 world championships…infact the horse was quite concussed.
As her horse continued on course, blood from his nose/head was flying back at her, but she was riding for the team and back then you continued no matter what.

come on people, if shes like a lot of athletes, she can’t put her feelings in words on the internet for the whole world to read and then dissect and diss her(talking in public… yikes)…so yes she has put on a positive front for all…shes more than likely depressed, we all notice that there aren’t many blogs from her…shes probally having a hard time. instead of saying that shes stone cold and hasn’t learned from her mistakes…boo on you…she will always have that fall in the back of her mind when she is going x-c…ive had a few nasty falls and i always has flash backs on them(probally not a good thing when you are in the start box), but it makes me ride better, not get cocky, and have caution…please don’t judge her harshly, she going on with a stiff upper lip…didnt her other horse die of a aortic aneurism? not really her fault is it?

Threedayer…have you read her blog??..it’s more then a stiff upper lip being put forth there…

This quote, from her May 20th entry, is the type of thing that bothers me about her blog:

It’s funny because whenever Buck told me that it was impossible to do something (ie: make the optimum time on a xc course), it gave me such a huge push to strive for it even more!

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FYI
That would have been Torrance and Finvara at Gawler in 1986 world championships…infact the horse was quite concussed.
As her horse continued on course, blood from his nose/head was flying back at her, but she was riding for the team and back then you continued no matter what.[/QUOTE]

What ever happened to Finvara after that? Was he ok?

Originally Posted by snoopy View Post
FYI
That would have been Torrance and Finvara at Gawler in 1986 world championships…infact the horse was quite concussed.
As her horse continued on course, blood from his nose/head was flying back at her, but she was riding for the team and back then you continued no matter what.


That is awful…

[QUOTE=hb;3310142]
This quote, from her May 20th entry, is the type of thing that bothers me about her blog:[/QUOTE]

I dont think her point was I am going to run as fast as possible no matter what, I think it was more like the more people who say I cant the harder I am going to push to make it happen, and that does not mean at the expence of her or her horse, it is just determination.

The problem comes when determination blinds you to the needs of yourself and your horse. This seems to be what Laine has done - she has allowed her own determination to prove everyone wrong to interfere with being a proper horsewoman. If her coach, the one who is supposed to advice her and help her be the best she can be, tells her that the course cannot be run in optimum time, why should she look to prove he is wrong? Why doesn’t she say, “OK, so that means I will run it carefully and when I don’t get it done in time, I will know why.”

No posts that I have read have stated that anyone thinks she is a bad person, just that she suffers from hubris and her judgment is clouded to the point where she closed her mind to people telling her to slow down and take her time.

I read it as, if my coach advises me not to try for the time I am going to ignore that advice and go as fast as I can, to prove that I can do it.

I did not read that she intended for it to be at the expense of the horse, but in this sport mistakes often are at the expense of the horse, whether we intended it that way or not.

I looked up her web site and her last post wasn’t even in her blog anymore…you have to go to her main page on the web site to see her latest comments…its called change of heart…it talks about her training schedule in the fall and im glad that buck is having her take it slow…

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I looked up her web site and her last post wasn’t even in her blog anymore…you have to go to her main page on the web site to see her latest comments…its called change of heart…it talks about her training schedule in the fall and im glad that buck is having her take it slow…[/QUOTE]

and so too are her horse’s:eek:

I’ve kept a pretty close eye on her blog since Rolex. Did I miss something? Did she post something about the accident and then think otherwise and remove it? Or are you guys just referring to the “I will prove you all wrong” message on her blog and then the revised competition schedule that she posted?

I haven’t read anything where she actually talks about the accident. If she does somewhere I would love to read what she has to say about it.

Personally, her blog just reinforces what I thought already. She is on the line, and has been for a while.

There are way too many other young riders like her who think they are somehow brilliant and don’t need to pay their dues and learn how to actually ride. Unfortunately their horses pay the price.

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What ever happened to Finvara after that? Was he ok?[/QUOTE]

Yes but torrance suffered a barn fire and he was one (I believe) of the ones lost.

Edited to add that her barn fire was some time in the late 80’s and I was under the impression that Finvarra was one of the ones involved…I could be wrong, and appologize if this is not the case. Anyone closer to her may have a more accurate imformation. I would be interested to know if I am indeed incorrect.

I have since been contacted to say that Finvarra was NOT one of those lost in the barn fire. Thank you to those who took the time to contact me!!!

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Personally, her blog just reinforces what I thought already. She is on the line, and has been for a while.

There are way too many other young riders like her who think they are somehow brilliant and don’t need to pay their dues and learn how to actually ride. Unfortunately their horses pay the price.[/QUOTE]

That is sadly too true.

I saw an Advanced packer for sale recently, with the line “perfect for young rider wanting to move up the levels quickly and collect ribbons.” Just reflects the state of horse sports…and the world.

Sad thing is that she had an experienced adv. horse and she’s been advanced a number of times. The thing is that she bought incredible horseflesh without proper training. She’s flitted around for years without getting down and dirty with an advanced instructor up her butt telling her how to ride and care for horses.

LisaB- any idea if she was involved in Pony Club? (Not that it’s a guaranteed preventative, but just curious. ;))

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LisaB- any idea if she was involved in Pony Club? (Not that it’s a guaranteed preventative, but just curious. ;))[/QUOTE]

She was a PC kid. According to her biographical information she reached the Intermediate level of C1 but that’s it.

[QUOTE=Bobthehorse;3348081]
That is sadly too true.

I saw an Advanced packer for sale recently, with the line “perfect for young rider wanting to move up the levels quickly and collect ribbons.” Just reflects the state of horse sports…and the world.[/QUOTE]

Interesting to note that the author of that ad moved up from novice to advanced herself in only a couple of years. SHe finally broke her ankle and hasn’t really dabbled in the upper levels since. I thought she’d learned from all of that until I read that. If she truly appreciated her mistake I hope she wouldn’t encourage others to do the same…