Lamanitic changes and chronic abscesses...whose been down this road?

I wanted to update…the vet apt for Friday was rescheduled to this coming Thursday due to an emergency. I did end up calling my “normal” vet on Friday to have him put down as the more and more I go over it I just cant keep going up and down with him, its not fair.

She said she was not comfortable putting him down yet, that this is the season for abscesses and that she thinks if we just get through the next few months he will turn around. I would like to believe that, but we seem to say that every time he gets bad and it never really happens.

I really believe he is IR or has PPID…and Ive been saying it for a while./ My kids pony was on Prascend and I have a few left, so I am going to start him on that and see if I notice any difference. I don’t have a full months left, but I have enough to get him going and see if there are any changes.

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@relocatedTXjumpr Get in touch with me privately and I can help you with some prascend. I have some that was given to us by the manufacturer as we’ve helped with so many studies. You need to do a few weeks to know if it is going to help, it is rarely an instant results type thing.

Also, it bothers me a lot that your vet gave you that response that she’s not comfortable euthanizing your horse. It is your decision, you see and manage him daily, not the vet. They don’t get to determine what your horse can and cannot comfortably live with, nor do they get to determine that for you either, emotionally or financially. The more I read about how this whole situation is being managed the more bothered and concerned I become about the really bad advice your experts are giving you. You regular vet may be a fantastic vet in most ways, but on the PPID/IR and hoofcare topics they are extremely lacking. If in your heart you feel like euthanasia is the right choice (and from all you’ve written it sounds like it could be), then you need to be supported and helped with your choice by your vet. I’ve had a vet tell me that we could probably do more for a horse (which is not my call but our client’s call), but that it is never wrong to euthanize. No one is obligated to bankrupt themselves emotionally or financially over a horse.

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See if the Prascend helps him. If you can’t make him better, you may need a new vet. It makes me angry when a vet second guesses an owner about euthanasia, when the owner has been dealing with a horse who is suffering. No vet ever wants to do euthanasias, but there is a time to use euthanasia to relieve suffering. No one understands the level of suffering more than the family members who have been providing care.

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Well, really!

My vet told me when we dx my daughter’s horse with a career ending injury that she would support euthanasia if we chose it. She is pasture sound (for now) but the vets know that it is really hard (and expensive) for many people to support an unrideable horse for 20 more years. She’s still with us, for now, but it was nice knowing that we wouldn’t have to fight with the vet about a decision that would have been hard enough for us to make.

I’m sorry your vet hasn’t helped you more…might consider a 2nd opinion if you ae willing to give it one more go…although of course I totally understand why you might not want to do that.

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Hi all, sorry for going MIA but I wanted to provide an update.

I received a PM from a poster regarding my thread, someone I didn’t know but who apparently had figured out who I was and knew my horse and where I was boarding. I was urged to check in on him a bit more and “pop in” to the barn throughout the day, etc.

I think I’ve said before that due to my life circumstances I had not been able to be at the barn daily. I was paying for full board and providing my own feed, meds, hoof boots, and shavings as well as anything else that might help him. I was paying for these extra services and being assured that they were being done. I have been at this current barn about a year and a half and we had had some problems off and on with barn staff not doing their jobs and/or walking off the job but if I ever addressed a dirty stall of scuzzy water bucket it was immediately addressed and everything seemed to fall back into line. I ASSumed those handful of times it was due to the staffing issues and that things, for the most part, were running smoothly…Boy was I wrong!

Over the course of two weeks I went out randomly during the morning, afternoon and evening. I have an entirely catalog of pictures on my phone of uncleaned stalls…stalls so gross and wet they “sloshed” when you walked in them. Horses fetlock deep in poop. Empty water buckets or buckets so gross you could smell them. I would put my horses feed tub in his grain bin, prop it up a certain way and when I went back the next day it hadn’t been moved. They were in, constantly…9am, 1pm, 6pm, 11pm…if they were going out it wasn’t for long.

The barn owner actually works for several large local barns in the area doing their stalls, etc when their between help or out of town and everyone loves her so I thought there had to be something going on…it just didn’t add up. Id inquire about the condition of the stalls “Oh, its just been so wet with all of the rain, they are all going out today and we are going to strip and re-bed, scrub buckets etc”. I heard that more in two weeks than I have heard in my 30+ years with horses. Twice I stripped his stall myself, by hand with a muck bucket, left it empty to dry, turned him out, came back 4 hours later, re-bed, re-filled his water, placed hay in his net and she actually texted me a picture of the stall I CLEANED and said “We got everyone stripped and rebedded today! I did him a little deep to try and help his feet, also gave him an extra flake of hay in his net”!. The two times I stripped my own stall are the ONLY times in those two weeks they were cleaned, by anyone.

The hoof boots I bought, sure they were putting them on if he went out, but not cleaning or picking his feet…so even when he was out he was still standing in urine and poop.

Basically everything I was doing to try and help him and there she was working against me…like trying to row up stream with one paddle in class 4 rapids.

I gave my notice, paid my board and left. I have a dear friend about 200 miles away with her own farm and she let me bring him there. He’s been there about 3 weeks and let me tell you the difference, holy cat! The look on his face has changed, his weight and coat are slowly improving. His feet…lord…she sends me videos of him galloping and squealing across the pastures. Is he 100%, no…but the improvement is crazy. No crazy voodoo tactics, just feed, clean stalls, turnout, and water.

The farrier comes today so I am interested in hearing what he has to say.

So, I just wanted to provide an update. While his feet did and do need attention, I really believe that the overall decline in his condition was due to the stress and drama in his home life. Not being fed, standing in days/weeks worth of crap, no water, constant commotion of “rescue” horses in and out…he couldn’t take it anymore. The vet kept saying “its his environment” but I guess I didn’t fully understand what she was trying to tell me. I can not believe I trusted her and let it go on that long…

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I hope you also report this to Animal Control, and if the barn is licensed, to the licensing agency. Horses are being neglected and customers are being deceived/defrauded by paying for goods and services they are not receiving.

Animal Control here is a joke. The barn is licensed. The state only requires minimum needs are being met…shelter, access to water, and food, which she can prove she has. I do not know what everyone else is paying, most are pasture boarders, I believe including myself there were only 3 or 4 stall boarders. One of those is also preparing to leave for the same reasons.

I have notified another trainer who leased her two ponies as well as a 4* eventer who has retired a horse there and they both said they would “look into it”.

All of the other barns she works for love her…and I’m talking fancy show barns…so its obvious she does a better job there than she does at her own barn. If they could see behind those gates they might not be so quick to hire her.

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I think there’s something magical for horses about room to run and play AND a farm/barn that has a positive, happy vibe to it. I’m so glad it has helped your guy a lot. You have been wonderful to him given all that is going on in your life.

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Thanks for the update. I’m glad you found out about how bad the care was and moved him. It’s marvelous that he’s a happier horse. Great news!

He was at a large farm, plenty of room…but it really appears that they were all stall bound in bad conditions. It just amazes me how they think that is ok.

Farrier came yesterday and called me. Small abscess on the RH but nothing crazy. He is going to text me pictures so I can compare the trim to what he has been getting.

I’m honestly amazed, shocked, and hurt. I can not believe this was happening and that I didn’t know.

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Wow, what a sad story with what looks likes to be a good ending. So sorry about what you went through with the last barn. If you feel comfortable about it, I would love to know what barn since I am GA as well. PM of course. I didn’t read all the pages but have you tried clear traxx or something like that? My horse abcessed three times on the same track and that wiped it right out.

I PM’d you.

The first vet I had out for my mare when she exhibited on/off lameness, was more worried about a little knot in her back muscles, than he was that she was off.

Next vet took xrays and immediately caught my mare’s laminitis. It was weeks inbetween, with massages recommended by the first vet, and no change. I knew it was more serious, but I didn’t think she could have laminitis. So I studied up on it, realized she had multiple symptoms, and then the new vet confirmed it.

Trusting your gut, doing your research, and knowing your horse is so important!