Just a guess … but I doubt CR has ‘ruined her reputation’. Rather, her phone is probably blowing up with people who hope she can sell their horse for 2 or 3 times what they figure it is worth. Honestly and straight up, of course. :winkgrin:
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If true, this is disgusting behavior.
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“I’m the same as everyone else. I pay rent for my own stable and all the bills. It’s probably safe to say if I fell flat on my face Al and my dad would be there to pick me up. But I have too much pride for that.”
no, not the same as everyone else. Very few of us have a multi million dollar safety net. :rolleyes:
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OI You over there in the 3rd row, quit with the giving away How To Buy And Sell The International Sport Horse to all the plebs.
crikey. whaddya think this is, bush week?
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I believe that BP inherited the fortune from her father who developed the bar code that is on almost everything in the world. Over the years of going to wellyworld we have seen her go through many trainers and buy many horses. Cost seems immaterial and she takes fabulous care of the horses.
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Unfortunately…I’m not surprised. I’ve had some pretty awful experiences with CR. She most likely won’t have to pay for it though. Her parents will cover for her per usual…
greed will bring the con-man/woman down every single time.
just do what 85% of all the other agents do, just add between 20 and 40% to every sale, depending on the horse, keep sthum don’t make a song and dance and no ones the wiser…
…or, at least ‘they’ know what you’re doing, but as long as you haven’t gotten too greedy put up with it because it’s what agents have been doing, lapping up their little bit of cream, since humans started bartering then selling horses.
600k worth of cream?
don’t care who you are, but trying to lap that much cream up on the quiet?, not happening.
not even the europeans who have this down pat would attempt such a mark with a fairly nondescript pony from a (as far as actual and international BNR/Ts) and only-in-their-dreams, big name rider/trainer such as this kid.
one has to wonder, did this kid attend trump university/business school?
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I feel very badly for the seller of the horse if this is true and everyone else that has been cheated in the horse industry.
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Like a lot of horses that someone pays some insane amount for, this one has not been heard of since it changed hands. It is gambling buying a horse for that price and there is no blue book for it. Sometimes it is just hype and dreams and someone wanting to throw a lot of money around to feel important. Was it a good investment? At this point coming 9 with only a show record at 4, there is a better than not chance that it was not. Then again maybe the horse will resurface in a couple of years and be amazing at Grand Prix, but probably not.
I find a lot of the people here a little questionable. CR definitely, the guy in Belgium probably, Ots maybe but also Alice Targan. She holds herself out to be this amazing amateur. In fact I just read an article about her last month in Dressage Today or something like that about how she has made it to the top as am amateur. Truth is I don’t really consider her an amateur because she buys horses and campaigns them deliberately to sell them for a profit. She is a very good rider and definitely has a good eye for horses but she is flipping these horses to make a profit. She is making money which to me makes her kind of more of a pro than the lowly working student or groom who works for peanuts to be able to afford showing their not so talented or fancy horse at third level or something. She has made a business out of this so I think she should show in the open classes. Honestly I think she is kind of more of a pro than Charlotte Jorst who turned pro but just buys very expensive made horses and does not sell them for profit. Alice picks out fancy young ones, campaigns them and sells them for big profits. She is good at what she does, better than a lot of pros so she in my opinion should not hold herself out as an amateur.
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I agree with you, about Alice Tarjan, Also she was riding several horses at the YH championship, (also the winner) who were not her own horses… I guess she is riding and training them for free because she is an AA… I also think she is an amazing rider
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I think you are thinking of Jacqueline Paxton…her dad did the thermal bar codes.
If I remember correctly, Bethany’s father is/was very high up exec in General Motors company (they were from Michigan)…though my memory from when I first met her may be rusty (we’re talking more than 15 years ago). I was a working student in FL for my trainer and Bethany’s family rented one of the barns at the same farm the first year…she was still a Junior rider at that point. Money was not an issue then either.
Funny story…my mom and I drove my horse and one of the trainer’s horses down…mom was washing the truck before flying home and leaving me with the truck to get around. We had a F-350…bought used, but low mileage…so looked nice/newer still. Bethany’s mom was sitting in the car watching Bethany ride…rolled down the window of her car and said to my mom…“why are you washing that yourself, you could go to a car wash”…my mom explained that dually’s don’t fit in the car wash. Bethany’s mom then asked “what size is your truck”…my mom told her the engine specs…Bethany’s mom then turned to her husband and asked “is that truck bigger than ours”…husband answers “yes”…window rolls up. Pretty sure they had a new truck before the season was over!!! LOL…I recall Bethany’s dad being very nice…Bethany never talked to any of us…though in fairness she was younger than us working students.
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Sweet LORD that’s obnoxious.
No issues with people who use car washes, as I myself am among them, but rolling down your window and asking someone to defend their vehicle maintenance choices???
Your mom is very patient, I would have said something like, “Oh it’s ok sweetie, I’m not actually allergic to work.”
I remember the day I was visiting my parents and driving one of their very nice cars out of their very nice neighborhood on a windy day. At the end of the road a large branch was down, with another very nice car pulling up on the other side.
I get out; guy driving the other car gets out; together with some effort we heft branch to the side of the road.
His female companion remained in the passenger seat, primly observing.
Whhhyyyyy do guys go for these women???
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I totally agree with you. We have a rider doing something similar in this Region. The main difference is they compete all the way from Training Level to FEI. They’re an incredible rider. They seem to buy young horses, train them and then sell them. They do this out of their privately owned facility, which I assume has no paying boarders.
I wasn’t aware of this rider until my horse and my trainer’s horse both competed in the same show for the same test. It’s just that our horses competed Open (trainer was riding my horse). I saw this person’s ride, which was fantastic, and figured out who they were after being very impressed by both the rider and horse. I was shocked to discover they were competing as an amateur. They had the highest score out of all the rides, include the Open rides.
This is an individual who regular wins at regionals and nationals, including Training level. I don’t begrudge them being a great rider, because they absolutely are. But winning a Training Level National title from a true AA when you can also win titles in PSG seems unethical to me.
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GR1306 Professional/Amateur Status
- Amateur. Regardless of one’s equestrian skills and/or accomplishments
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I don’t even question her selling horses and I certainly don’t think it has anything to do with her riding skills. I am confused about her riding other people’s horses at championships… I think it’s amazing of her to donate her time and money. ( I think as an Amateur she has to pay the entree fees herself) to other people’s horses.
Thank you. The suggestion that someone should be a pro because they are a great rider and win is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read here in a while.
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I believe the rules would be more useful if they were based on ability. But I have previous experience with the breed show world and know a bit of time showing as a novice is helpful for many people.
Someone who has ridden up the levels SHOULD ride better than I do, on my first climb up the levels. For me personally I don’t care - I’ve done the going for ribbons thing in my previous life, and the partnership and education are what matter to me now. But everyone likes winning, too, so if there were levels based on experience I’d totally enter whatever I was eligible for.
Given what the rules are, trying to claim she’s not an amateur for riding well is absurd.
Also, I’d love to know if Alice was even riding someone else’s horse at all, because I’m not sure THOSE are facts. I’m sure she was not getting paid to if she was. Certainly I only see mention of her own horses here:
I almost showed someone else’s horse this summer when my horse attempted to maim herself on three legs. (Always fun to find your horse three-legged lame… as in sound on one leg… the week before a show.) I suppose some people would have tried to claim I was clearly a professional for it.
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Um I am not saying that you can’t be a good rider and an amateur. I am a good rider and an amateur who brought my horse from unstarted to FEI. I did not however do it with the intention of resale for profit which is what I object to. If you have the skill set to bring young horses along and go shopping for young either not broke or green broke horses train them along yourself, get a little show record on them and then flip them for a big profit, well then in my mind you are definitely in the “horse business.” This is what she has done over and over again. Winning a lot of stuff on these horses as an amateur does in fact add to their appeal and price because a) it is generally easier to win in amateur categories and get an amazing show record and b) then the horse can be marketed as an amateur horse.
She is arguably making a lot more from the “horse business” than the lowly assistants or low level trainers or whoever else hardly makes any money and has to show as a pro.
Also I have no knowledge of her riding other people’s horses or if she somehow gets “paid” if and when she does this. I do know of several people personally who have been paid to ride this or that horse and still show as amateurs. It is against the rules but they do it anyway.
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“She is good at what she does, better than a lot of pros so she in my opinion should not hold herself out as an amateur.”- what I meant by that is she is very good at flipping horses for a profit not that she is really good at riding. Many many pros have tried to make money buying “investment” horses and a lot of them have lost their shirts. Alice is very good at this and has made money. She set out to pick out good horses, train, campaign them and sell at a profit and she achieved this. This is a business in my mind and not for amateurs.
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(my bolding) The majority of her young horses are shown in the young horse FEI classes which have no AA division. She shows against pros most of the time.
As far at the AA classification, I’ve always felt it needed to be changed, but no matter what they changed there would still be inequity. That’s a topic for another thread.
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