The most recent dog attack before this was the little boy that was killed. Are you saying that you weren’t sure the pictures of the dogs that were provided in the articles were pit bulls or pit bull types?
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One was clearly a panda bear, CT.
Wasn’t that the one with blood all over its cute face?
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Quote by CT:
The most recent dog attack before this was the little boy that was killed. Are you saying that you weren’t sure the pictures of the dogs that were provided in the articles were pit bulls or pit bull types?
This statement here shows your continuing willful ignorance on this subject. Since words and their meanings matter, at least to those who think critically. You are equating the look of the dog(s) with a type of dog but that has been demonstrated to not be necessarily true. Since pit bull types are a group of dogs that include
American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
Some explanations on this confusing subject you and Sswor are having so much trouble grasping:
That would be same as saying that “hound” refers to a single breed. Instead, like “hound”, “pit bull” is a grouping that contains several breeds of dog. The three most common types are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
In other words, when you are referring to a pit bull type that is a specific grouping of dogs based on their genetic makeup not their looks. You cannot know a dog’s genetic makeup just by their looks as evidence by Niko, one of those niggling articles I referenced that was based on scientific fact i.e. Niko’s DNA profile. That is the conclusion all of the studies have come to that have been cited on this thread, but of course that is TMI for Sswor and CT. Because they saw the dogs on the internet and they believe that they are pit bull types so it MUST be true!!
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Ooookay, for the sake of argument I will from here on use the descriptive words of…
Pit Bull/Pit Bull Type/Pit Bull Cross.
That should cover all of it, eh?
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Anyone can post anything on the internet and attach whatever meaning they choose. I think the most accurate description is a dog did this or that. Dogs numbering in the millions the percentage causing harm is extremely low. I don’t think it is psychologically healthy to seek out problematic behaviour and dwell on it. Dogs benefit humanity millions to one over dogs causing harm.
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Yes, that’s the one–the American Panda Bear.
Re: pit bull/type, you can throw American Bulldog in there too.
You can never nail it down when it behaved badly. Then it’s elusive as trying to catch water in a sieve. But when it cuddles on the couch with your toddler, it’s sure enough a pittie through n through.
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How can it be nailed down then too? Could it be because it’s not being condemned, put down or maligned?
some dogs, a few do damage. Most dogs do not. Live with it. Concentrate on the dogs not harming anything. You’ll be better off in the long run.
It’s like some people think horses, bite at the front, kick at the back and buck in the middle. Some do, most don’t.
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dear imaginary friend up in the clouds, what a freaking awful way to be killed!
not to mention the terror of the canine victim - but never mind them, oh no, lets all get behind the killer dogs and raise them up to Victimhood, too.
I often wonder about some of these manic Don’t You DARE Blame The Poor Dog types, and what their stand on capital punishment for humans who murder other humans, is?.
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Sorry rubles, I will never “live with” any dog that is/is potentially harmful to the public because of idiot and irresponsible owners.
It is sad that the pit bull is hated and feared by so many, but we humans have created the problem and allowed it to happen,now we have to fix the problem. It’s the same with other aggressive and potentially dangerous dog, it just happens to be the pit bull that causes the most damage and actual deaths.
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I believe you will never have one in your home, when encountering one in public without a muzzle call the police and don’t attract it’s attention, with a muzzle, problem solved. So your problems are solved. As fewer and fewer are bred in Ontario problem solved. We all need something to worry about so you are free to worry about something else. Your pit bull problems have been solved.
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Just because a problem is solved in one’s own backyard doesn’t mean that one doesn’t take an active interest in that same problem elsewhere. Thankfully the majority of Canada doesn’t have that attitude, as most of the recent immigrants will agree.
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well, I fully support euthanasia when it comes to an aggressive dog. I don’t think anyone on this thread thinks that dog should not be put down. Or any dog that is aggressive to humans, really.
The point that Khall and I were trying to make is that outlawing, banning, or controlling all PB types has not and will not work (and is irrefutably backed by science, experts & studies, neither of which CT or Sswor apparently endorse in) – and that there is no substantiated evidence out there to support their egregious claims that all PB types are inherently dangerous. That and identifying a PB is difficult, as unexpected pairings can easily make a block-headed dog… But they are ignoring that point too.
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Quote from Thylacine: - but never mind them, oh no, lets all get behind the killer dogs and raise them up to Victimhood, too.
Umm, no not what I have said or believe or have ever said. I have over and over again firmly stated the dogs in the original post should be euthanized and the owners held liable both criminally and civilly. Same in ATL attack, those dogs should be euthanized and the owners held liable. What I am saying is dogs cannot be profiled based on their looks (for various reasons that have been posted listed and cited from scientific research) and euthanized just because of those looks in anticipation that they might or might not attack. It has been scientifically proven that one cannot link what a dog looks like to future behavior. The only reliable indicator of future behavior in dogs is prior behavior. Why BSLs do not work to reduce dog bite fatalities. Why Dangerous Dog laws do work when they are enforced, they address the individual dogs who has shown aggressive behavior regardless of breeds.
Another quote from Thy: I often wonder about some of these manic Don’t You DARE Blame The Poor Dog types, and what their stand on capital punishment for humans who murder other humans, is?
Why on Earth would you blame any dog? That is just ridiculous. The dogs have no control of how they are kept, trained, brought up and bred. It is the HUMANS who are at fault always when a dog attack occurs. The owners of the dogs should always be held liable for their animal’s behavior.
As for how I feel about capital punishment, good grief you BSL proponents come up with some wild comparisons, from 9/11 now to capital punishment.
So I will expand upon your query: murders in 2016 in US There were over 15,000 murders in US, more than 300 times the dog bite fatalities. There have only been about 1400 death penalties carried out since 1976. To expand even more on murder rates and death penalties, there are extensive investigations that go into a murder conviction. Even with those investigations many are being overturned with DNA evidence now. Just take a look at the Innocence Project. So here again, scientific research knocking down a conviction. Those darn facts! With a death penalty conviction there is always an automatic appeal. So in other words many long hours and much investigation goes into getting a murder conviction and even more so with a death penalty case. While on the other hand, dogs are being killed not for their behavior but because of their looks in executing BSLs. Why the SPCA in Montreal has now declined to be responsible for stray and unwanted dog population after the BSL has come into effect. http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?clipId=1076199&binId=1.1332485&playlistPageNum=1#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=Wb2o4nl
So as to how I feel about death penalty? It just depends. I do feel that before you put to death a human for murder there needs to be irrefutable evidence that the person did commit the crime. It is estimated almost 4% of executions have put to death an innocent of that crime person. That is not right IMO. No one should die that did not commit such a crime. Yet that is what happens all of the time to any dog that looks like a pit bull/type, thousands of unwanted and maligned unfairly based on their looks are killed by BSLs. Profiling has no place in investigations, whether it is human or dog.
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CT
The thread is about pit bull attacks so now you’ve introduced immigrants. Can’t you tell the difference? The problems of the world will never be solved. Not ever. Have fun trying though just don’t expect me to agree they will.
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Pit bulls are also victims as are a lot of dogs. Sometimes a little compassion goes a long way.
I know to anyone set in their convictions, reading these books will make no dent. But if you are open minded the recent book “Pitbull” is fascinating. As is an older book by Temple Gradin “Animals in Translation”.
Wonder of all wonders, the world is complex, and together the books explore the fact that dogs bred to be aggressive could have a genetic predisposition but that does not necessarily mean a whole breed is aggressive. And that we have been thru this many times before with different breeds. The “Pitbull” book is really more about human perceptions and sociology than dogs.
Understand I came to both the books with no pre-conceived opinion. I thought both sides of the debate had reasonable arguments (sometimes). I am a scientist and a research biologist, and I found the data and interpretation of the data in “Pitbull” well researched , compelling, and persuasive.
cbv I have read that book and yes lots of good info in there. I prefer though the Michael Vick “The Lost Dogs” which really goes through the work that was done with the dogs removed from his kennel. Up until Vick, all fighting dogs were euthanized because they were deemed too dangerous to rehome until this case. I also want to watch the movie about the dogs “The Champions” I am sure I will cry.
https://www.thedodo.com/michael-vick…652308280.html
This https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f…type=3&theater is what happens over and over and over again. The bullies (and many other breeds) often bear the brunt of animal abuse. I cannot tell you how many times a day pictures like this come across my FB feed. The dogs have way more to fear from humans than we do from them.
Of course I know the difference, you and khall are taking my comparisons out of context.
The problems of the world will never be solved, but problems in smaller parts of the world can and will be.
As you said, the pit bull problem has been fixed here in Ontario. It will also be fixed in Quebec. After more attacks, maulings and deaths in the US it will also eventually be fixed.
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Quote from CT: Of course I know the difference, you and khall are taking my comparisons out of context.
Ah OK, so me expanding upon your “comparisons” and using that expansion to back up the case against BSLs is taking your comparisons out of context. No you just did not think through your comparisons very well CT!
More from CT: As you said, the pit bull problem has been fixed here in Ontario. It will also be fixed in Quebec. After more attacks, maulings and deaths in the US it will also eventually be fixed.
You know it really boggles my mind the extreme bias and hatred you CT have against a certain dog look even with all of the evidence that shows that bias is unwarranted. Willful ignorance at it’s best. It also boggles my mind when you do a search for dog bite fatalities in Canada and what pops up is not “pit bulls” but husky types and GSD and their crosses.
http://www.chicobandido.com/dbrf-canada/ This synopsis says it all right here. The BSLs enacted in Canada in certain areas (Calgary being an exception) has no basis is the actual fatalities that have occurred from dog bites. The BSLs seem to be following the fear de jour perpetuated by willful ignorance, bias and media grandstanding showing a complete lack of critical thinking on the lawmakers part. Especially when the dog bite fatality that sparked the Quebec BSL appears to have been from a boxer not any pit bull type. At least that was what he was registered as and they are awaiting DNA results.
As for the US, yeah I would not hold your breath there, we are a big country not only geographically but also population wise. BSLs are not widespread and are likely to be even less so with the evidence from Denver and Miami that shows their BSLs have done nothing to make the general public safer.
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