Lost Jockey Club Papers.

[No_Halo]

I just acquired an absolutely amazing OTTB.
His registered named is No Halo On Me. Born in 2005.

He was bought off a slaughter truck, basically. So, he did not come with his papers.
Besides refiling through JC, is there any way to track down barns, trainers, owners, ect to see if I can get his original papers.

He’s a beautiful, handsome 17.2 hand light bay, with a crooked start, strip and snip. He has a pastern and a sock on the back, and an osselet and bad scarring on his front legs. He also has a white scar behind his ear were it was ripped off during training…

Anyways… I just am looking for his papers before I refile!!

Thank you for all your help.

Also, I believe he is NY bred, and raced.

[Langfuhr]

Your best bet is to contact Marcus Vitali and if theyre still on file with Suffolk, Paul Buckley would have to sign them over since hes the last owner of record, unless it was done so after your horse left their hands and assuming theres some sort of paper trail that u can provide

[furlong47]

You need to track down the last owner as listed by Langfuhr. If they don’t have the papers, you might have to follow the ownership trail until you find them. The only way to get papers reissued is to have the last owner write a signed statement about how the papers became lost. If they don’t want to give you the papers or won’t sign a statement for you then you’re SOL. You have a gelding, so are papers really necessary?

[brightskyfarm]

Yes hes a NY bred…amazingly, he won his last race out! Paul Buckley was the owner at the time.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=SUF&dt=07/06/2010&ctry=USA&race=8

 You might try contacting Paul privately, simply asking and see what kind of response you get. Dealing with MV isnt always the easiest thing. As mentioned, hes a gelding.

 You can print his race record, pedigree and frame those!~

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbHorseInfo.cfm?refno=7496070&registry=T
Pedigree>http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=7496070

   I have a horse with Halo pedigree (grandsire dam side) with (slew as grand on sire side) and hes the sweetest horse Ive ever owned; soounds like yours --- lucky us, huh?

 Your horse had 5 wins out of 42, so if you go through his race record to find whioch track photographer, maybe you can get a win picture.

[No_Halo]

Thank you!!!
Yes, he is a gelding, but I would like his papers anyways… weird huh?

Bright - I guess we did get lucky!!! Although this guy seems to have a hard past, he’s down right amazing… and so loving.

Any other advice is appreciated!

Thanks again!

[No_Halo]

How do I get contact information for Paul Buckley? Tried Google…

[moonriverfarm]

Glad you got him. OTTBs are amazing, wonderful partners!

[ptownevt]

One reason to need papers: to register a horse with the USDF in order to qualify for breed awards and to promote OTTBs.

[brightskyfarm]

Absolutely right ptownevet!~
I do not purchase ANY retiring TB unless there are papers with no restrictions – for just that reason – my market usually does show or event and they are necessary in those cases. Many go on to race P-t-P’s too.

Contact for PB should be on file at Suffolk (where he held an owners license). Call them and simply ask for contact info for PB, phone and address/email if they have it – you dont need to explain why.
Phone: (617) 567-3900 >ask for the Licensing Office

No Halo, if I recall right, your horse raced last July, so papers are most likely still with Horse ID at Suffolk but it will require (owner?) trainer to secure them. (you absolutly cannot).

[No_Halo]

Thank you Bright!

[No_Halo]

Hi everyone.
So I finally had a few free minutes and called Suffolk. The licensing office wouldn’t give me Paul’s number, but they took mine And said they would call him and relay the message (somehow I don’t think he’ll call)
Then I talked to the racing office, and they said they don’t have papers on file for horses last year.
Kinda at a loss.
Should I try calling JC? I read they are a pain to talk to sometimes.

What a joke… can’t people just sell horses with their papers?!

Anymore ideas would be great! Thank you.

[pinkdiamondracing]

The JC isn’t going to do anything for you-- if the last owner of record does not want to give you the papers, there is nothing you can do. I personally do not give papers on horses I retire and rehome, in order to ensure they never race again-- no papers, no race-- that simple.

[No_Halo]

People like myself, have no intentions on racing said horse… but want the papers for said horse.
Its kinda of irritating that people think they hold a horses papers even when they aren’t owners anymore.

[jenarby]

It’s just the way it is. They don’t HAVE to give up the papers if they don’t want to. I knew of a trainer who didn’t want to give them up on an older gelding. The buyer was a hunter show person who promised they had no intentions of ever racing that horse. A year or so later he showed up, back on the track under a new owner and broke down. THIS is why some trainers don’t give up papers. If nothing else, if/when you reach the last trainer, ask for a COPY of the papers. At least then you can prove pedigree on him for shows.

[hrsmstr]

No Halo, did I read your original post correctly? Is your horse missing an EAR from a training accident?

Oh man. That must have hurt.

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=jenarby;5705808]
It’s just the way it is. They don’t HAVE to give up the papers if they don’t want to. I knew of a trainer who didn’t want to give them up on an older gelding. The buyer was a hunter show person who promised they had no intentions of ever racing that horse. A year or so later he showed up, back on the track under a new owner and broke down. THIS is why some trainers don’t give up papers. If nothing else, if/when you reach the last trainer, ask for a COPY of the papers. At least then you can prove pedigree on him for shows.[/QUOTE]

Well, strictly speaking, it is printed on JC foal papers that “Certificate is to be preserved and transferred to purchaser gratis is this horse is sold.” If one wanted to make a stink with them, the papers go with the horse, the owner can’t retain them or charge extra for them.

Once they’re lost or the trainer’s being a jerk, though, you are kind of SOL. But for a gelding it is a bit beside the point. (Needing them for USDF is an issue with them, not the JC. What if it’s a horse who isn’t registered anywhere? Do they not get any points? Are you supposed to make up your own Walkarabaloosainto Warmblood registry (membership = 1) for them?)

[judybigredpony]

my market usually does show or event and they are necessary in those cases. Many go on to race P-t-P’s too.

P-t-P agree yes

Their tattoo is proof and they do not need JC papers to event or H/J…sold close to 100 and maybe 20 had papers…neither do you need for USEF or USEA ID (only for Breed awards) they have a Tat you can get Sire Dam and race information.
You do need a bill of sale or proof of ownership.

Stallions yes, Broodmares for breeding Geldings no way.

I don’t ask or want papers if they hand them over fine…for fillies yeah I prefer but I don’t promote selling breeding stock.

[No_Halo]

Hr. It was glued back on, I guess. He’s got a nasty white scar on the backside of his ear. He had a hard life on the track. Lots of scarring and injuries.

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=No Halo;5706324]
Hr. It was glued back on, I guess. He’s got a nasty white scar on the backside of his ear. He had a hard life on the track. Lots of scarring and injuries.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps all the more reason to insure the horse does not end up back at the races by withholding the papers. Not too long ago there was a high profile case where a stallion was sold with a contract stating he was never to be raced. The contract was signed by both parties but the buyer had a change of heart and next thing you know the horse was back at the races. I bet the sellers wished they had withheld those papers.

And no way they glued his ear on.

[No_Halo]

I’m not hear to DEBATE what injuries my horse went through.
and truthfully I didn’t ask for what your opinion is on his ear.

And I am not the one who put him on a slaughter truck.
I swear I stated he doesn’t have papers because he came off a meat truck.

So, back to my ORIGINAL post.
I’m looking for information on how to get ahold of MV or PB.
The ideas given were tried, without success.

If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all!