Looking for Chrome Killer Stallions

[Up_North]

I’m appealing to my fellow breeding addicts for suggestions on stallions who are not known for throwing much white. I’m looking for something to produce a hunter. If the stallion was back/bay that would be a bonus. Fresh or frozen

I have two experienced hunter broodmares that both have a lot of white markings that they tend to pass on. Both girls are lovely, known producers, but each needs something different in a stallion, so I won’t get into all those details here.

Really I’m just looking for suggestions on stallions that might help “tone down” the look.

Colour producers (or lack there of), can be a sensitive topic for some people. So if you have a comment, but would rather not post it publically, please send me a PM. I would really appreciate hearing any honest advice or first hand experiences from others.

TIA!

[beowulf]

Without knowing or seeing the mares you may not get a lot of feedback, and my feedback isn’t worth any more than you paid for it.

Schroeder and Freestyle come to mind as horses who are mostly solid. Most of their offspring that I’ve seen are dark with minimal or no white. Neither are ‘hunter’ stallions but I’ve seen several of their offspring in multiple different disciplines.

[Didi]

Escudo I or Escudo II (II is deceased but I understand there is still some frozen). Produce largely solid offspring, but their get are usually extremely smart and not particularly ammy friendly - really sweet on the ground but need an advanced rider.

[Formosus]

Rubignon
Chromed up chestnut mare bred to him produced a chesnut filly with NOT ONE white hair!!

[siegi_b]

Dutch stallion Ferro… he’s homozygous for the black gene and definitely reduces white markings. He also was quite a jumper before they put him in the dressage ring.

[europa]

Funny…I was going to say Rubignon…out of a chrome chrome and more chrome mare (as in every family member has lots of white) come Rubio (Chestnut) with a perfect blaze and not a speck of white. Strange…never had a full chestnut and believe me he is stunning.
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[Didi]

Europa - I clicked on your link. What a beautiful foal! Congratulations!

[ahf]

Fielding is a chrome-killer. As was his mother.

When bred to my very loud sabino mare (who normally threw bald faces, four tall whites, and belly splashes), the best he could do was one small star, and three anklets.

[Amberkez]

Arrian perhaps? All the ones Ive seen are uniform bays w/ little to no white

[horsechick]

What are the bloodlines on your mares? Just so we don’t suggest anything not appropriate.

Crown Affair?

[LearningBearWithMe]

I’m so curious as to why people don’t want chrome? (As my name suggests, I know very little and I promise I’m just asking out of sheer ignorance.) I thought generally, especially in the hunter ring, the flashier the better…?

[Blume_Farm]

[QUOTE=LearningBearWithMe;8020023]
I’m so curious as to why people don’t want chrome? (As my name suggests, I know very little and I promise I’m just asking out of sheer ignorance.) I thought generally, especially in the hunter ring, the flashier the better…?[/QUOTE]

Funny, I used to always want chrome but always seemed to produce horses with minimal, minimal color. The only thing I have produced with color was a pony I bred that has four white stockings and a large blaze. Every time I see his owner at the shows cleaning his legs with purple shampoo and me not even having to bathe my all black, no white mare I am thankful for no chrome:)

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=LearningBearWithMe;8020023]
I’m so curious as to why people don’t want chrome? (As my name suggests, I know very little and I promise I’m just asking out of sheer ignorance.) I thought generally, especially in the hunter ring, the flashier the better…?[/QUOTE]

The hunter world is highly subject to trends, fads, and opinions. “Bling” goes in and out of style depending on the year and who you ask. If flashy horses are winning, suddenly everyone wants one. But when one conservative judge or BNT to speaks out against chrome, everyone jumps off the bandwagon.

Plainly colored horses never go out of style. After all, the goal of hunter classes is to match the ideal-- and that ideal was originally based on the conservative hunt horse.

[DownYonder]

Back in the day, the classic look in the hunter ring was a plain dark bay. Then along came Popeye K, and folks went berserk for chrome. Everyone and their brother wanted something with lots of bling - I guess they thought the judges believed all that white made the horse jump better. :lol:

OP - it is my understanding that the color experts believe the black gene “turns off” chrome more reliably than the red gene. IOW, a plain black or bay horse will tend to not throw chrome as frequently in its dark colored offspring, as it will in its chestnut colored offspring (assuming it carries the red gene). So perhaps your best bet is to use plain black/dark bay stallions that are homozygous for dark coats.

[LearningBearWithMe]

Thank you Blume Farm, Texarkana, and DownYonder!

Makes sense to me. And yes… having now accidentally dyed my boy’s four white socks purple, I definitely understand the practical benefits of a chrome-free horse!

[camohn]

Escudo II comes to mind

[risingstarfarm]

If you’re looking for a stallion that has actually competed in the hunters and reliably produces ammy-friendly, dark coated offspring with minimal white, take a look at Figaro B. Here’s a link to a derby trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_fyz7deX7I He stamps his offspring. I mean, really stamps his offspring. I’m happy to share photos of offspring that look exactly like him. Success with the youngsters in hunter breeding and super for ammies in the ring.

[risingstarfarm]

I should also mention Cartier R. While not reliably a chrome-killer, there have been a fair number of offspring that share his minimal white (star and one sock). He’s never produced anything but a bay or black offspring. Again, proven in the ring (appropriate for his age) and producing beautiful hunter type offspring. I’ve had clients tell me they would buy one every year if they could Cartier: https://vimeo.com/111271038

[RyuEquestrian]

Most Hanoverians (R and E line) come to mind. Examples as mentioned above: Sons of Rubinstein or Escudo.

We bred our Chestnut Sabino mare (blaze, socks, belly spots) to Crown Affair in 2011, and this was our resulting filly.

[Hilltopfarmva]

Figaro B!! He throws your classic hunter type and a gorgeous rich bay with very little to no white. I have a coming 3 yr old filly already near 16.3 and she is a first foal out of a 16.1 hand TB mare. I also bred him to another TB of mine which is due in May this year.

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