Liberty Training

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7971159]
A. I don’t for a second believe a word this OP says anymore. I call teenager/really sad adult who wishes they had a horse playing makebelieve on the internetz.

B. If she really is for real and is as inept as you portray 15 year olds to be, she has no business owning two horses with largely uninvolved and uninterested parents. There are plenty of 15 year olds who are a billion times more responsible, dedicated, and polite than this one, who do a fine job of caring for horses at home.
If a real horse really does live at the epicenter of this train wreck, my loyalties lie with the horse. If OP is to be believed there is a horse out there with a fistulous wither and its stomach blown out by insane doses of bute. I refuse to sweep that under the rug of “oh it’s just a different culture.” No I will not be nice about it. If you are too immature to perform the most basic horse care correctly you don’t deserve to have a living animal entirely dependent on you.

Meanwhile in another thread you are snarking that someone is doing “sloppy horse handling” because a horse swung around and bit them suddenly, but this yahoo who displays such a level of repeated incompetence that the most plausible explanation is that they have never had a horse and are making it up all together, this one we should be nice to.

Maybe I’ll be 15 too today![/QUOTE]

OK, well, I can’t force you to believe me. I didn’t say you had to, all I am asking for is friendly advice on how to start liberty training. I am not meaning to be rude, I’m sorry if I’m coming across that way, quite frankly, I am answering questions with honest answers! And, I am very dedicated, I don’t quit once I start something, I am very polite, but hey, think what you want No one is stopping you. Have a good day
p.s. I am so not fake

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7971628]
No, I do not have a phone. Nice try tho. And I homeschool.(what business is this of yours anyway?) ;)[/QUOTE]

Amazing, at the speed you are able to refresh and hit reply Verizon must have run a Fios cable all the way out there just for you.

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7971643]
Oh a TEAspoon scoop…

So 4 teaspoons of Bute would be what, 8gms per dose?

Considering that 7gms can kill a horse…[/QUOTE]

I went and checked. Nope its a 1g scoop, so thats 4 grams a day. And if she’d be overdosed, she would be all fired up. She’s not, generally very laid back. and she’s off bute now, and I don’t hit refresh It comes to my email…I could say the same to you you know

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7971664]
I went and checked. Nope its a 1g scoop, so thats 4 grams a day. And if she’d be overdosed, she would be all fired up. She’s not, generally very laid back. and she’s off bute now, and I don’t hit refresh It comes to my email…I could say the same to you you know ;)[/QUOTE]

So just going by time stamps in the course of 5 minutes OP checked email, loaded COTH via what I can only assume is dial up, went out to the barn, looked at her Bute scoop, came back in the house, loaded the response page (dial up), typed out a reply, hit send, and uploaded reply.

But it has been pointed out I’m not a parent.
Any parents on here think this sounds plausible?

Either this or the medicine cabinet right there in the barn has a high speed sattelite connection.

Also, OP, if she were overdosed she would be on IV meds with her kidney/liver function compromised and you’d be holding your breath hoping her feet would stay on.

[Emilia]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7971613]
It’s 11am in Montana right now.

So I guess you’re posting from your smartphone with data plan that your parents who won’t pay for riding lessons bought you that gets great reception in the middle of nowhere when you are supposed to be paying attention in the one room wood stove heated school house out there in the sticks where you claim you live.[/QUOTE]

Well, I was wondering about that, too, Meup. Maybe, she is homeschooled. Who knows.

I only know, how come I can be at the computer in the middle of the day, reading through COTH, and that’s about it. I can only guess about other posters.

A year ago, I would have applied the same approach as you do now. I am quite sure, I chased away my share of newcomers from this board (while being a newcomer myself, ha, ha).

I did it in the name of the horse.

Then, I thought about it and changed my ways, because I came to the conclusion, there was no point to scare people away and leave them to the rest of the horse related forums and Facebook, because this is the best English speaking site on the Internet. People should be encouraged to stay here and learn.

I made that change in the name of the horse, but coming from different angle.

Horse market is so bad (except, probably, at the top), I think, it has become mandatory to try to help people, who get horses and know nothing about them.

This girl is not going to be able to sell her horse with fistulous withers to anyone. Anyone knowledgeable, to be precise. She could sell to another beginner…

That said, I appreciate your input, because, well, someone has to call out the discrepancies and you do so with a great sense of humor. If this girl is real and can learn to listen to you and see, where you are coming from, she can handle anybody.

She got a lot of good advice and a couple of people offered to mentor her. She can reach out to Cowboymom, who is a Montanan and has made herself available.

If she does not use any of the opportunity, it is her loss and my heart goes to her horses.

Even, if these two train wrecks of the week were to be a result of someone’s wild imagination and wishful thinking, it won’t take away from our collective good will to help anyone in trouble (and, when I say collective good will, I mean yours also, although you demonstrate it in a different way).

That good will remains lingering in the air.

Who knows, another, more timid, beginner will be able to pick up and use some information posted in these threads.

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7971690]
So just going by time stamps in the course of 5 minutes OP checked email, loaded COTH via what I can only assume is dial up, went out to the barn, looked at her Bute scoop, came back in the house, loaded the response page (dial up), typed out a reply, hit send, and uploaded reply.

But it has been pointed out I’m not a parent.
Any parents on here think this sounds plausible?

Either this or the medicine cabinet right there in the barn has a high speed sattelite connection.[/QUOTE]

Um…ever heard of keeping a tab up? And I have legs to run on

[Night_Flight]

OP, if you are serious about seeking help and are a real person, you might have better luck posting photos and videos when you ask questions. It can be difficult to accurately judge someone’s horse experience from forum posts alone, and many of us will err on the side of assuming that certain things are not true or are exaggerated.

When someone questions your horse-keeping abilities, you always have the option of signing up for a free Photobucket account and linking some photos of your well taken care of horses to back up your claims. Does it seem fair to have to defend yourself? Not necessarily, but you have to realize that the tone and inconsistencies in some of your posts can make it easy to dismiss you.

The same goes for training problems, swellings, lamenesses, etc. Obviously working with a good trainer or vet is ideal, but if you are unable to use those professionals as frequently as would be optimal, post photos and videos asking for help. We can’t help you based solely on changing descriptions, especially when your horse experience and terminology might be different from ours. We’re all still learning about horses, and the best horse people know how much they have yet to learn.

[meupatdoes]

And if you could pls duct tape an 8x11 to the horse’s side with “HI COTH” and today’s date, to spare you the trouble of searching for “pictures of ranch horses” on dial up.

[bugsynskeeter]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7971664]
I went and checked. Nope its a 1g scoop, so thats 4 grams a day. And if she’d be overdosed, she would be all fired up. She’s not, generally very laid back. and she’s off bute now, and I don’t hit refresh It comes to my email…I could say the same to you you know ;)[/QUOTE]

or she could be laid back because her stomach feels like it is rotting away.

[TBROCKS]

A photo is asked for and there’s crickets. Interesting…

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=TBROCKS;7971881]
A photo is asked for and there’s crickets. Interesting…[/QUOTE]

Literally SPRINTS across the yard and back to check fabled bute scoop…

…nnnnot so much sprinting for photos.

[Foxtrot_s]

I can’t believe some of these posts - give the kid a break, be nice, or don’t post. The worst side of some posters is showing.

[meupatdoes]

This is a poster with no posting history and roughly a billion discrepancies on their story. Everyone wants to believe the best of them and be nice but this is the internet.

If this were a 50 year old woman with delusions of My Little Ponydom and 17 hoarded cats in her basement would we all be super nice?

If this were a skeevy guy who likes the idea of ladies in riding gear getting up in a huff should we also be nice?

When the evidence begins to pile up that OP is not what they claim let’s keep our wits about us and not enable it.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7972025]
This is a poster with no posting history and roughly a billion discrepancies on their story. Everyone wants to believe the best of them and be nice but this is the internet.

If this were a 50 year old woman with delusions of My Little Ponydom and 17 hoarded cats in her basement would we all be super nice?

If this were a skeevy guy who likes the idea of ladies in riding gear getting up in a huff should we also be nice?

When the evidence begins to pile up that OP is not what they claim let’s keep our wits about us and not enable it.[/QUOTE]

Then report it to the mods, and let them deal with it. It’s not up to you to decide if someone is real or not, and then be nasty about it. If it IS a 15 yr old, then you have really crossed the line.

[Jealoushe]

I don’t know, 15 isn’t that young…OP is asking for help in all ways but not taking any advice to heart.

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7972049]
Then report it to the mods, and let them deal with it. It’s not up to you to decide if someone is real or not, and then be nasty about it. If it IS a 15 yr old, then you have really crossed the line.[/QUOTE]

How is pointing out repeated factual discrepancies crossing the line???
I am not calling anyone names or attacking them. When they post something that doesn’t make sense or is clearly untrue, I point it out. I am not forcing anyone to repeatedly make obviously untrue statements on a bulletin board either so it is not like I am pursuing them or harassing them. I should think the person who is repeatedly lying is crossing the line.It is a total scam but with emotions, not money.

And wasn’t it you who spent several pages of COTH internet repeatedly accusing me of tax fraud and unethical behavior? There was no amount of patient re-explanation and no number of other posters piping in that my situation sounded completely legit that appeased you. The difference is that you were making allegations about me and refusing to stop, I am merely questioning OP’s contradictory statements that no one is forcing her to make.

If OP posts a legit pic of this horse that is demonstrably not stolen from the internet I will gladly be convinced, eat crow, apologize and question her nevermore.

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7972115]
How is pointing out repeated factual discrepancies crossing the line???
I am not calling anyone names or attacking them. When they post something that doesn’t make sense or is clearly untrue, I point it out. I am not forcing anyone to repeatedly make obviously untrue statements on a bulletin board either so it is not like I am pursuing them or harassing them. I should think the person who is repeatedly lying is crossing the line.It is a total scam but with emotions, not money.[/QUOTE]

Nope this ain’t a scam! One question, how can you get pictures to fit on your profile? I’ve been trying to upload a pic for forever! Would you know how to make it smaller or get it to fit? Thanks Wait, what doesn’t line up in my answers to your questions? And what’s obviously untrue? Tell me please, so I can clear it up… if you wouldn’t mind. And I’m sorry about being rude to you this morning. It was totally uncalled for! Hope you are having a great day!

[french_fry]

Early contender for best thread of 2015

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

And I’m trying my best tho, to take advice…it’s sorta hard sorting thru the negative comments, I am often not sure what you mean, or if you’re just joking.

[Abbie.S]

OP, literally the best advice anyone here can give is: let your horse heal, so they may be their best when working with you, and then find someone in the flesh who can come work with you and your horse.

What you are asking cannot be taught on the internet.