Looking for Info on Marina Genn

[RBABKA]

[QUOTE=arlosmine;8761585]
The question, RBABKA, is why does it matter to YOU? It seems you have a personal axe to grind here.

What is it that you think Marina would achieve by being listed as an Ammy? To me, this sounds like a 22 year old error that never got corrected because she didn’t plan on showing. She may have checked the wrong box, or it may have been recorded incorrectly and she simply never noticed, because…why would she if she wasn’t showing? She probably paid for a life membership and forgot all about it. It’s not like she’s been competing as an amateur. The degree to which you are torqued about this seems disproportionate to the “crime”.

You sound like a vindictive, petty person.[/QUOTE]
No not at all. This is about the right thing to do in this industry from a deontological perspective. I believe that engaging in wider narratives to secure the development of expertise, responsibility and risk management , is important. Please do not misunderstand my view, qualitative viewpoints are by inductive reasoning. However, differences of opinion are important in decision making. I respect your view and the rules.

[hoopoe]

:nonchalance:

[dotneko]

I am pretty sure the USEF does not care so long as she is not showing. That is the only time an actual violation occurs. Again, she does not show. She does not advertise herself as an AA. Honestly, how do you even know she is listed as an AA.
These potatoes are so small they wouldn’t fit on a shrimp fork.

I rode with Marina in the 80s. She was tough but fair.

[Silverbridge]

I personally exude in underscoring a flabbergasting narrative, when it comes to encroaching ill will via expanding etymological corporate systemic derivations.

The best and most achievable outcome is increasingly likely to be placing less emotional weight on widely sourced outliers.

The desired effect is a reduction the level of excremenatory excess in one’s measurable impactness upon random, nauseous external persons-- many of whom are Internetally reachable and additionals perhaps later to be encountered.

[Silverbridge]

[QUOTE=RBABKA;8761612]
This is about the right thing to do in this industry from a deontological perspective. I believe that engaging in wider narratives to secure the development of expertise, responsibility and risk management , is important. Please do not misunderstand my view, qualitative viewpoints are by inductive reasoning. However, differences of opinion are important in decision making. [/QUOTE]

I personally exude in underscoring a flabbergasting narrative, when it comes to encroaching ill will via expanding etymological corporate systemic derivations.

The best and most achievable outcome is increasingly likely to be placing less emotional weight on widely sourced outliers.

The desired effect is a reduction of the level of excrementatory excess in one’s measurable impactness upon random, nauseous external persons-- many of whom are Internetally reachable (and additionals perhaps later to be encountered).

[RBABKA]

[QUOTE=Silverbridge;8761661]
I personally exude in underscoring a flabbergasting narrative, when it comes to encroaching ill will via expanding etymological corporate systemic derivations.

The best and most achievable outcome is increasingly likely to be placing less emotional weight on widely sourced outliers.

The desired effect is a reduction the level of excremenatory excess in one’s measurable impactness upon random, nauseous external persons-- many of whom are Internetally reachable and additionals perhaps later to be encountered.[/QUOTE]
Wow that is really funny and ambivalent about the USEF and its rules. This is about receiving revenue as an amateur. No different than football, golf,baseball etc. Amateurs are not allowed to receive money for showing, training,instructing,boarding etc. only professionals can whether your competing or not.That is the USEF rules not mine. If she is an amateur okay, than advertise it on her website. That is fine and okay. All I suggest is play by the rules in this country. As a veteran of the USAF, I simply ask that all abide by the rules and if you do not than that is your choice and freedom as is your choice of prolixity. I do not have a problem if the USEF augments their rules. Thank you

[Cat_Tap]

Marina and her then husband settled in my area when they first arrived from Germany in the 80s. Unfortunately this area was not ready for dressage and they had been ill advised by the developer. They imported a lot of horses sold at auction but most of the local people being used to TBs didn’t know how to deal with the warmblood.

They had a huge facility, many stalls, several arenas and three trainers. The business could not be sustained and eventually they sold, divorced and moved on.

I did have a clinic with her at my place which was well received. My horse at the time was an OTTB who was very green and really not ready for such a clinic. I found her to be kind and helpful doing her best with what she had to work with.

[Highflyer]

[QUOTE=RBABKA;8761692]
Wow that is really funny and ambivalent about the USEF and its rules. This is about receiving revenue as an amateur. No different than football, golf,baseball etc. Amateurs are not allowed to receive money for showing, training,instructing,boarding etc. only professionals can whether your competing or not.That is the USEF rules not mine. If she is an amateur okay, than advertise it on her website. That is fine and okay. All I suggest is play by the rules in this country. As a veteran of the USAF, I simply ask that all abide by the rules and if you do not than that is your choice and freedom as is your choice of prolixity. I do not have a problem if the USEF augments their rules. Thank you[/QUOTE]

If you have proof that she is in violation of the rules, report it. Much more productive than complaining online.

[dotneko]

Again, exactly what rule is she in violation of? She is not SHOWING as an amateur.
Tell me exactly the rule number she is in violation of? (OK, how do I not end that sentence with a preposition?)

Until she actually signs an entry form, no harm, no foul.

[RBABKA]

[QUOTE=Highflyer;8761723]
If you have proof that she is in violation of the rules, report it. Much more productive than complaining online.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your advice. This dialogue is very good for my qualitative research regarding the equine industry in the USA.In a different unrelated topic do you all think it is a good idea to train adults and children with draw/side reins all the time during basic instruction??

[dotneko]

It is fairly common to put students in side reins on the lunge until they develop an independent seat in Europe. Helps preserve the mouths of saintly school horses.

Perhaps start another thread since this has naught to do with Marina Genn.
(or does it? are we being led down some garden path at the posters direction?)

[dressurpferd01]

[QUOTE=RBABKA;8761744]
Thank you for your advice. This dialogue is very good for my qualitative research regarding the equine industry in the USA.In a different unrelated topic do you all think it is a good idea to train adults and children with draw/side reins all the time during basic instruction??[/QUOTE]

Who’s got a big can of Troll-B-Gone? Mods, can we ban this one already?

[Scribbler]

[QUOTE=RBABKA;8761612]
No not at all. This is about the right thing to do in this industry from a deontological perspective. I believe that engaging in wider narratives to secure the development of expertise, responsibility and risk management , is important. Please do not misunderstand my view, qualitative viewpoints are by inductive reasoning. However, differences of opinion are important in decision making. I respect your view and the rules.[/QUOTE]

You know, this statement really doesn’t make sense (and I use this kind of language in my professional life). It is also internally contradictory.

As far as the amateur/professional question, as everyone has said on numerous COTH posts, and on this one, the USEF rules on amateur and professional status only apply to what classes you can show in. The USEF does not run a larger licensing bureau for instructors, or monitor the hobby and business activities of all riders in the USA. No one does that. In other words, no one is in charge. Things might be different in other countries, but that’s how they work in the USA. The USEF distinction between amateur and professional is only about whether you show in open or adult amateur classes.

You could teach one or two kiddies walk/trot classes, and therefore have to declare yourself a professional, and compete in open, even if you really don’t have the skills or knowledge for anyone over the age of seven to think of you as a professional instructor. You could be a highly skilled amateur, able to ride and train difficult horses, a better rider (and potentially a better coach) than many pros, but if you’ve never taken money for your services, you can continue to show in AA, though you might also be winning in open.

Plus, if you go for a certain time period without taking money (I think it’s a year?) then you can reinstate your ammie status with the USEF.

In other words, RBAKA has made a basic ontological error about the nature of the USEF. Given that error, there is no deontological argument to be made here.

As far as Marina, I don’t know her or the VA horse scene. But her bio and website suggest she must be over 60 by now, and hasn’t shown in years. She’s clearly trying to hold to the standards of her youth in Germany, which is going to interest some clients, and not others. She’s kept her own facility going for some time, apparently, but is not a household name.

I can’t see any point in worrying about her USEF status, or even bringing it up, unless you have a particular personal quarrel with her. In that case, it would be more interesting to hear about the quarrel and we could all get popcorn. As they say on COTH

[Graymaresrule]

[QUOTE=RBABKA;8761161]
hoopie, am not a first timer. Have been in the business for 40 years. Now the USEF rules state if one receives money for instruction,training,boarding etc. then they are not amateur. Why does she have amateur status when receiving remuneration?? We once knew a rider here that was identified as an professional when classifying herself as a amateur in shows. She was suspended for that by the USEF and this happened years ago. I also agree with the post I responded too as well concerning the bedding . I do not think she has a degree as well which is important in my opinion. The equestrian community looks upon professionals as a source of knowledge and motivation and requires that all follow the rules. By the way I am 65.[/QUOTE]

The absolute worst person I ever rode with had a BSc and a BHSI. The best has a PharmD.

I’m 67

[QUOTE=dotneko;8761742]Again, exactly what rule is she in violation of? She is not SHOWING as an amateur.
Tell me exactly the rule number she is in violation of? (OK, how do I not end that sentence with a preposition?)

Until she actually signs an entry form, no harm, no foul.[/QUOTE]

What rule has she violated?

[frankiec]

I’m the UK, the home of BHS qualifications and even here the standard you get can vary dramatically! In fact in the UK its commonly understood that BHS qualifications are a guideline and you look at the trainer in front of you. The higher you get riding wise the less likely you are to care less about BHS qualifications and more about experience and how you gel

[luvmyhackney]

Thank you for moving this thread up. I’m moving near her facility and it looks like a wonderful place for my kids and myself to receive quality instruction and ride. She has great programs for kids via her website. Adding it to my list of places to visit in NO VA area!!

I could care less about USEF status if she’s not showing. I doubt if USEF is going to waste their time unless she does show and submits an entry fee.

[Rooty]

[QUOTE=Cat Tap;8761702]
Marina and her then husband settled in my area when they first arrived from Germany in the 80s. Unfortunately this area was not ready for dressage and they had been ill advised by the developer. They imported a lot of horses sold at auction but most of the local people being used to TBs didn’t know how to deal with the warmblood.

They had a huge facility, many stalls, several arenas and three trainers. The business could not be sustained and eventually they sold, divorced and moved on.

I did have a clinic with her at my place which was well received. My horse at the time was an OTTB who was very green and really not ready for such a clinic. I found her to be kind and helpful doing her best with what she had to work with.[/QUOTE]

I remember the facility well - for the time it was state of the art and they were ahead of their time. I lived in Hamilton then but I don’t remember if they offered lessons or if they were simply out of my parent’s price range.

In my horsey circle she is well-regarded.

[Graymaresrule]

[QUOTE=frankiec;8761933]
I’m the UK, the home of BHS qualifications and even here the standard you get can vary dramatically! In fact in the UK its commonly understood that BHS qualifications are a guideline and you look at the trainer in front of you. The higher you get riding wise the less likely you are to care less about BHS qualifications and more about experience and how you gel :)[/QUOTE]

Yup, I have ridden with both good and bad BHS instructors. I made that comment in response to the observation that MG didn’t even have a degree.

[Cat_Tap]

[QUOTE=Rooty;8763217]
I remember the facility well - for the time it was state of the art and they were ahead of their time. I lived in Hamilton then but I don’t remember if they offered lessons or if they were simply out of my parent’s price range.

In my horsey circle she is well-regarded.[/QUOTE]

They did give lessons and yes the horses were in side reins which seemed foreign to us “hunter” riders. They were ahead of their time for this area.

[Janet]

[QUOTE=dotneko;8761742]
Again, exactly what rule is she in violation of? She is not SHOWING as an amateur.
Tell me exactly the rule number she is in violation of? (OK, how do I not end that sentence with a preposition?)[/QUOTE]

GR1307.8

GR1307.8. Any person who under these rules is a professional and knowingly and falsely represents himself/herself to be an amateur by declaring or maintaining current amateur status issued by the Federation, and any person who violates any of the provisions of this rule will be subject to disciplinary action under Chapter 7.

But nobody is likely to CARE if she is not competing.