Has anyone tried this product?
I’ve talked to 2 people who have used it and are happy with it, but I’m looking for more reviews.
It sounds promising, but so does every other product. It has the same ingredients as Succeed but half the cost!
https://www.madbarn.com/product/visceral/
Any information is appreciated!
Looks to me like it has completely different and way better ‘holistic’ ulcer soothing ingredients than Succeed. Even Smart Gut pellets are better than Succeed – unless I’m looking up the wrong Succeed product. ???
Visceral active ingredients =
Lecithin
Glutamine
Bio-Mos, EMP
Marshmallow Root Extract
Slippery Elm Bark
Magnesium Oxide
LG-MAX
Choline Chloride
Methionine
Meadowsweet
Milk Thistle
Chamomile Flowers
Licorice Root
Kelp Mea
MB-5 strain probiotic
Smart Gut Pellets active ingredients =
L-Glutamine5,000 mg
Calcium Carbonate4,500 mg
Magnesium Carbonate3,000 mg
Hydrolyzed Collagen2,700 mg
Magnesium Silicate1,700 mg
Deglycyrrized Licorice1,500 mg
Mannanoligosaccharides1,300 mg
Glycine875 mg
Gamma Oryzanol300 mg
Slippery Elm300 mg
Marshmallow Root250 mg
Orthosilic Acid35 mg
(Silica)
Lactobacillus Acidophilus750 million CFU
Succeed =
Oat Flour, Oat Oil, Irradiated Dried Yeast, L-Threonine, L-Glutamine
danacat ~ you got the right succeed!
LadyB, you might want to look up G’s Formula. Made in BC, Canada, so no border crossing.
https://www.gsorganicsolutions.com/?gclid=CL2hi9O6ptECFRZqfgod9WgF_g
Haven’t used it personally, but may be another option if it works out economically
Chamomile is a forbidden substance by USEF guidelines, so they are misleading when they say it will not “test.” Unless there just isn’t a good test for it.
Ok, saw Mad Barn is out of Ontario, so G’s Formula may not be cheaper. Looks interesting!
FWIW at my barn almost everyone who was feeding equine choice switched over to the mad barn probiotic and say they noticed a positive difference, plus it seems to be more cost efficient.
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Chamomile is a forbidden substance by USEF guidelines, so they are misleading when they say it will not “test.” Unless there just isn’t a good test for it.[/QUOTE]
I am in Canada, and I believe so is this company, so for Canadians it may not Test.
G’s Formula doesn’t have chamomile, that I can see…
I can’t find any of the clinical trials they reference to support it’s “proven” ability to treat and prevent ulcers.
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I am in Canada, and I believe so is this company, so for Canadians it may not Test.[/QUOTE]
Ah my mistake. Sorry. I’m surprised they don’t incorporate each others’ lists like USEF does with FEI.
Thought I would update, almost done my first bag of Visceral and I can say I’ve noticed a difference already.
My horse was never scoped, but showed signs, and I was informed by a vet that he most likely has ulcers. More Hing gut though.
I used to not be able to groom his stomach without a bit of anger and protest, never too nasty, but definitely words were exchanged to me. He also used to turn around at me with his head. Anyways, since being on the Visceral for only a couple of weeks, he shows no protest, no upset, nothing. He just stands there happily. It’s huge!
I also did switch his feed to Brooks Fiber O Plus, so it could be a good combination, but definitely a change for sure!
Thanks for the update, LadyB. I am going through ulcer treatment with GG right now and have been handwringing how to support her continued belly health after the treatment. This looks like it might be a great product - and love that it’s Canadian.
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Thanks for the update, LadyB. I am going through ulcer treatment with GG right now and have been handwringing how to support her continued belly health after the treatment. This looks like it might be a great product - and love that it’s Canadian.[/QUOTE]
I’ve just ordered my first container of the Visceral for my mare who is a cribber/wind sucker, typical “ulcery” behaviour. Very interested to see if I see any results!
I must apologize, we certainly were not trying to mislead. Chamomile is not banned by any Canadian body or FEI. It is by AERC and USEF, so we will remove the claim from the website. The paste version does not contain chamomile, so could be used during competition.
The clinical trial was not published. It was conducted by Halton Equine Veterinary Services. Horses were enrolled when they were scoped and positively diagnosed with ulcers. After 30-60 days of treatment with Visceral+ they were scoped a second time. All horses showed significant improvement to complete healing. I will be the first to admit that performing a study in this manner has several limitations, but was of sufficient quality the veterinarians were convinced the product was performing as required.
How many and what grade ulcers?
How much was “significant” improvement?
Where there any control horses who also scoped positive?
I bought the large container but was really disappointed when the gastroscope showed glandular ulcers But maybe my horse was the expection I’ve even considered trying the supplement again.
It was 10 horses and severity ranged from hyperkeratosis to severe ulceration. They were all in the non-glandular region though. Significant improvement in all but two cases was complete healing and the two that still had low grade ulcers were improved. There was no control group, so the probability exists that all horses spontaneously healed, hence my comments about understanding the limitations of performing a study in this manner.
More controlled studies are getting underway, which will be published, but that takes time.
We are looking for horses with glandular ulcers though to do some further testing on. @Fharoah if you contact us directly I would like to discuss.
Wanted to re-open this thread to find out if the controlled studies had been published yet.
If not, what have the current results been?
Thanks!
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