Rubles, Michael Vick was criticized intensively from multiple quarters. He still is. I understand your ire toward football fans. They’ve cheered wife beaters, cheaters, thieves and a variety of other scum too. That is also abhorrent. But consider the source. Football fans at specific games are not “everyone.”
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RG
Not being follower of that “sport” I appreciate your information. I never knew that.
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Rubles, Michael Vick was criticized intensively from multiple quarters. He still is. I understand your ire toward football fans. They’ve cheered wife beaters, cheaters, thieves and a variety of other scum too. That is also abhorrent. But consider the source. Football fans at specific games are not “everyone.”[/QUOTE]
Some may not know “the rest of that sorry story”.
Here is more about it:
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510
Sordid happenings, all the way around with what happened there.
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RG
Not being follower of that “sport” I appreciate your information. I never knew that.[/QUOTE]
I’m not a fan, myself… In my not at all humble opinion, football is what you get when you take all the fun and challenge out of Rugby. :lol:
But seriously. I don’t consider Vick to be controversial, because IME, he appears almost universally reviled. Besides a small subset of football fans. Lots of die hard football fans revile him.
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The Falcons dumped Vick’s sorry ass. Good for the Falcons.
Didn’t the local DA in VA refuse to prosecute? I thought the feds had to pick up the slack. Again, bait dogs/cats were used to make the dogs more vicious, and those dogs who did not fight well were electrocuted.
Vick wanted to suck up to the Falcons when they made the super bowl. The Falcons said NO.
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Who authored the book, what is the title and publisher?
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I wish I could give you that. Information but I have either misplaced it or loaned it out never to have it returned. I will try to do a search on Abe to see if I come up with it.
Bluey
I stopped reading at the first paragraph. Too upsetting and things
I don’t want to know.
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Bluey
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It was terrible, he should have been put away for life.
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Exactly, Bluey. I’m shocked he received any sentence at all, since he tried his best to put everything on others at the house.
I’m still disgusted that he whined about the rule that he couldn’t own dogs, and wanted one for his kids. They then let him have a dog. I hope that dog didn’t irritate him, after the treatment of the fighting dogs, and the ones he personally executed. I thought it was cowardly of the local DA not to prosecute too.
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The small vermin dogs are often terriers–rat terriers, Jack Russell, fox terriers. feists, etc.
I’ve never owned a fish or a hamster or a bird or a rat or a snake or a lizard. I think that’s cruel too. Dogs and people have live together for many thousands of years–some say 50,000. Just because it is possible to breed something in captivity doesn’t mean it’s domesticated. I’ll stick with domesticated animals, thank you.
Any animal tamed for the purpose of being a pet or on a farm for human use is considered domesticated. If they have to rely on humans for their survival and safety, they’re considered domesticated.
Do you own a horse?
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Not true.
Domestication is entirely different than taming - domestication has a genetic component, as domestication is genetic modification of a species to suit human needs. IE, domesticated dogs have different DNA than undomesticated dogs - same with foxes, horses, just about anything. A wild animal that is raised in captivity with humans is tame - IE, a lemur or a macaw – a domesticated animal raised in the wild is ‘feral’.
They have very different classifications because once a species is domesticated, they change drastically on a genetic level: the most dramatic example of this change is the silver foxes, the russian foxes bred for domestication on fur farms. Their fur patterns, ears and tails changed wildly from their wild counterparts, to the point where they looked more like domestic dogs than wild foxes.
One of the first signs of domestication in a species is spots.
Most reptiles are not domesticated - not even close. They’re just tamed. Same with most bird species (besides the obvious, chickens) – Macaws, African Greys. Not many fish are domesticated – IIRC, goldfish.
Some rodent species are domesticated (namely, mice & rats) but not gerbils or hamsters, to my knowledge.
The word you are looking for is ‘tame’.
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I tend to stick with formal definitions.
[h=2]Definition of domesticate[/h] [h=2]domesticated[/h] ; [h=2]domesticating[/h] [LIST=1]
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Take the ferret. About 15 years ago an animal welfare terrorist group set a farm’s stock of ferrets loose. Hundreds of them. Now the problem is, ferrets raised for pets don’t know anything about being a wild ferret. Most of those found were dead, starved or partly eaten. They are domesticated. And tame.
But then so is the horse. Do you (viney) find it cruel to lock a horse in a pasture when it is meant to roam the countryside? If you believe in God, do you think God made them just for us to get on them and jump colored poles or dance in place?
Dogs, cats, hamsters, horses, etc are domesticated. We are meant to care for them. By caring for them, they are meant not to roam around to get hit by cars, eaten by other animals, starve, etc. It is not cruel to have a house cat or keep a dog on a leash when you walk it. It’s called RESPONSIBLE.
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I’ll take the scientific definition of domesticated, thank you. That, in essence, means plants and animals that have been designed by humans for specific human purposes through human controlled breeding choices.
Basic information: https://www.britannica.com/science/domestication
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What is with you and the vermin comments?
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Just like some dogs, some people are nicer than others.
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Ambassabull fail #2 for 2017.
Boss, a 7yo “Mastiff/Great Dane mix” adopted in 2011 from NYC’s open-admission shelter system ACC has killed its owner’s 75yo mother in her own home. Excitingly, Boss’s re-entry into ACC’s kennels pending investigation gives ACC not one, not two, but three killer pit bulls to care for! The other two are Panda and Jacob, pit bull mixes who killed their owner’s 68yo mother in her own home last fall. Neighbors say Boss recently killed a neighbor’s small dog.
So, the people who adopted out a 1yo giant pit mix to a 68yo woman and her severely autistic adult son are now in charge of three pit bulls that have killed people.
How about we just legalize dogfighting, but have it entirely state-controlled? Like gambling! Put some fighting pits in the casinos! Then the pit owners might think they had some skin in this game.
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By rough definition, terriers are ‘vermin’ hunting dogs… what they were bred to do.
Do you own horses?
What makes a dog “undomesticated”?
What is a “domesticated” animal in your opinion?
I’m fine with what you think is the proper definition of domesticated, I’m not one for splitting hairs over little things. Everyone custom tailors their definitions.
You haven’t answered the question of whether you now own or have owned a horse. If the answer is yes to either then you are being a blatant hypocrite with your beliefs. If the answer is no, that you’ve never owned a horse then I apologize for my assumption.
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