"Making Pegasus" Breeder in California

Came across this a few months ago and it’s gotten more bizarre since then with the addition of this philosophy page: https://www.makingpegasus.com/philosophy

They boast standing 50(!!!) stallions and have one listed for sale for $350k.

…is this for real? I feel like we’re going to see this farm on a hoarders episode in a few years. :grimacing:

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Ah yes, long necked, pig eyed, behemoths standing at stud. Have they accomplished anything as of yet? Are they successfully showing these animals? Or is this simply a new religion formed around the creation of a new breed of horse cast in the vision of a future hoarder wearing the ultimate beer goggles as he/she gazes upon his/her creations?

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Is every last one of these stallions “in training under saddle”? That means not trained. That means no credentials. No proven ability. Great parents but they’re essentially the equivalent of a 30 year slacker living in his parents’ basement.

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This seems weirdly like the nazi horse experiments :thinking:

Probably just a horse hoarder though let’s be honest

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If their goal is to create the greatest horse why do they have so many different breeds all mixed together?

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Introducing “Luca” – a stunning stallion with an impressive lineage and remarkable attributes. Born on April 29, 2019, “Luca” is a unique blend of Holsteiner Warmblood, Friesian, and Percheron, making him one of the most confident and powerful Stallion.

About Luca
Breed Composition: 1/2 Holsteiner Warmblood, 1/4 Friesian, 1/4 Percheron

Ranch Work due to his strength and size making him an ideal steed for big cowboys.
Training: Currently under saddle and showing great promise in dressage, following in the footsteps of his progenitors to become a world-class winner.

“Luca” is not just a stallion; he is the embodiment of power, elegance, and exceptional breeding potential. Don’t miss the opportunity to enhance your barn or breeding program with one of the most distinguished stallions available.

A steal at $14.5k!

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this!

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It sounds like a slightly older (can’t say mature…!) version of some online game where high school girls would fill an imaginary stable with horses, giving them all names and descriptions revolving around amazing colors and markings. This is probably some fantasizing 20-something who is trying to live out some imaginary life where ^if you can dream it up, you can make it reality^ type of fervent mumbo-jumbo can happen if she just closes her eyes and wishes hard enough. And proves how much she wants it by creating a website with lots of fantastical details to back up her latest dream life.

In other words, total fabrication, not a horse hair in sight. I’m betting the photos were all stolen from various online sources (all polished pro shots too).

But who knows? Just what it sounds like to me.

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OMG….

Are you ready to elevate your equestrian pursuits to unparalleled levels of sophistication? Meet “Thunder”, a symbol of opulence, power, and unrivaled beauty.

As you lay your eyes upon this Stallion, prepare to be mesmerized by his flawless conformation, uphill build, exquisite movement, and commanding presence. With a lineage traced back to legendary bloodlines, this exceptional horse embodies the pinnacle of high-end equestrianism. Standing proudly at an impressive 19.1 hands and still growing, “Thunder” embodies power and grace.

Born from the majestic Shire mare “Gentle Giant Cher” and sired by the Andalusian World Cup Champion Stallion “MN Mediterraneo,” son of multiple time Andalusian World Cup Grand Champion “Travieso B II”. “Thunder” carries a lineage of champions and inherits the legacy of greatness.

Standing next to “Thunder” is a sacred moment. This is truly a stallion in possession of the ‘Wow’ factor. What sets “Thunder” apart is not just his towering stature or his breathtaking presence, but his gentle and kind demeanor, reminiscent of Tim McGraw’s lyrics, “Humble and Kind” Despite his commanding size, “Thunder” moves with the agility and elegance, showcasing a harmonious blend of strength and finesse.

As a breeding stallion, “Thunder” offers more than just magnificent size and athleticism. He brings a personal touch to each interaction, seeking an intimate connection with every mare he meets. His focus, intelligence, and willingness to co-create make him a rare gem among stallions.

“Thunder” is not just a horse; he is a living legend in the making. With his show-stopping presence and potential as a world-class dressage champion, “Thunder” is destined for greatness.

For the elite equestrian connoisseur seeking
nothing but the best, “Thunder” is the ultimate investment. A masterpiece in motion, this equine treasure promises not only a luxurious riding experience but also the prestige of owning a true icon in the equestrian world.

Serious inquiries only. Contact us today to schedule a viewing of “Thunder” and take the first step towards owning a legend in the making."

You too can own this #NiceGuy stuuuuuud for the princely sum of…. Guess how much.

Just guess.

No peeking

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Nope, it’s a bloke. Check out the Facebook page.

The photographer is tagged in some of the photos. This dude is definitely real, along with his multitude of studs.

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$99,999.99? Let me guess. Under training? Which means not trained.

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Whoa. I was wondering if it was fake. However, the fencing behind the stallions looks the same. The metal buildings look the same. Do they have that many horses? Maybe. Do they have the semen from that many horses? Maybe it’s an AI facility with some animals onsite?

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Looks like the person behind Pegasus is Greg Davis. I’m disappointed to see that two of my Facebook friends that are seemingly reputable breeders are following his page.

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You guys are making me feel better that I’m not crazy for thinking this is over the top. :rofl:

Like, sure if you want to breed and people buy your horses, fine. But, none of these horses seem to do anything, and the number he’s breeding per year is scary (I think I read a while ago on the old website or IG 40-50? but don’t quote me). Draft crosses eat a LOT. What happens when he runs out of money for hay? They look good now but…🤷🤨

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Pulled up their breeding contract and horses are owned by a Precious Earth Inc. Look to be land developers mostly in California though a lawsuit in a small town in Alaska comes up too. Nice guy :roll_eyes:

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Giant horses with marketing that appeals to starry-eyed dreamers who don’t know squat about horses.

What could go wrong?

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At my prior board stable, we had a version of the ideal “Making Pegasus” buyer. A lady who had never been around horses, but who had a huge budget and an imagination untethered to reality.

On impulse she bought a half-broke, poorly-mannered, 5 yo crossbred pinto gelding (at least he was a gelding) because she knew it was meant to be. The BO, an excellent rider / trainer / instructor who can be a bit untethered herself at times, agreed to have this new owner and the horse come in on a training plan.

The new owner had no outdoor clothing, not to mention riding clothing. She would arrive at the barn, unannounced, once or twice a week in what I’d describe in casual work clothes. And casual around-town shoes, often not fully enclosed. Instead of working with the BO/trainer, who didn’t have her on the schedule that day, she spent the time excitedly explaining to the rest of us that horses can count to 100. And what mystical realms that revealed about the thoughts of horses. While her own horse fidgeted idly in the crossties, because she never really learned anything about grooming, etc.

I think there was some magic carpet vibe at work. You know, you get on the horse and think about where you want to go, and the horse goes there. At the speed at which you are comfortable.

The lady had the idea that she would ride this horse who was barely backed, with very little experience under saddle. The BO thought he was quiet enough … but honestly I didn’t think the best judgment was at play. But, it didn’t matter, this lady was not physically strong enough to put a foot in the stirrup and lift herself into the saddle.

The few times she tried this, she would struggle with her foot in a stirrup for a few minutes, trying to lift her other leg up, never even close to it going over the saddle. She was just totally unathletic and had never exercised. She was very obviously insecure about her balance and the height of the mounting block off the ground – and the height of the horse (maybe 15.3h). After a few minutes and tries, she would decide that the horse was not ready that day, they just didn’t have the right flow between them but this could be remedied, and she would work on meditating about it at home before she came back again.

She never got on the horse. That was really for the best.

After nearly a year of this, the BO finally convinced her to send the horse back to the seller / dealer / horse trainer, who is actually a fairly good guy who has been around forever. The idea was that he would “train” the horse and then they would restart with the owner. But what he really did was communicate a sudden revelation that the horse had connected with a different person, and there was really a mind-meld there, if the owner would be willing to let him go on with his journey, and she with hers, in a different direction. By then she had lost interest and agreed, with shared relief all around.

Anyway. “Making Pegasus” sounds like a similar vibe, to me. Situations like this, I worry a lot about the future of the horses with ignorant owners who don’t know how to get the help they need.

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From the sale pages:

Making Pegasus

The world’s most ambitious crossbreeding program. The Making Pegasus project crossbreeds 15+ breeds in its quest to create the greatest horse in the world. Outside genetic contributors must have won an Olympic Gold Medal or a World or National Championship. This strategic cross breeding resulting in hybrid vigor creates rare genetic lines filled with the best in the world. Breeders who select Making Pegasus Stallions find they can add or emphasize nearly any trait their mares may lack. The 1st track is ‘Pegasus’ itself, the Ultimate Horse! ‘Pegasus’ is a horse of jaw-dropping size, elite genetic and trained athleticism in terms of strength, speed, endurance, agility, temperament and grace, with all the elements of equine beauty including proportionality, soundness, heavy feather, mane, tail, noble head, neck and ear set, unique coat colors and patterns, unique eye colors, intelligence, genetic depth, breadth and absence of genetic disorders. The 2nd track is the fastest horse in the world. Not the fastest Arabian, nor the fastest Quarter horse nor the fastest Thoroughbred; simply the fastest horse regardless of current breed classifications. The basic formula is large athletic Warmbloods bred with the racing Quarter Horse for the short distance burst speed, the Thoroughbred for its mid distance speed, the racing Arabian for its endurance and great hooves. The 3rd track is the ‘Super Draft’, which is a hybrid composite consisting of 1/4 Belgian, 1/4 Clydesdale, 1/4 Percheron and 1/4 Shire.

I’m not sure they quite understand the concept of hybrid vigor. Also, all the woowoo and the twin souls bit on their about page is giving me some kinda culty vibes.

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I’m getting SovCit vibes. He posts a lot of conspiracy crap.

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