Man fatally mauled, dog killed, by pit bulls on dog walk

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I believe the man being interviewed in the video said the dogs were behind a fence and somehow got out. Or I may have read that somewhere, I can’t access the video anymore for some reason and I’m not sure which article I may have read it in if that is the case.

There is a time and a place for dogs to be off leash, that would be in a legal dog park or somewhere out in the country away from other dog walkers.[/QUOTE]

Well you know what, the penalty for the infraction was torture and death in horrific manner (disembowelment? skinning? dismemberment? A lively potpourri variety pack of horrors?) so the perpetrator was swiftly dealt justice in this case.

Puke.

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After almost all of these cases, someone claims the dog or dogs never got out before, never were aggressive, and that they never have bitten anyone either. Almost every time that you read follow up stories, all of that is a lie.

The two most prominent cases I’ve researched in news stories, one involving animal attacks/killing, another with a repeated pack attack on a young man, where the animal was ‘saved from death row’ by the rescue on Animal Planet were full of lies by the owners. The news stories in the local media documented repeated attacks in both cases.

The show interviews with the owners were full of the usual lies by negligent owners of aggressive dogs. The neighbors of both owners told very different stories of the animals’ histories, and the attacks. The California case didn’t mention that a member of the film crew was actually attacked by one of the dogs that was later put down. There were animal control reports that were very different too.

I’m sick of the ‘reasons’ for a violent attack, and the lies that try to make an attack the victim’s fault.

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[QUOTE=JanM;9040293]
After almost all of these cases, someone claims the dog or dogs never got out before, never were aggressive, and that they never have bitten anyone either. Almost every time that you read follow up stories, all of that is a lie.

The two most prominent cases I’ve researched in news stories, one involving animal attacks/killing, another with a repeated pack attack on a young man, where the animal was ‘saved from death row’ by the rescue on Animal Planet were full of lies by the owners. The news stories in the local media documented repeated attacks in both cases.

The show interviews with the owners were full of the usual lies by negligent owners of aggressive dogs. The neighbors of both owners told very different stories of the animals’ histories, and the attacks. The California case didn’t mention that a member of the film crew was actually attacked by one of the dogs that was later put down. There were animal control reports that were very different too.

I’m sick of the ‘reasons’ for a violent attack, and the lies that try to make an attack the victim’s fault.[/QUOTE]

This X1000.

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[QUOTE=JanM;9040293]
After almost all of these cases, someone claims the dog or dogs never got out before, never were aggressive, and that they never have bitten anyone either. Almost every time that you read follow up stories, all of that is a lie.

The two most prominent cases I’ve researched in news stories, one involving animal attacks/killing, another with a repeated pack attack on a young man, where the animal was ‘saved from death row’ by the rescue on Animal Planet were full of lies by the owners. The news stories in the local media documented repeated attacks in both cases.

The show interviews with the owners were full of the usual lies by negligent owners of aggressive dogs. The neighbors of both owners told very different stories of the animals’ histories, and the attacks. The California case didn’t mention that a member of the film crew was actually attacked by one of the dogs that was later put down. There were animal control reports that were very different too.

I’m sick of the ‘reasons’ for a violent attack, and the lies that try to make an attack the victim’s fault.[/QUOTE]

It is the difference with something scaring your horses thru a fence and they get on the highway and someone hits one and dies in the wreck, compared with horses that keep getting out because of substandard care and fences, there are reports of them wandering the highways repeatedly and eventually someone hits one and gets killed.

Should we ban all horses because there is that risk horses may get out and someone hit one and die?

That is where we are today, even here plenty of posters insist they can let their dogs roam because of xyz, you name it, even if we all know roaming dogs are at risk themselves and any other they may come in contact with.

It is those people that don’t manage properly for avoidable situations roaming horses or dogs that make it hard, when something happen, to explain and/or excuse why those animals were not managed better.

Some times, it truly is an accident and others, definitely negligence.

I think determining that is where we should look, not jump on bandwagons to ban this or that.

Some can make the case that people should not have pit bulls, killer dogs, because they can do much damage when things go wrong.
The same can be said about horses by those that don’t think people should have horses, those dangerous, big beasts.

Society is going to have to decide if the millions of pit bulls and horses out there that don’t cause problems should not exist because there will be the time that, if the conditions are right, someone mismanage or by mere accident, tragedies as this one happen …

… or if we want to keep trying to educate better how to manage pit bulls and horses so everyone is as safe as we can make them from those, while letting those that want to have them do so.

No easy answers there, for anyone …

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Bluey, I get what you’re saying.

However, very rarely does a dog involved in a serious or fatal mauling do it completely without warning. 99 times out of 100, there are warnings - the dog has escaped before, it has attacked smaller animals or it shown other forms of aggression.

The owners flat out lie & deny it, they bully previous victims into not making reports, or they simply don’t see the dog for what it is.

One site I was one, documents 70 attacks so far this year. That is almost 2 per day. With numbers that high, I am becoming more and more comfortable with a massive, nationwide, pit bull slaughter. This madness has to STOP.

If you can find me 70 documented horse attacks this year, then we can discuss the dangers of horses versus pit bulls. I mean actually attacks and not someone being kicked because they were stupid.

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[QUOTE=red mares;9040343]
Bluey, I get what you’re saying.

However, very rarely does a dog involved in a serious or fatal mauling do it completely without warning. 99 times out of 100, there are warnings - the dog has escaped before, it has attacked smaller animals or it shown other forms of aggression.

The owners flat out lie & deny it, they bully previous victims into not making reports, or they simply don’t see the dog for what it is.

One site I was one, documents 70 attacks so far this year. That is almost 2 per day. With numbers that high, I am becoming more and more comfortable with a massive, nationwide, pit bull slaughter. This madness has to STOP.

If you can find me 70 documented horse attacks this year, then we can discuss the dangers of horses versus pit bulls. I mean actually attacks and not someone being kicked because they were stupid.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know the statistics, but a family was killed here when they hit a horse on the highway not so long ago.
Don’t know why the horse was running loose, maybe accidental, maybe poorly kept fences and a recurring situation?

How many times does that happen?
I would not know.

I hear you, that is why I say, there is no easy response and when terrible things like this man’s attack happen, well, it is hard not to get mad and want all banned, is it.

How many more pit attacks have to happen before a ban is appropriate?

Seriously, what is the number? When the average is 2/day, 5/day, or 10/day?

At what point is the carnage high enough that it can no longer be ignored? What is the average number of daily dog attacks that you find acceptable? So far you appear to be good with 1.8.

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Sisu27 posting 61

Your first sentence about blaming the owner of the attacking dog is the only logical action
Reimbursement of vet bills had they occurred is.
The second paragraph though really got to me. Usually I ignore such drivel but thst statement really angered me because of its ignorance. HOW DARE YOU?
Whether or not me or my dog have been threatened by aggressive dogs has nothing to do with anything. To set the record straight, not that I need to, YES we have. So what.
AND
leashed dogs are more apt to fight because they are being restrained. I have lots of experience with that as it turns out.
Off leash dogs are not necessarily a threat to anything. That’s a fact too.

[QUOTE=Sswor;9040248]
Well you know what, the penalty for the infraction was torture and death in horrific manner (disembowelment? skinning? dismemberment? A lively potpourri variety pack of horrors?) so the perpetrator was swiftly dealt justice in this case.

Puke.[/QUOTE]

What is your problem?

I was merely responding to someone saying the pit bulls were running free. According to what I had heard they were behind an enclosed property fence and somehow got out. I was not making excuses for the death of the little dog, I was simply trying to keep the facts straight in this ongoing debate.

There is no excuses for the pit bulls being given the opportunity to escape from their property nor is there any excuse for the little dog to be off leash. Both owners were in the wrong.

I am 100% for keeping “ALL” dogs properly contained and under control at all times. As far as I’m concerned there is absolutely no rhyme, reason or excuse for any dog to be allowed the opportunity to worry, bite, attack, maul or kill any human or any other animal. There are of course country folks that use their dogs as vermin control and the sporting dog clubs which is a separate issue.

Taught to jump maybe

Perhaps the horse in question was a natural jumper, or maybe just curious about far away fields.
A regrettable situation. A true accident with horrible results.

You appear to be a few rubles short of a full piggy bank. I can’t fully comprehend your post or any of your posts to be honest.

You can get as outraged as you like, I’m not bothered.

When someone defends in any way, the guilty parties in this story I can’t help but think that you are the sort that would let your dog(s) run amok. You openly admitted you think unleashed dogs are just fine. You described one incident where you encountered an aggressive, loose dog but you and your dog were just fine. So then by your faulty logic all loose dogs aren’t a threat. Everyone just needs to learn your avoidance skills right?

CRAZY.

But how dare I point any of that out. How does it escape you that if all dogs were leashed and contained appropriately this would never have happened? Any excuses made are weak. Sometimes best efforts are not rewarded and accidents happen but with the frequency of these horrific stories and the facts that become apparent once investigated it is almost always someone being negligent.

I see you live in Ontario please tell me it isn’t in King anywhere.

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[QUOTE=Gestalt;9039310]
I know how you feel! I’m reading some of these posts and I just am not comprehending if what they wrote is how I’m interpreting them.

If I’m walking down the street and I see 10 poms off leash running around I would laugh, if they growled or snapped at me I’d still laugh. They’re poms for gawds sakes, get nasty with me and I’ll punt them into the next county. If I encounter 4 labs bouncing around me with their tongues hanging out and slobbering on my boots I would laugh. One pit bull with an aggressive stance? I’m looking for a weapon.

The mentality of the dog is the crucial issue. Some breeds of dogs just seem to have that attack mode in their brains.[/QUOTE]

I could care a less if it’s 1 or 10 Pomeranians or any other small dog for that matter. I have a right as a member of society to be able to walk in a public space unbothered and unmolested by off leash dogs. My son had the right as a paper boy, to deliver the paper to the irresponsible dog owner on his route, unbothered and unmolested. That dog did get punted by me before the owner decided to keep her dog under control and properly contained.

When my dog was alive he and I both had a right to walk about in society, properly leashed and muzzled, and not be bothered by unleashed dogs either charging us barking aggressively or running towards us wanting to play.

Why people seem to think this lack of control over their dogs/their dogs unwanted behaviour is acceptable…is beyond my understanding or acceptance.

[QUOTE=rubles;9040388]
Your first sentence about blaming the owner of the attacking dog is the only logical action
Reimbursement of vet bills had they occurred is.
The second paragraph though really got to me. Usually I ignore such drivel but thst statement really angered me because of its ignorance. HOW DARE YOU?
Whether or not me or my dog have been threatened by aggressive dogs has nothing to do with anything. To set the record straight, not that I need to, YES we have. So what.
AND
leashed dogs are more apt to fight because they are being restrained. I have lots of experience with that as it turns out.
Off leash dogs are not necessarily a threat to anything. That’s a fact too.[/QUOTE]

Properly leashed dogs are less apt to fight because they are restrained and unable to make physical contact.

Off leash dogs are always a potential threat.

[QUOTE=sisu27;9040423]
You appear to be a few rubles short of a full piggy bank. I can’t fully comprehend your post or any of your posts to be honest.

You can get as outraged as you like, I’m not bothered.

When someone defends in any way, the guilty parties in this story I can’t help but think that you are the sort that would let your dog(s) run amok. You openly admitted you think unleashed dogs are just fine. You described one incident where you encountered an aggressive, loose dog but you and your dog were just fine. So then by your faulty logic all loose dogs aren’t a threat. Everyone just needs to learn your avoidance skills right?

CRAZY.

But how dare I point any of that out. How does it escape you that if all dogs were leashed and contained appropriately this would never have happened? Any excuses made are weak. Sometimes best efforts are not rewarded and accidents happen but with the frequency of these horrific stories and the facts that become apparent once investigated it is almost always someone being negligent.

I see you live in Ontario please tell me it isn’t in King anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Couldn’t agree more!

Most likely Ottawa(I could be wrong)area where they are a bit more lackadaisical about leash laws for some reason.

If it was in my area I would be taking a picture of her and her dog and reporting them to animal control.

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How many more pit attacks have to happen before a ban is appropriate?

Seriously, what is the number? When the average is 2/day, 5/day, or 10/day?

At what point is the carnage high enough that it can no longer be ignored? What is the average number of daily dog attacks that you find acceptable? So far you appear to be good with 1.8.[/QUOTE]

Gun related deaths…dog related deaths…tomato…tamato…

It’s okay if people die as long as my so called rights aren’t taken away from me…

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I don’t recall anything in the US Constitution about the right to own a dog, aggressive or otherwise.

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[QUOTE=red mares;9040466]
I don’t recall anything in the US Constitution about the right to own a dog, aggressive or otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Or a horse or any other animal.

Or the right to breathe.

Ever wonder why?:wink:

Sisu27
so that’s what you think. Funny, you must be reading my mind about my opinion of you.
in other words it takes one to know one.
no longer angry–just amused. Thanks for the early morning laugh. Ha ha

Reporting me?

You really are funny. You know. You have no idea how or where I walk my dogs. So try and take your photos–you’ll waste a lot of time just as the time wasting done here.
i can’t use the reply to button, so to whomever lives in King I’m so glad that I live some distance.
If yours is the prevailing attitude towards dogs, I wouldn’t touch the place with a barge pole.

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[QUOTE=rubles;9040503]
You really are funny. You know. You have no idea how or where I walk my dogs. So try and take your photos–you’ll waste a lot of time just as the time wasting done here.
i can’t use the reply to button, so to whomever lives in King I’m so glad that I live some distance.
If yours is the prevailing attitude towards dogs, I wouldn’t touch the place with a barge pole.[/QUOTE]

I did say “If you were in my area” and “If your dogs were off leash”.

I have no idea where you live and it matters naught to me. If you do live in a populated area where people frequently walk or walk their dogs and you have yours off leash…you are an irresponsible dog owner, you are breaking the law, you are creating a potential dog fight/attack/bite and you are making people that are walking alone/walking their dogs uncomfortable.

If you walk your dogs away from society where you won’t meet up with other dogs, have at it and enjoy the freedom it provides. If you meet up with other irresponsible owners that don’t leash their dogs and a fight breaks out, to the victor goes the spoils.

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