Man fatally mauled, dog killed, by pit bulls on dog walk

[rockonxox]

@JanM

From watching Pit Bulls & Parolees, yes PB lovers are that blind…
It’s not just PB advocates, but many delusional animal advocates who are under pressure by outside ‘experts’ that think every dog can be retrained, and adopted out.

Let’s not lump everyone in the same category. There are plenty of pitbull lovers (myself included) who realize that aggressive dogs, especially those proven to have animal and human aggression, should be euthanized for community safety. Absolutely not every dog, of ANY breed, is retraininable to be safe. I hate BSL because of the restrictions on good people who have good dogs. I have a bully breed [American Bulldog] who truly is a derpy gentle giant. Does this mean every dog is like him? No. My vet adores the hell out of him and doesn’t even bother with an assistant if they are busy because he is such a calm dog who doesn’t care if you are picking and prodding at him. However, places won’t let me go there to get him groomed because he is a bully type. Some places won’t let me board because he is a bully type.

And, by the way, BSL is a bunch of BS and doesn’t work… we are over run with bully types [and many other aggressive or even non-aggressive breeds that have been trained to bite/attack] in my county out here because they are easy to get a hold of. Pit bulls/shepherds/rotts are the choice dog of many of our gangsters/criminals for the aggressive behavior and guard dog capability. I can’t tell you HOW many times as a probation officer I called animal control to report aggression from a dog towards me on home visits and I feel like those dogs needed to be put down. Their owners did nothing but teach them aggression. I’ve had a rottweiler try to claw his way through a door with a broken frame and I can guarantee it would have attacked me (even the dog owner’s sister said that dog is the devil and needs to be shot). I’m not one to usually be scared of a dog, but some of these were incredibly dangerous dogs. One time recently I went on a home visit and there were 5 dogs in the next yard over with an open fence line (they had the gate open and the whole back of the fence was missing). One of the dogs, a chow mix, not one of the pitbulls although all the dogs looked mean as hell, charged the fence. I picked up a metal rod I found on the ground and was fully prepared to protect myself if need be although it would have been a very emotional thing for me to do. There was also a chihuaua hanging out with them who was just as aggressive, and while he couldn’t kill me he could do some serious damage especially to a young child.

There were also some german shepherds at a different house that I felt were overly aggressive and would kill if the owner gave the command. I’ve seen these idiots rehoming these dogs because they can no longer afford them and don’t want little fluffy to go to the shelter b/c they knew they’d be put down for aggression. This is not to say that every one of these dogs was aggressive. I’ve also been on home visits where I could play with their pit bulls, terriers, GSDs, rotties, what have you all day long because they were well behaved dogs. I don’t know how to fix the issues but BSL isn’t the way to go and aggressive dog bans aren’t going to work either UNLESS THEY ARE ENFORCED. I don’t understand why our city has so many wild packs either. Sorry, but those dogs are likely not going to be making a good pet as they are quite feral in most cases.

Unfortunately, AC doesn’t really do much… so I think a lot of the issues unfortunately fall on them. If I report a dog that is in an unenclosed area and chasing people they need to come out. They just don’t and I don’t know if it is due to man power, space at the shelter, or “they have better things to do”. I’ve reported a guy who I caught on video beating the CRAP out of his pit bull in plain daylight outside with the children shouting and cheering him on… and nothing became of it. You think that dog isn’t going to be aggressive at some point towards those who are beating him? Think again. AC didn’t step up. I don’t know how to make them step up so I have 0 solution, just ranting about my experiences.

[JanM]

I mentioned PB’s because that was the topic of the article of the poor woman who died from being mauled, by a dog that was lied about by the local rescue. The NY rescue advertised the dog with the real history. I used the TV show as an example of not only breed blindness, but out right lying about the history of their rescues. It’s the only single breed (now they take other breeds, and some cats in the New Orleans location) rescue that had high profile involvement in rescuing dogs from death row that were proven human, and animal aggressive.

I think there should be aggressive and dangerous dog laws, but getting it enforced in many locations relies on the resources available, and getting animal control to do their job. I’m not in favor of BSL, but vicious and dangerous dog regulations.

Where I lived a long time ago, there was zero enforcement if you were related to certain people. I saw a case on Judge Judy that was in the town I used to live in. A little dog was attacked, on leash, while being walked by the owner. The huge dog rammed it’s way under the fence, and mauled the little dog, until brave neighbors rescued the woman, and her dog. AC did nothing about the dangerous dog, the owner of the dog actually was giggling all through the case, because she knew the show would pay the judgment, and nothing would ever happen to her dog, or her. The second I heard the city name, and the woman’s name, I knew AC had done nothing but hand her dog back to her, and zero charges would ever be filed, and that’s exactly what happened. Some places it’s who you know.

I’ve lived other places where the town had animal control, but the county didn’t. Vicious and dangerous dogs need to be regulated, but it’s up to local regulations, and local enforcement.

[CanadianTrotter]

Another person dead because of a pit bull but under different circumstances.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/la-cops-fatally-shoot-teenager-while-aiming-for-aggressive-pit-bull-extremely-unfortunate-incident/ar-BBD5HOz?li=AAggFp5

[khall]

CT don’t blame the dog here this is cowboy cop stupidity to blindly go shooting at a dog and hitting and killing this teenager (BTW the dog must not have been that aggressive if the teenager was able to handle the dog and not get bitten even though the dog was not his) and hitting another officer with stray bullets and ricochets. This is a police issue seen not only in this case but also in other cases where they are discharging firearms in a very reckless manner, killing and wounding innocent people. So don’t blame the dog here.

[roseymare]

Really. The dog bit one police officer and then came back. I would call that aggressive. But I agree the officers were reckless as well.

[khall]

Sounds like the dog had every reason to bite the police officer, they were looking to shoot him and kill him. Unfortunately though a teenage lost his life instead.

[vacation1]

Nice to see nothing’s changed around here. Dead people, dead dogs, dead pit bulls. It’s like pit bull ownership is a death cult.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT don’t blame the dog here this is cowboy cop stupidity to blindly go shooting at a dog and hitting and killing this teenager (BTW the dog must not have been that aggressive if the teenager was able to handle the dog and not get bitten even though the dog was not his) and hitting another officer with stray bullets and ricochets. This is a police issue seen not only in this case but also in other cases where they are discharging firearms in a very reckless manner, killing and wounding innocent people. So don’t blame the dog here.

Obviously you didn’t read the article for content or you purposely/blindly skipped over the reason why the dog was shot at in the first place.

Around 3:40 a.m. Thursday, police received a call complaining of loud music coming from the apartment complex. When deputies arrived at the scene, an aggressive pit bull charged at the deputies and bit one in the leg.

Twice the dog charged and attacked the officers.

Youre argument is weak and nonsensical.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

Sounds like the dog had every reason to bite the police officer, they were looking to shoot him and kill him. Unfortunately though a teenage lost his life instead.

Yup…that dog must have been psychic and knew the officers were going to shoot and kill him before they even fired their guns.

[CanadianTrotter]

@roseymare

Really. The dog bit one police officer and then came back. I would call that aggressive. But I agree the officers were reckless as well.

Yes, they probably panicked when the dog charged and bit one of the officers.

Hopefully the investigation will paint a clearer picture of what happened.

[khall]

CT the police came because of loud music not the dog. Yes the dog can sense the officers feelings and intentions, that is what dogs do. If not then we would not have service dogs that can sense oncoming low blood sugar or seizures. Dogs have an incredible ability to read humans. We do not know the full extent of what happened in this instance. Obviously the dog was not so vicious that he was lashing out at any and all people since the teenager was able to handle the dog without being bitten. I place full blame on the police officers who willfully and with little regard to the safety of any others in the area discharged their firearms in such a reckless manner leading to the death of this teenager. The dog had NOTHING to do with this young man’s death. It is beyond comprehension that you would lay blame on this dog for this death.

We are seeing over and over again where police officers are killing and injuring the very public they are hired to protect.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT the police came because of loud music not the dog. Yes the dog can sense the officers feelings and intentions, that is what dogs do. If not then we would not have service dogs that can sense oncoming low blood sugar or seizures. Dogs have an incredible ability to read humans. We do not know the full extent of what happened in this instance. Obviously the dog was not so vicious that he was lashing out at any and all people since the teenager was able to handle the dog without being bitten. I place full blame on the police officers who willfully and with little regard to the safety of any others in the area discharged their firearms in such a reckless manner leading to the death of this teenager. The dog had NOTHING to do with this young man’s death. It is beyond comprehension that you would lay blame on this dog for this death.

We are seeing over and over again where police officers are killing and injuring the very public they are hired to protect.

The officers arrived at the scene of a loud music complaint at an apartment complex. A pit bull came charging out at them, the teen that most likely knew the dog tried to intervene and stop the dog from attacking. The officers fired at the dog, a ricocheted bullet struck the teen and an officer, the police did not directly fire at the teen. We have no idea if the teen was bitten or not, as I said…hopefully there will be an update and a better explanation to the story.

The officers were investigating loud music most likely with the intention of just telling them to turn it down, this happens all the time in many different areas and is considered a routine call. I doubt very much that the officers had their guns drawn with deadly intent before the dog charged them and when the dog made contact and attacked/bit what were they supposed to do, stand by and scratch their arses while a fellow officer was being attacked? The teen was accidentally shot because the officers were shooting at an out of control pit bull…the dog had everything to do with the teens death because if the dog was not there and attacking the officers most likely wouldn’t have even drawn their guns.

If you know dogs/pit bulls like you say you do you would know that when a dog(most especially a pit bull) finds a target, they do not randomly “lash out at any and all” during the altercation, they stay honed in on their original target as long as it’s still available to them. If there are what they consider other immediate threats, their concentration may wander to another target. This is of course in a case of a single dog in an attack.

You are an extremist and as with all extremists, you’re judgement is very clouded.

[skyon]

@khall

Sounds like the dog had every reason to bite the police officer, they were looking to shoot him and kill him. Unfortunately though a teenage lost his life instead.

What is disturbing about this statement is the “Lassie saved Timmy in the Well” syndrome.

A dog may have it ingrained to guard and attack intruders but claiming the dog had every reason to bite the police officer since he knew that officer was going to shoot him…WOWZA.

Around 3:40 a.m. Thursday, police received a call complaining of loud music coming from the apartment complex. When deputies arrived at the scene, an aggressive pit bull charged at the deputies and bit one in the leg. Twice the dog charged and attacked the officers.

Charged and bit one of the officers. Not charged and barked - but made contact and bit.

Yes, there are cases where police officers shoot dogs that only barked but if the police have to come to your house maybe you should round up the loose dogs first.

I watched footage of little kids releasing a rott on an officer and he would have lost his throat if not for his backup yelling to him. And remember these are police with backups and guns - not the defenseless person on the street minding their own business that had no idea that type of dog was in ownership of little kids who would do such a thing.

This may give you an idea of why officers don’t play.

Yet your are trying to flip the pitbull into some kind of police brutality under the guise of the teen being shot.

I don’t think you care a New York second for that teen that was shot.

I think you are coming off as someone who likes the fact you can promote the teens death in order to “save the pitbulls”.

[khall]

Skon yes I do care deeply about police brutality on all fronts, this teenager included. How on earth can you come up with the idea I do not. It is an act of reckless endangerment that this kid was shot and killed. I have seen too many police officers discharging their guns recklessly in various situations that have resulted in the end of a human life. As for the dog going after the police officers there are less lethal (i.e. taser) ways to subdue the dog that would not result in the death of an innocent bystander.

Skyon, you and CT are ridiculous in your statements. Both of you.

CT “You are an extremist and as with all extremists, you’re judgement is very clouded.” Back at you. You are an extremist in your hatred and disgust of the bullies and it shows in each and every post when it comes to any of the bullies. This in particular shows how you want to attach any and all possible outcomes to a dog when it was a police officers bullet that killed that teenager not the dog. Who BTW the teenager handled without being bitten.

My sister was a cop for several years, she is appalled at what is happening over and over again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/police-shooting-castile-trial-video.html?_r=0

Officer shot 7 times into a car with a woman and small child that was in the back. This officer has no business being a cop ever and should have faced jail time.

Glad the cop is facing murder charges, hope they convict but it is Texas.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/us/texas-cop-arrest-warrant/index.html

Just because they are police officers does not mean that they should be police officers
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/us/police-video-louisiana-shooting.html

These along with the above incidence show again and again that police officers aren’t all made of the same stuff and often should not be wearing a badge. They need to think before discharging a deadly weapon.

Skyon watch those personal attacks, you do not know me or how my animals are cared for. So back off.

[skyon]

@khall

Skyon watch those personal attacks, you do not know me or how my animals are cared for. So back off.

I don’t care about how you care for your animals. That is not the topic here… I do care about using a police shooting of a teen in order to further a completely different agenda regarding pitbulls and dangerous dogs of all types and presenting this in a fashion that makes an attack or potential attack as harmless defense on the dogs part.

[pezk]

Well, this thread is still going strong and nothing has changed but CE gets canceled. Yup. Same old same old.

[khall]

Skyon then why this? “Yes, there are cases where police officers shoot dogs that only barked but if the police have to come to your house maybe you should round up the loose dogs first.” That is personally directed at me and with no basis what so ever.

If you would have read more thoroughly then you would know that CT is using this case of police misconduct to further his/her attack on “pit bulls”. The death of this teenager firmly rests on the officers that were shooting at the dog. My family grew up hunting, you do not randomly shoot 7-8 rounds having ricochets that bounce and kill others. You think about where your bullets are going and are careful about operating a deadly weapon. If you are shooting, you shoot to kill in a humane manner. These officers did not even kill the dang dog! The dog had to be euthanized for God’s sake! Two officers, 7-8 rounds and yet the only one dead is the teenager who was trying to help both the officers and the dog.

BTW why on earth does it take 5 officers to respond to loud music? At a news conference, Capt. Christopher Bergner told reporters five deputies were present at the time of the shooting but only two discharged their weapons, reported the Los Angeles Times. Six to eights shots were fired, Bergner said.

[skyon]

Skyon then why this? “Yes, there are cases where police officers shoot dogs that only barked but if the police have to come to your house maybe you should round up the loose dogs first.” That is personally directed at me and with no basis what so ever.

I have no idea if you have dogs, how many dogs, if they are loose, etc.

I get the sense you are trying to make this appear personal to your being so that no opinion may be expressed that differs on the case YOU presented. And THAT is as personal as this has become.

[khall]

Skyon you are the one saying that I do not care about this teenager being shot, that is personal. You are the one saying that I am using this incident to further my bully loving agenda. Yet it was CT that posted this story to further his/her anti pit bull rantings, I am just disagreeing with CT that it is the dog’s fault the teenager was killed.

Upon reading more articles, officers have had to respond to other calls from this area for loud music and gang activity. That explains why there were 5 officers present and their willingness to use deadly force against the dog. There are numerous articles out there with even more information than was posted. I still firmly feel that the officers were in the wrong and that there were other ways of responding than by using deadly force, which is ridiculous since they did not even kill the dog!

[skyon]

Uhuh.

Khall. - I glance at this thread and don’t post on every response - however your interpretation of the case - nope. Very misleading as to what actually happened.

I do feel that the way you described this case made it sound like the police had no reason to pull a fire arm and that you made no mention of the dog actually biting the officer. If someone only read your descriptions, you would have been lead to believe the police just opened fire on the party due to loud noise and the dog was no factor at all.

When confronted with the fact the dog did in fact actually charge the officer twice and BIT him and that was when a firearm was used by the officer - you made defending the dogs actions as the focus on your posts.

I stand by my interpretation of how you presented the case - your focus was to make sure the dog was totally innocent in all aspects, the teen shooting secondary.