Has anybody had better luck with Quiessence Vs MagRestore for a calming/quieting supplement?
I started using MagRestore and Focus recently due to all the positive reviews…but I have to admit that I don’t see much improvement if any as compared to Quiessence:no: it’s my understanding that it’s supposed to be much more bio available, and therefore better absorbed and therefore you will use less than with Quiessence…but I’m Finding the opposite to be true:confused:
How long have you been using the MagRestore?
I started with maintenance dose and saw zero results too. Then Carla suggested double dose and I added Focus daily too.
Been exactly 2 weeks now and only now I’m starting to see some improvement in turnout.
My horse has abnormal turnout anxieties and often just cannot be turned out, but seems MagRestore/Focus is starting to have some effect.
I have to agree with you however, from the positive reviews I had read, I had also hoped a better, more pronounced response :(.
But I have literally tried every other calming supplement out there, even Perfect Prep did nothing, Valerian doesn’t touch him, Grand Calm, you name it.
Perhaps some horses are just the way they are and nothing makes a difference, sigh.
I have been giving a loading dose…almost a double loading dose for the past 2 weeks with very little if any improvement at all…basically 4 scoops twice/day and Focus…zero difference…Quiessence worked much better IME…I still had to give a scoop/200lbs of body weight…which depending on the horse ended up being anywhere from 3-4 scoops twice/day but it actually worked…so I’m going to switch back to that
However…Uckele’s came out with a new calming supp called Foucus Calm that I’m going to try for my really tense/anxious mare…so we shall see
Other people like Horse First Relax Me…and I’ve also had good luck with Dynamite’s Easy Boy and even Ex Stress on certain horses
I can’t believe nobody else has chimed in yet…with all the discussion about magnesium supplements and Mag Restore???
I have had no luck with Quiessence…I put my horse on the whole loading dose and everything…he will be coming off of it soon.
I have also tried SmartCalm Ultra and have had zero results. (Actually a slight placebo…I convinced myself he was doing better, kept him on it, then eventually took him off and there was never any change.)
So…I am no help, I have yet to find a product that will work.
I’m a MagRestore fan. I’ve never tried Quienessence so can’t compare those two. I did try Mare Magic and Smart Calm together. There was some improvement with those. I actually switched to MagRestore and Focus because Performance Equine had the high dose glucosomine supplement my vet had ordered and Smart Pac didn’t and I wanted to be able to get everything from one company, one shipping charge. The MagRestore is great. For my mare it works. The jury is still out on the Focus. I guess the only way to really tell is to stop giving it and see what happens.
Obviously no supplement is going to work exactly the same way for every horse. It’s a trial and error process to find the one that works best for the individual. Just hope you find the right one or the right combo before you go broke and nuts trying.
I’d Call Carla at Performance Equine. Did you start the MagRestore and FOCUS at the same time? Some horses get cranked up on the FOCUS.
Before finding MagRestore, I had tried Quiessence, Ex-Stress, Calm and Cool, Hops and Valerian as well as Mare Magic. None of those gave me any results. I had immediate results with MagRestore. I can’t keep my mare on FOCUS for long periods. I use it periodocally.
I fed my gelding Quiessence for about six months and loved the results. In an effort to save some money, I bought a 50# bag of magnesium at the local feed store and switched him. It did the same thing for much much less money. I think I paid about $18 for a 50# bag.
If your horse is truly mag deficient and that’s the source of the problem, Quiessence is great. My very spooky/sensitive gelding is a whole new horse on it. But it’s 2 scoops, twice a day.
banned substance?
I am starting Quiessence for cresty neck but am concerned that substances in it may be banned by endurance (AERC)?
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I am starting Quiessence for cresty neck but am concerned that substances in it may be banned by endurance (AERC)?[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt it will be banned. There is only magnesium and chromium in it which aren’t banned substances.
For calming I’ve had better results with Quiessence personally, though my intent was not to calm. It made my stallion so laid back it was ridiculous. I was using it for fat pads. It worked on him, but not the other horse I tried it on. That horse responds better to Magrestore but it doesn’t calm her, I just use it to attempt to head off founder issues every year. Last year it worked pretty well. Still on the fingers crossed regimen this year so too soon to tell. I’ve tried both Smartcalm and Smartcalm Ultra with no notable results. Every horse is going to be different, so, even though I also use the forums for suggestions with products, it’s all a crapshoot at the end of the day if its going to work for your horse or not. With Quiessence, I know Melyni once said you would see results within 10-15 days if the horse was truly mag deficient. If you aren’t seeing results in a month or so, I’d believe that’s your sign the product isn’t working for your horse.
I also am curious to know if you started the FOCUS and MagRestore at the same time.
I tried FOCUS before ever trying the MagRestore. Put Layla on it and a few days later went to a show. She was HORRIBLE. I mean out of her mind overly sensitive and reactive to everything. All of her tension was magnified as if she had it all “brought to her attention” with the FOCUS. I would def say to start the MagRestore for at least 7-14 days before starting the FOCUS.
However, with that said, all horses are different and just because so many have had success with the MagRestore does not mean that all will. If you use the Quiessense and have good results, then stay with it. I have used that and all the other ones as well as B1 with little to no result. I have had amazing results with the MagRestore.
Though as I said above, Id bet you started them both at the same time. Some horses just dont deal with that very well.
I have tried Quiessence and didn’t see much of an improvement with my nutcase mare. She has been on MagRestore now for about 2 weeks, still on the loading dose, and she is doing great. I will have to figure out what the maintenance level will be for her, hoping to get down to a bit less over time. I decided to try it by itself first before looking at Focus, just to see if would work for her. Hard to know which one is really doing the trick if you start both at once.
I tried Quiessence for a while with NO luck whatsoever, and have never used the MagRestore. I use epsom salts with excellent results, and have for years now.
That said, if the Quiessence works, you can get a bag of plain magnesium oxide at a feed store for MUCH MUCH less money. Its the mag ox that helps with calming, not the other ingredients.
We have put most of our training horses on the Mag-Restore, and it has made an improvement in 100% of them. We use the Focus only for an extra boost for horse shows and clinics, and only for the ones that are really problematic. After following the loading dosage, most of the horses get one scoop twice daily, but a few do fine on 1 scoop per day.
Also, you might try the topical Magnesium Oil as a booster. Magnesium is readily absorb-able through the skin. We tried many other calming substances over the years, but Mag-Restore has been the best!
Most soils these days are magnesium deficient…have your soil tested.
---- That being said, use whatever product that works for you…Mag-Restore has been a fabulous addition to our nutrition and training program!
I just tried MagRestore for about a month on a horse. There was no reduction in spookiness, no reduction in “unwind time” after a hard spook, and no change in reactivity for this horse. There may have been an improvement in relaxation over the topline, maybe. I tried the loading dose throughout. The powder formula also settled right through the feed and turned in to concrete at the bottom of the feed tub that I had to break apart with a screw driver every few days. A pelleted formula would be much better for farms where top-dressing with applesauce (etc) isn’t feasible.
I bought Focus but haven’t tried it yet. The loading dose plus Focus on a daily basis would be very expensive (on my budget at least).
I tried Quiessence last year and didn’t see results but a number of barnmates continue to use it and see positive results.
i don’t know if it’s the change of weather around here but my horse has been on magrestore for about a month or so and it’s not doing a darn thing to help him. I’m hoping that as the weather warms and the wind stops blowing so much that he will calm himself and we can start to see improvement but so far, it’s kind of been a waste of money. when i called the company recently to talk about what is going on with him the person i talked with said it sounds like he has ulcers which annoys me because when i first started this supplement the person i talked with was sure he didn’t have ulcers. not that they would know for sure one way or the other but they were pretty sure it was a mag deficiency and now all of a sudden it’s that it sounds like he has ulcers. that just kind of bothers me…added to say that my vet was out yesterday and he doesn’t think the horse has them (no scope but just looking at him and asking a bunch of questions)…so, my experience is that the magrestore isn’t the “wonder drug” i was hoping it was going to be which is a big bummer!
Mag deficiency and ulcers share many symptoms. Not sure why you would get annoyed when you call and ask questions and they tell you it sounds like mag deficiency. MagRestore is not a “wonder drug”. It only helps if your horse is low in magnesium. If it doesnt work for your horse, guess what? The reasons why you tried the MagRestore are not caused by low magnesium and there are other issues going on. A likely place to look is ulcers (see above). Asking questions and looking at a horse cannot tell you if the horse has ulcers.
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I tried Quiessence for a while with NO luck whatsoever, and have never used the MagRestore. I use epsom salts with excellent results, and have for years now.
That said, if the Quiessence works, you can get a bag of plain magnesium oxide at a feed store for MUCH MUCH less money. Its the mag ox that helps with calming, not the other ingredients.[/QUOTE]
How much of the ES do you feed and how often? I would think this would be much easier and more cost effiencient than buying a brand name.
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