Man fatally mauled, dog killed, by pit bulls on dog walk

[Thylacine]

unbelievable, the lengths some go to.

my dog cannot be trusted with strangers, and loves small children - with a nice Bearnaise sauce & touch of pepper…
I lurv the little woolly mass to bits, but I do EVERYTHING i can to not let him get into situations where HE could end up paying the ultimate price.

dogs of all breeds are, guess what?
a totally different species!
the day when we humans know what other humans are contemplating will be wonderful, but we still won’t know what is truly going through our beloved, and fellow predator, canines brains.

that poor teenager & his family - the whole thing was a giant clusterfk just waiting to happen. (its not like the officers will ever be able to just ‘sign off on this’ then get on with their lives.
crap like this AFFECTS people.
no one walks away being the same that began their shift without paying in some way.

at the risk of repeating myself - GIANT clustertuck.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT the cops knew the teenager was there initially, they had interacted with him when he restrained the pit bull once why would they not think he would not come back when the dog came back? There were 5 fricking cops there, that is more than enough to restrain the dog. That means there were more than likely 5 tasers and 5 pepper sprays, they were all from the same department so should be carrying the same equipment.

Again you have not addressed the fact that there were 7-8 rounds shot at a close range and the only one that died was the young man, not the dog. Those cops should be: fired for incompetence and reckless discharge of firearm and embarrassed for their inept shooting skills. They have NO business being cops.

I am sure those cops did not see the teenager, but they should have thought about him since they had already interacted with him rather than wildly shooting rounds that did not even kill the intended target. They are cops, they are their to protect the public not kill the innocent.

sisu there is a distinct media bias and reporting on the bullies. In other words you cannot believe all you read!

The teen was not in their line of vision, they did not aim a gun at him nor was he in their line of fire, ricchochets can cover a large distance/area and are accidental.

The cops were shooting at a moving target at ground level and at close range during an aggressive attack…that does not add up to inept shooting skills.

If you had an aggressive pit bull attacking you, would you be thinking of anything else except for your own safety?

On another recent thread we discussed an aggressively/threatening mentally ill man being shot and killed by a cop. I asked why the man hadn’t just been wounded/incapacitated and was told that when a cop’s own safety/life is in danger it’s shoot to kill…why should it be any different for a pit bull?

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT I agree with you that the dog should not have been loose %100, that is on the owner. As for the dog being aggressive again there were 5 police officers there that could have stepped in. Did you see the picture of the teenager? He was not very large, yet he was able to pull this “rampaging” dog off the officers and move him to the back of the building. For some reason the dog got away again and went back, it just goes to follow that the teenager who did not want to see this dog shot went back to get him again. Why on earth did these officers not think about this kid? IMO they have fallen to the media bias on these pit bulls. Being able bodied officers I do not see how they could not have contained or controlled the dog without using deadly force. This was not just one officer, this was 5.

SSwor yes my dog and I have been attacked by a roaming dog, I have also been attacked by a stallion that I was handling for breeding (and have the scars to prove it). I have also had to step in with dog fights, a couple with bullies. I have only been bitten once in doing so and it was because the other dog (BTW not the bully) would not give up the fight, kept going after the bully dog and I had to get someone else in to get the other dog off.

Cops with such bad aim as these have no business out their carrying and discharging a weapon. They should be training to shoot and hit moving targets of any distance, do you think the bad guy is going to be just standing there saying shoot me? Oh yeah that’s right they are usually sitting in a car with their 4 yr old in the back or laying on the ground with two cops on top of them when they get shot.

First I totally agree with you, the first blame is on the owner for having a loose dog. But it was the cop’s decision to fire their weapons recklessly and with no regard to where the bullets might fly that lead to the death of this teenager. So yes ultimately the blame lies on the cops and I guess we will see how the investigation pans out as to whether they keep their jobs or not.

Where did I say that the dog shouldn’t have been loose? I agree that it shouldn’t have been…but I don’t think I said that, correct me if I’m wrong.

The pit bull obviously knew the teen, the dog was focused on the cops and not the person known to it. The teen must not have had a good enough control of the dog because it got away a second time. Possibly the teen was bitten while trying to restrain the dog or it was just too strong for the teen to hold? We’ll find out more with further investigations.

Officers have the right to use deadly force when they deem it necessary. I’m sure the investigation will find that they did not react wrongly.

I feel horrible that a young teen felt enough responsibility to step in and attempt to stop his neighbours dog from attacking police officers and ultimately paid the worst price of all those involved.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

Here is an incident where the officer did not shoot the dogs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasLrfyg9oE

but did use pepper spray.

Yep…those were killer dogs with the intent to attack, bite or worse.

[khall]

CT: “The cops were shooting at a moving target at ground level and at close range during an aggressive attack…that does not add up to inept shooting skills.” It does when the dog is not killed even though 2 different officers were shooting at the dog (7-8 rounds), yet the dog was able to run away. That was panicked shooting, not with any thought or aiming going on.

“If you had an aggressive pit bull attacking you, would you be thinking of anything else except for your own safety?”
They are cops, they should be thinking about the public safety as well as their own. It is highly unlikely with 5 of them and being able bodied that the dog would have killed any of them. Bitten yes, but “in fear for their lives?” no. Cops are paid to go into danger, I know my sister was a cop for 5 yrs. Having a domestic call was always one of the most dangerous situations they could be put in. BTW she was attacked by a cat as a cop, she did not shoot the cat.

IMO cops are way too likely to pull their guns out and start shooting these days. As for the link I provided where the cop did not shoot the dogs, yeah those dogs were very much thinking of biting that officer. He was able to control them using his night stick (at one point you see it in the frame) and the pepper spray.

thylacine I hope it does affect these cops because the young man payed for their decision with his life. It should.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT: “The cops were shooting at a moving target at ground level and at close range during an aggressive attack…that does not add up to inept shooting skills.” It does when the dog is not killed even though 2 different officers were shooting at the dog (7-8 rounds), yet the dog was able to run away. That was panicked shooting, not with any thought or aiming going on.

“If you had an aggressive pit bull attacking you, would you be thinking of anything else except for your own safety?”
They are cops, they should be thinking about the public safety as well as their own. It is highly unlikely with 5 of them and being able bodied that the dog would have killed any of them. Bitten yes, but “in fear for their lives?” no. Cops are paid to go into danger, I know my sister was a cop for 5 yrs. Having a domestic call was always one of the most dangerous situations they could be put in. BTW she was attacked by a cat as a cop, she did not shoot the cat.

IMO cops are way too likely to pull their guns out and start shooting these days. As for the link I provided where the cop did not shoot the dogs, yeah those dogs were very much thinking of biting that officer. He was able to control them using his night stick (at one point you see it in the frame) and the pepper spray.

thylacine I hope it does affect these cops because the young man payed for their decision with his life. It should.

Yes, panicked shooting because they were being attacked by a dog that is highly known for extreme aggression and attacks…pit bulls are considered both dangerous and deadly. These cops were not aimlessly aiming, they were aiming at a moving target at close range.

You have no idea where any of the cops were at the time of attack or what they were doing while the attack was happening, that will come out in the investigation. Because of the pit bulls proven personalities, aggressive actions, a very long list of horrible life threatening maulings and brutal fatalities I think it’s safe to say the majority of society would feel their life is in danger when attacked by a pit bull.

How can you compare an attacking cat to an attacking pit bull?

You’re confusing or covering up deadly intent aggression to fear aggression.Those dogs in the video were nervous, scared and anxious, if they were going to bite it would have been from fear, not the outright lethal aggression that a pit bull exhibits. Those dogs willingly jumped into the back seat of a car, one after being pepper sprayed…those poor things just wanted to get home to their owner. I have extreme doubts that an aggressive/attacking pit bull would willingly jump into a car after being pepper sprayed. If those two dogs had a truly aggressive/deadly nature like a pit bull does, they would have attacked and they wouldn’t have ended up jumping into the backseat of a car.

[khall]

CT: “Yes, panicked shooting because they were being attacked by a dog that is highly known for extreme aggression and attacks…pit bulls are considered both dangerous and deadly. These cops were not aimlessly aiming, they were aiming at a moving target at close range.”

Your bias is showing here. Good grief dangerous and deadly to 5 able bodied cops? Highly unlikely.

No we do not know the full story here and probably never will. Only one side will be told, that of the 5 police officers not of the young man.

I was a vet tech, I would much rather be attacked by a large dog than a cat any day. Much easier to restrain a dog than a cat by far.

You are saying you know 100% without seeing any evidence that this dog had deadly intent, you cannot know that. You ONLY have the side of the 5 cops, no one else.

If those dogs were fearful they would have been running away not going after the cop. They had ample opportunity to leave, yet they did not. A fearful dog bites when cornered, not while running free.

[CanadianTrotter]

@khall

CT: “Yes, panicked shooting because they were being attacked by a dog that is highly known for extreme aggression and attacks…pit bulls are considered both dangerous and deadly. These cops were not aimlessly aiming, they were aiming at a moving target at close range.”

I was a vet tech, I would much rather be attacked by a large dog than a cat any day. Much easier to restrain a dog than a cat by far.

If those dogs were fearful they would have been running away not going after the cop. They had ample opportunity to leave, yet they did not. A fearful dog bites when cornered, not while running free.

I seriously question your knowledge and experience with dogs and cats because of these two statements.

There is only so much a person can discuss/debate with a person that is willfully ignorant and extremely biased. Until you have something worth discussing/debating…I refuse to engage any further.

[khall]

CT you are the one with serious bias against “pit bulls” and ignorance about dogs. I have a fearful dog, she would no more get close as these two dogs did to a stranger, Yet if someone cornered her she would bite for sure. She is my farm alarm dog letting me know when strangers are about. Fearful dogs do not square up to a person as these two do. They will look from the side with head lowered, tail lowered barking and running away. These two are coming at this cop face to face, the black one gets close enough to bite when the cop uses pepper spray.

Cats have teeth and four feet with claws and are extremely difficult to restrain. I had to help with a euthanasia of a cat, it took a catch pole, long leather gloves to restrain the cat. It was a horrible euthanasia. I have also had to help with aggressive large dogs, one was a Rottie one a Sharpei, all it took was a muzzle and their owner handling them with them growling the entire time and the vet doing little other than the basics and far away from the head. Small dogs are almost as difficult to restrain as a cat.

Restraining an aggressive cat is difficult and dangerous and should not be attempted unless absolutely necessary. Cats are just as likely to cause injury to their owner as a stranger, so use caution and tools such as a pillowcase or leash to help you if necessary.
from:https://www.vetinfo.com/how-to-physically-handle-an-aggressive-cat.html

there are fewer cat bites but they tend to be much more serious than a dog bite:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/study-cat-bites-are-more-dangerous-than-dog-bites-021214.html

[sisu27]

You can’t compare an angry cat to an angry dog I’m sorry but that is ridiculous.

Cats are scary no doubt. I hate having to do anything to 1 of my barn cats. You can burrito him all you want but someone is getting hurt. However if one of my dogs, even the 23lb Terrier was really intent on hurting me it would be a very different ballgame. If it were the 100lb Dobe I would be dead.

Cat attacks = traumatic, maybe infection
Dog attacks = traumatic, maybe dead

As for the pepper spray incident. Let’s compare that to my old Dobe that hated skunks. Skunks enraged him. He would get sprayed over and over until the skunk was dead. Skunks do not retreat (dumb). In a different situation if I were to have sprayed him with skunk oil he would have left the country but in that moment it did not stop him from killing.

I highly doubt a PB that is “switched on” is going to stop because of some pepper spray. Much like the use of an e-collar on dogs of that sort once that switch has been flipped you only further enrage them.

[khall]

Dog bite fatalities are usually children and the elderly, not 5 able bodied police officers vs one dog. If that dog was so switched on how on earth was that teenager able to pull him off and take him to the back? That was not a killing machine, that was a dog that bit one officer in the knee which was treated and released. Not a mauling.

Pepper spray stopped these dogs from biting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxM…mxMnMxZ4GQ#t=0

These police officers chose the most drastic measures to stop one dog, 5 officers were there. Their decision cost the life of this teenager who was trying to help the officers and the dog.

I am saying as a vet tech I would much rather deal with the large aggressive dogs than an aggressive cat.

[skyon]

@khall

Dog bite fatalities are usually children and the elderly, not 5 able bodied police officers vs one dog. If that dog was so switched on how on earth was that teenager able to pull him off and take him to the back? .

The teen couldn’t contain him after pulling him off - which is why the dog charged again.

We don’t know if the dog bit the teen and anyone else in trying to get free, but in the end, the dog did escape and charge again.

That has happened in many dog/pitt attacks. The people who try to help because they know the dog, get bit and mauled since the dog is mentally gone when it is focused on its target.

[skyon]

Meanwhile another attack and brain dead - 65 yr old doing yard work on her property - they were her tenants dogs.
http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com…d7060baff.html

Owner seems truthful and it’s the same story… no signs of aggression, kids let the dog out…

http://www.krtv.com/story/35754443/owner-of-dogs-involved-in-fatal-attack-on-bozeman-woman-they-never-showed-aggression

[JanM]

That’s so incredibly sad. Here’s the fox news article about the same attack:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/06/27/woman-left-brain-dead-after-being-attacked-by-dogs-while-gardening.html

She's being maintained on life support, for potential organ donation.    Since the dogs hadn't had rabies shots in years, they have to do more testing.

[red_mares]

My boss, who has a 2.5 yro son, recently got a boxer-pit cross rescue pup. The only thing I could say was “Why???” :eek: This is a generally smart guy, although I could see his wife drinking for the pit bull Kool-Aid. Hopefully the pup stays laid back and doesn’t turn into a killer in a couple years.

[CanadianTrotter]

@sisu27

You can’t compare an angry cat to an angry dog I’m sorry but that is ridiculous.

Cats are scary no doubt. I hate having to do anything to 1 of my barn cats. You can burrito him all you want but someone is getting hurt. However if one of my dogs, even the 23lb Terrier was really intent on hurting me it would be a very different ballgame. If it were the 100lb Dobe I would be dead.

Cat attacks = traumatic, maybe infection
Dog attacks = traumatic, maybe dead

As for the pepper spray incident. Let’s compare that to my old Dobe that hated skunks. Skunks enraged him. He would get sprayed over and over until the skunk was dead. Skunks do not retreat (dumb). In a different situation if I were to have sprayed him with skunk oil he would have left the country but in that moment it did not stop him from killing.

I highly doubt a PB that is “switched on” is going to stop because of some pepper spray. Much like the use of an e-collar on dogs of that sort once that switch has been flipped you only further enrage them.

Totally agree.

[CanadianTrotter]

@skyon

The teen couldn’t contain him after pulling him off - which is why the dog charged again.

We don’t know if the dog bit the teen and anyone else in trying to get free, but in the end, the dog did escape and charge again.

That has happened in many dog/pitt attacks. The people who try to help because they know the dog, get bit and mauled since the dog is mentally gone when it is focused on its target.

Exactly, hopefully more information will become available so we can learn the truth of the entire story.

[CanadianTrotter]

And another one, this time two innocent children buckled into their car seats inside a van.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/23/two-children-in-car-seats-mauled-by-pit-bull/22584268/

[Thylacine]

@CanadianTrotter

And another one, this time two innocent children buckled into their car seats inside a van.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/23/two-children-in-car-seats-mauled-by-pit-bull/22584268/

I don’t even want to read further than ^^^^
breaks my heart and makes me feel ill

can’t wait to hear what those babies did wrong…

[skyon]

It wasn’t even their dog… escaped from someone else yard and re-attacked even after a bystander tried to drag it away.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/mother-of-children-attacked-by-dog-in-lancaster-says-they/article_838a71d6-5b33-11e7-8e00-5fdeced969ff.html