Ferraro was being held in the psych unit of the hospital. In a brief conversation with the Daily News, he said of Boss, “He was a good dog. We had him for a long, long time.”
It never ceases to amaze me how delusional people are about their dogs. The dog killed another, then his mother, but it’s a good dog (shakes head in disbelief).
This is why I think there should be very few options available to those with aggressive, dangerous dogs. Most people who have them just. don’t. get. it.
legalize dog fighting? that’s a joke, right? let’s go back to the Christians vs the lions while we’re at it.
When I lived near El Paso, there was a tribe that started a casino. They were trying to get recognized as a legal tribe, however the other Pueblo tribes didn’t accept them. Their main aim was to get their casino considered tribal property, so they didn’t have to follow state or federal laws. They wanted to have cock fighting as a regular betting event. I don’t know what ever happened with that, since I moved from there years ago.
I Googled it and Speaking Rock casino closed in 2002 and claims it will reopen soon. It is the Tigua Indians, and courts recognized them as a legal tribe, and they can reopen the casino. Don’t know about the events though. To me it’s not a stretch to go from cock fighting, to dog fighting.
I have three horses. They have been domesticated for centuries to live the kind of life they are living now.
How is boxing much different from dog or cock fighting?
I have three horses. They have been domesticated for centuries to live the kind of life they are living now.
How is boxing much different from dog or cock fighting?
The ability for the human to decide he or she wants to take part in the sport. Dogs and roosters don’t have that choice. Also, boxing matches very rarely end in death. If we had human death matches forced upon participants who didn’t choose to be there, that might be a better comparison. Luckily, we don’t.
uh, the purpose of cock fighting and dog fighting is to fight to the death.
I have had a lot of dogs, and the incidence of random dogs attacking mine has virtually never been related to whether or not MY dog was on a leash.
It’s pretty obvious the OTHER dogs were not under anybody’s control, tho.
Struggling now to understand how dogs aren’t domesticated but horses are… smells a bit like hypocrisy, no?
Are you saying that dogs aren’t domesticated but horses are?
If you don’t see much difference between boxing and dog or cock fighting, you need to become more knowledgeable about them.
I’ve had quite a few dogs myself.
In all of my experience if I was walking a leashed dog and they saw an unleashed dog running around or away from their owner sniffing and doing typical dog stuff, they became extremely excited and wanted to immediately run to greet/play with the unleashed dog. If they encountered a leashed dog that was under control they couldn’t be bothered.
My dog aggressive dog would become extremely agitated by an unleashed dog that was running around or away from their owner doing typical dog stuff. If a dog passed him while leashed he would be on guard but relaxed, unless the owner wasn’t in control of their dog and it was straining at the end of its leash barking/yapping at my dog. When my dog aggressive dog was in his securely fenced yard and he saw a leashed dog go by, he would be on guard and alert. If an unleashed dog went by he would become agitated.
In my experience any dog aggressive dog will become more agitated by a dog that is off leash and not under control.
Humans in a food insecure world would not have domesticated any animal unless the human calories out were less than the human calories in. They domesticated most animals for food initially, and they choose the ones to domesticate because those animals also provided other benefits to humans and were relatively easy to breed in captivity. Apparently the forerunners of today’s dogs were easy to bend to human needs; they hung around human habitations; they ate human garbage; they were tasty and easy to catch and kill for food; and they could assist humans getting food and killing other game; and they could protect human food by killing or driving off other animals who were trying to steal it. They provided more human calories in than human calories out. Only the very rich could afford to own animals for pure pleasure, which pets are.
Until a human society became food secure, their dogs were bred for work of one kind or another, or the dogs would not have been kept around. In the West, food security did not really happen until the latter part of the 19th century. Horses, on the other hand, have been used for pretty much the same human work as long as they have been domesticated, and that work required horse keeping practices that are not very different from modern ones. Horses have been living with humans in the same way for thousands of years. Dog keeping practices have, in the main, dramatically changed in the latter part of the 20th century. Previously the vast majority of dogs were working farm dogs who generally were given free run of the farm (and the farm buildings) so they could perform their work, which was NEVER on leash and they were not contained in small fenced areas intended to contain dogs. If a dog was confined, it still was freed to do its work. There were, of course, breeds of dogs who had been bred to live in packs in kennels–hunting hounds–, but those dogs were specifically bred to be dog non-aggressive and, when freed, used huge amounts of calories. They, too, would not have been kept and bred if they were not useful in procuring and/or preserving other human food sources. Urban dogs were worked hard daily, drawing dog carts, primarily and were very few in number. Human calories out had to outweigh human calories in. Only the food secure could afford pets, and that number of people was comparatively small.
The world, for dogs, has changed in the last hundred or so years. In the First World, the vast majority of dogs don’t have to work with humans in exchange for food; they have become a form of human psychological comfort. Given enough time and human breeding practices, and the genus dog can be designed to fit that niche, just as horses were designed thousands of years ago for the life that most lead now. But enough time hasn’t passed for Dog, and in the interim, it’s my opinion that the life offered dogs today is enough to make some mentally ill. The mentally ill ones should not be bred since breeding them slows down the conversion to modern human desires in our society. But the failure of humans to recognize that dogs aren’t instantly malleable to the change in human desires because humans have bred in things in the past that the dogs can’t instantly overcome is the source of both human and dog suffering.
Keeping a dog as a pure pet who is not bred to be a couch potato is, IMO, cruel.
In a way, it’s like the future of humans in the age of robotics. The only humans who will have a function in the new world are the ones who own the robots. Robots and artificial intelligence will do all the work. Do you think humans will be comfortable during the time that they will need to adapt to the new order?
To each his own I guess… any port in the hypocrisy storm.
It’s not really hypocrisy, but I can see where someone would get confused. It’d be a bad idea, and unfair, to keep a LGD like a Kangal in a cramped 600ft NY Apartment for its entire life. It’s not what they were bred to do, and it goes against the nature that they have bred into them. Conversely, it’d be grossly unkind to expect a daschund to do the work of a jag terrier and toss it into a ring full of bears. Wouldn’t you agree?
It’s unfair to keep an animal in a lifestyle or habitat it was not adapted to. I think everyone can agree on that. Indian elephants have been domesticated for thousands of years and people find it’s unethical and unfair to keep them in zoo-habitats.
Viney’s original post that you quoted was talking about undomesticated species.
Just for the record, Indian Elephants (Oriental Elephants) have never been easy to breed in captivity, even with modern breeding technology. 99% or more of working elephants are wild caught as youngsters and trained.
Urban living is not new and I’m willing to bet that loose dogs went out of style with rabies outbreaks, dog attacks and automobiles. People repeatedly may try dog breeds that aren’t conducive due to marketing make them dream about that dog . no doubt. but again, imo, it still sorts out to dogs most adaptable. Long ago I had to do temp work in a condo. People demanded to keep dog for those psychological reasons. Pits weren’t as common, but no doubt, there probably was a few. A couple people had large dogs but the majority had terriers.
The guys who did maintenance were pretty funny on the topic because they had to enter the domains for work and surprised me since they said the number one problem dogs were the very little ones (aka Chi’s, yorkies, Lhasa’s,etc.s ). Apparently everyone else would try to daily get their dogs out for walks . The lapdogs, though rarely got out, weren’t house broken and the number one complaint was the odor and destruction, along with the lack of training.
It’s hypocritical of anyone that states it’s cruel to keep a dog in a house with a fenced backyard, yet owns a horse that is kept in a small stall only to be brought out to work or be turned out into a small enclosed field or paddock.
It’s not at all hypocritical considering the difference in dog and horse history. There have been lapdogs bred to be lapdogs for royalty since medieval times–say 600 years ago. In terms of breeding generations in dogs, that’s easily the equivalent of 3000 generations of horses. Horses have been bred to live in stables, paddocks and pastures–or hobbled during travel since at least King Solomon’s times–3000 or so years ago. They have been bred by humans specifically to live the way they live, but it was done so long in the past that we don’t remember it. We think that modern day horses would naturally live in herds in the wild, but in fact, the modern horse is the complete creation of domestication. It can and does tolerate all sorts of different horse keeping practices BECAUSE of the way it has been bred.
If you want to keep a dog confined in the house and fenced yard, only pick ones that have been bred specifically for that.
Which dog breeds are bred specifically to be confined in a house and yard, and which are bred to NOT be confined to a house and yard? How do the people who breed dogs that are not meant to be confined to a house and yard manage to breed their dogs selectively and responsibly, what with the dogs roaming wherever they want to go all day, every day?
vineyridge you really sound as though you are mentally unstable with regards to your posts here. I’m almost positive you’re not, because I believe I’ve seen coherent, sensible posts authored by you recently in other forums. Why are you acting like such a troll here? It’s very odd.
Lapdogs have been bred to be lapdogs since the Romans. More than 600 years ago.
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