Just checking to see what everyone uses.
I have used marestare in the past and been happy as long as I don’t browse too deep on other farms sites.
I tried ustream briefly but it involved many many extra trips to the farm because it kept dropping my cam.
I just got an email a few days ago from showcase streaming. Anyone tried them?
Thank you for asking this question. I don’t know the answer so I will wait to see what others have to say because Mare Stare will never get a dime of my money ever again. A few people have mentioned that Rich from Mare Stare went out on his own, anyone know how to find him? He was very knowledgeable and didn’t seem to be drinking the kool aid. If we do find an alternative can we make the threads emoticon free pretty please??
I just checked out showcase streaming and I’m guessing that it might be Rich’s new site
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I just checked out showcase streaming and I’m guessing that it might be Rich’s new site[/QUOTE]
Yep. Laurie (former MS mod) is there, too. I watched their cams last year, but have not kept up with things.
Hi ladies,
I am actually the owner of Showcase Streaming. Rich actually takes care of my servers for me. I offer live streaming cams, but I don’t drink the kool aid LOL. You are more than welcome to join the message board, although it does tend to stay quiet as my clients really don’t have a need to get a hold of me (is that good or bad?). As for the emoticons… there are a few basic one. I really do not plan on adding any as I have a hard enough time keeping up with posts, much less trying to decipher coded emoticons. I just started up last year, a couple cams running constantly right now. Several others will be online as foaling gets closer.
Thanks for posting Leslie! May I ask, do you have a plan for when something like what happened to Fancy happens? I personally believe that Mare Stare is partially responsible for her suffering by deleting every comment that wasn’t sunshine and roses. I do understand the need to protect the cam owner from know it all idiots but that isn’t what was happening here. Any idea how your company would handle that?
This came across my FB wall today.
Another option http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Reserve-Your-StallWatch-System-for-WEF.html?soid=1102176317759&aid=Tn-N0xDwvco#fblike
Glad to see there might be other options.
I would have been “happy” to know MS had contacted the owner and was working with her behind the scenes, but we know that does not happen…
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Thanks for posting Leslie! May I ask, do you have a plan for when something like what happened to Fancy happens? I personally believe that Mare Stare is partially responsible for her suffering by deleting every comment that wasn’t sunshine and roses. I do understand the need to protect the cam owner from know it all idiots but that isn’t what was happening here. Any idea how your company would handle that?[/QUOTE]
I don’t think there is any right or wrong way to answer this, so this is how I feel. I believe that there is a difference between being tactful and offering advice, and playing armchair expert and flaming someone. I do not believe that flaming someone is going to change the way an animal is taken care of.
That being said, years ago when I over at MS, there was a certain Spanish Arabian farm where the mares were absolutely thin. I was told by the oh mighty leader over there that it was none of my business. A couple years later, after I came up with MSC and we had it well into operation, owner of arabs came to MSC for help with vet bill for a mare with an eye injury. Money was sent to owner, and sometime later I was informed by oh mighty leader that the owner had been charged with a multitude of animal cruelty charges. Mare never saw a vet, and owner pocketed the money. I will not put up with animal cruelty, ever. I have stories that would absolutely floor you.
Not every situation is ideal by our personal standards. Not every delivery will go as WE planned it. Not everyone can offer insulated, rubber lined stalls, and not everyone has any equine vet available. Some of us have to settle for cow vets.
All in all, it is the cam owner’s barn. If they have sought the advice of their vet, and it is questionable advice, then it is their responsibility to seek a second opinion. This does not mean that the general public has the right to pull the Riot Act and attack them.
As for deleting comments, if it is kept civil, and within reasonable INTENT, then there is no call to delete. That does not mean my message board is a place for a free for all. I do not expect to see comments about people exclaiming how they are absolute ingrate idiots. All I ask is that posters remain civil, and respectful of my place of business. If there is suspected animal cruelty, I expect it to be reported directly to me, so that I may observe and report it to the proper authorities when necessary.
God I wish her cam had been on your service. Perhaps the mare and foal would be alive and the mare owner would be in jail where she belongs. I tried to get authorities to step in but it doesn’t appear that anything came from my efforts. I think we COTHers need to help support this business! And I do think Rich was the brains behind the operation over there so you got a good one.
Laurie, the one thing I have learned over the years is that it is very difficult to exact animal cruelty through a cam. Authorities see it the same way. I’m not saying you are wrong in your efforts, but unless you witness an animal being beaten or otherwise neglected, and have solid proof, then your efforts may be futile. I think the biggest reason is that Animal Control and ASPCA offices are absolutely overrun with animal cruelty cases.
As for Rich and Laurie, I love them to death! Rich and I come from similar backgrounds. I have previous experience in streaming cams, and so does he… it works well! At least this time around we both get paid for our services, and earn an honest living. Oooppss, did I say that?
But would you have contacted the owner and asked a few pertinent questions? Yes, it is her barn and yes, it is her responsibility, but YOU, as the streaming co., is also partially liable for educating the owner if necessary and the audience. Letting cams run when a mare is in distress is being complicit.
There have been many instances at MS where I have turned the cams off (remember Sassy?), but there are also many breeders who are knowledgeable and watching them helps learn something.
But would you have contacted the owner and asked a few pertinent questions? Yes, it is her barn and yes, it is her responsibility, but YOU, as the streaming co., are also partially liable for educating the owner if necessary and the audience. Letting cams run when a mare is in distress is being complicit.<br>There have been many instances at MS where I have turned the cams off (remember Sassy?), but there are also many breeders who are knowledgeable and watching them helps learn something.<br>
How about not pooping for 5 days due to a supposedly twisted rectum?
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If there is suspected animal cruelty, I expect it to be reported directly to me, so that I may observe and report it to the proper authorities when necessary.[/QUOTE]
Why should they report it to you? Sincere question. Do you have training as an abuse investigator that makes you a better judge of such situations than the person watching? Do you have veterinary training that makes you more capable of assessing the situation and determining if they are doing the right thing? Does your TOS allow you to request/require evidence that they are conforming to some (clearly defined, I hope) minimum standards of care in order to stream their cams via your service?
Is it really any better to have a site where all such discussions are expected to happen through a (possibly untrained) moderator than one where they are stifled?
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Why should they report it to you? Sincere question. Do you have training as an abuse investigator that makes you a better judge of such situations than the person watching? Do you have veterinary training that makes you more capable of assessing the situation and determining if they are doing the right thing? Does your TOS allow you to request/require evidence that they are conforming to some (clearly defined, I hope) minimum standards of care in order to stream their cams via your service?
Is it really any better to have a site where all such discussions are expected to happen through a (possibly untrained) moderator than one where they are stifled?[/QUOTE]
My gosh, really? I do not believe Leslie came on here to be peppered and attacked. She stated she would NOT put up with ANY animal abuse, ever.
Emotions run high as far as the treatment of these amazing animals. I do believe that saying she or any cam streaming business is liable for the actions of a horse owner is, quite honestly, going out on a limb. By those standards we should all be responsible for the mistreatment of children. But we are not, correct? The parent is.
I appauld Leslie for conducting herself as tactfully as possible in this very hot subject.
No Lisa, if you see a child being abused and do nothing about it, you are responsible for allowing the abuse to continue. It takes a village.
I agree. Not liable for the abuse itself, but liable for not reporting it and continuing to show it on line.
First, I do not deal with heresay. I want the facts, and I do not want to hear them from someone who “thinks” they know. Contact the owner, yes I do, even now.
Laurie, I do not know the particular case you are speaking of. Was it known that the colon was twisted before treatment? Was the treatment guided by a vet? Was this an on going issue? Again, I want to know the facts.
Halt, it is to be reported to me because it is my website, and therefore my responsibility. Do I have abuse investigation or veterinary training? No. Have I dealt with abuse cases before, yes. I am not an expert, but I do have experts available at my disposal. As for minimum standards of care, no. Minimum standards of care are objectionable and change from state to state. I cannot dictate something like that.
As for discussions going through me, I never stated that I expected them to go through me. I’m not sure where that came from. You are free to discuss what you will, but as I did said, I expected it to remain civil and respectful. I also expect to be notified if you suspect cruelty or neglect. I did not say YOU may not contact authorities. After all, if there truly is neglect, then there is power in numbers. In working with rescues and authorities through the years, the one thing you will learn is that hostility changes nothing.
Leslie, thanks for the response. My questions were sincere, not an attack, and I appreciate the additional clarification.
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