Quick! Someone needs to tell Bruce Davidson, Denny Emerson, Nancy Guyotte et al that they should ditch* their worthless paperless homebred mongrel eventing prospects immediately!
(* and by “ditch”, of course I mean responsibly rehome, you silly racing people!)
Quick! Someone needs to tell Bruce Davidson, Denny Emerson, Nancy Guyotte et al that they should ditch* their worthless paperless homebred mongrel eventing prospects immediately!
Stepehn Bradley, Boyd Martin, Philip Dutton, Ryan Woods, Julie Richards, Phyliss Dawson, Steuart Pittman (breeder of TB), Allison Springer, and the list goes on
Flashwhitelock…why don’t you go cross post this over on the Eventing Forum…or the Hunter Jumper Forum…seriously almost had her nose ripped off…is like No Halo’s ear getting glued back on??
No one here is stupid and we know tattoos and T.I.P. rules…
If having Papers is darn important wouldn’t you think USEA and USEF would make a ruling???
From a re-sellers point of view to all my clients who send me their lovely retired OTTB I don’t need no JC Papers to sell a horse. To my customers No Papers means No papers. You know what Flash still selling horses to quality top sports horse careers…
The Jockey Club already offers non-racing papers for throroughbreds. It’s called the PHR. The Jockey Club created the registry to provide papers for thoroughbreds post-race career. When I worked for TJC, there was little to no interest in the registry, so TJC turned it over to the USEF for management. The PHR registry now allows other breeds, but you can still register your OTTB, and those papers will provide the necessary proof of pedigree for whatever discipline you choose. As a thoroughbred breeder/owner I turn the TJC certificate in and provide the new owner with PHR papers and a copy of the old TJC certificate attached.
The Jockey Club will back these papers with other breed organizations (such as Hanno) for inclusion of mares into the other studbooks (which was part of my job when working for TJC).
http://www.phr.com/pageDisplay.aspx?pid=history
ETA: is there a way to make this info a seperate ‘sticky’, as this topic seems to come up frequently???
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“If the tatoo is no longer there (she’d cut her nose almost off when loose one day.) then NO, I can only use the papers to confirm her background. Many of the TB’s I’ve worked with over the years have not had legible tatoos and that’s according to the vet’s trying to read them with a black light.”[/QUOTE]
Do you know the mare’s registered name or any parts of the tattoo? If so, you can send photos and any other information you have to tjctip@jockeyclub.com and if the ID can be verified you’ll get a letter which will provide all the information you need to participate in TIP classes and awards and may even suffice for purposes of other breed registries or disciplines.
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The Jockey Club already offers non-racing papers for throroughbreds. It’s called the PHR. The Jockey Club created the registry to provide papers for thoroughbreds post-race career. When I worked for TJC, there was little to no interest in the registry, so TJC turned it over to the USEF for management. The PHR registry now allows other breeds, but you can still register your OTTB, and those papers will provide the necessary proof of pedigree for whatever discipline you choose. As a thoroughbred breeder/owner I turn the TJC certificate in and provide the new owner with PHR papers and a copy of the old TJC certificate attached.
The Jockey Club will back these papers with other breed organizations (such as Hanno) for inclusion of mares into the other studbooks (which was part of my job when working for TJC).
http://www.phr.com/pageDisplay.aspx?pid=history
ETA: is there a way to make this info a seperate ‘sticky’, as this topic seems to come up frequently???[/QUOTE]
The Jockey Club has had no involvement with the PHR registry for many years. They sold the registry to a private individual who arranged a transfer to USEF.
There is a cost involved in using PHR to obtain papers. If you want to verify the identity of the horse you’ll need to do DNA testing.
PHR ‘registers’ horses of many breeds but a good portion of them are simply recorded for the awards program which does not require DNA testing. PHR papers alone prove nothing. Not even the age of the horse let alone pedigree. I believe only intact males and mares are eligible for DNA typing
It’s misleading to say that the PHR is the registry for non racing TB’s as there may have been no verifiable ID check.
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