I’m responding to your question now regarding what I would do were I limited to s wheelchair.
So the first thing I’d do would be to educate myself about dog body language. Those two dogs that frightened you could have a friend in a wheelchair that had been well treated and their attention appreciated. You had no idea what they were up to all you saw was two off-leash dogs heading in your direction and that’s against the law.
The off leash dog probably wanted to sniff the dog on your lap. I have to guess because I wasn’t present and you have no idea. Also I appreciate the fact you were frightened. That’s not nice for anyone.
The last thing I would do is turn my back on a dog I thought meant me harm.
Mobs of loose dogs enjoying the company fun and socialization good for their psyche and that of their owners. Too bad you can’t understand that.
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WMW
I will repeat for clarity.
I have experienced dogs while being walked on their leashes, sniff noses and watch the ruff raise over their shoulders, have them pulled away by the leash and then get aggressive. I did not say all dogs nor specifically any dog, just some dogs at some times. This is my personal experience. When attending breed specific social for dogs, their owners and dog friends held at private fenced residences at the invitation of the property owner every dog without exception was off leash. As a matter of fact to insist on leash ing your dog you would be asked leave–post haste. Those people know dogs better than most casual owners. There would easily be 50 dogs present, dogs, bitches, puppies breeding males, all enjoying the day with one another. NO PROBLEMS
A lot of posters on this board do not understand dogs and from their tone never will just find excuses to pick, pick, pick, what others post. It’s a pity the dogs are so misunderstood by closed, small minds unwilling to learn. I don’t mean all just some.
Unleashed dogs do not bother me with one exceptional incident that I knew how to avoid. Thst dog had alread bitten two people. Had they known dogs it wouldn’t have happened in my opinion.
Believe whatever you want however misguided is your choice. Poor dog, poor old man. Those dogs should have been muzzled and confined. Some people choose the macho breeds for whatever reason and always the dog pays the price.
This is as plain as I can put it.[/QUOTE]
You are repeating over and over again that unleashed dogs don’t bother you, and you seem to be concluding that because that is true of your experience, anyone who IS bothered by unleashed dogs is uneducated with regards to dog behavior, and is therefore wrong to be bothered by it and should become more educated regarding dog behavior in an effort to get over being bothered by unleashed dogs. Um, no.
It makes sense that leashed dogs might cause trouble at the private party you describe above. And since it was a PRIVATE PARTY, one would presume that all attendees had dogs that would handle that type of environment with no problems. Hence, the party went swimmingly well. What this example has to do with people walking their dogs in public, where they have no control over any of the other people who will be out in that same public area at the same time, I have no idea.
I have not been at all shy about my feelings regarding people who take their dogs out in public off leash. If I were a gun carrier, I would shoot to kill every loose dog that approached my leashed dog when I walk her in public (I don’t like guns at all and will never own one, so no dogs will ever be murdered by me, to be clear).
I don’t care, rubles, that you aren’t bothered by loose dogs. I AM bothered by them, because MY LEASHED DOG is bothered by them, and she deserves to have a pleasant experience when I put on her leash and take her out for a walk.
My leashed dog has been rushed and attacked by unleashed dogs enough times that I’ve started carrying a stun baton (they’re legal in my area). If your dog approaches mine while I have my dog out and leashed, and you don’t heed my warning to call your damn dog, it’s going to be a lesson you and your dog won’t soon forget.
I’m done playing nicely with irresponsible dog owners that have no regard for others while out in public.
I do understand reasonably well dog body language. However, IMO, that doesn’t really make any difference when I am out on a “walk” (figuratively as I don’t but my dogs) and some strange dog with which I am not acquainted decides they want to meet my dog. Whether I think the large dog headed in my direction has friendly intentions or not, I’m still stuck. I had both my dogs in my lap and my one BT took a bit of personal offense at some strange dog getting in his face (it could also be he did feel a bit of my fear as well.)
Perhaps you are right and the dog has had W/C experience but based on the teenager that had no voice control over him, I’m not thinking that is likely.
I’m happy you have your happy dog parties where everyone is at peace with the world. The rest of us don’t always have that luxury and I’m not in the business of training other people’s dogs… only my own.
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My leashed dog has been rushed and attacked by unleashed dogs enough times that I’ve started carrying a stun baton (they’re legal in my area). If your dog approaches mine while I have my dog out and leashed, and you don’t heed my warning to call your damn dog, it’s going to be a lesson you and your dog won’t soon forget.
I’m done playing nicely with irresponsible dog owners that have no regard for others while out in public.[/QUOTE]
round of applause
I support that sentiment.
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You are repeating over and over again that unleashed dogs don’t bother you, and you seem to be concluding that because that is true of your experience, anyone who IS bothered by unleashed dogs is uneducated with regards to dog behavior, and is therefore wrong to be bothered by it and should become more educated regarding dog behavior in an effort to get over being bothered by unleashed dogs. Um, no.
It makes sense that leashed dogs might cause trouble at the private party you describe above. And since it was a PRIVATE PARTY, one would presume that all attendees had dogs that would handle that type of environment with no problems. Hence, the party went swimmingly well. What this example has to do with people walking their dogs in public, where they have no control over any of the other people who will be out in that same public area at the same time, I have no idea.
I have not been at all shy about my feelings regarding people who take their dogs out in public off leash. If I were a gun carrier, I would shoot to kill every loose dog that approached my leashed dog when I walk her in public (I don’t like guns at all and will never own one, so no dogs will ever be murdered by me, to be clear).
I don’t care, rubles, that you aren’t bothered by loose dogs. I AM bothered by them, because MY LEASHED DOG is bothered by them, and she deserves to have a pleasant experience when I put on her leash and take her out for a walk.[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t have said it any better!
And, as always, the dog pays.
Yes, dog lovers all although somewhat radical and aggressive themselves.
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My leashed dog has been rushed and attacked by unleashed dogs enough times that I’ve started carrying a stun baton (they’re legal in my area). If your dog approaches mine while I have my dog out and leashed, and you don’t heed my warning to call your damn dog, it’s going to be a lesson you and your dog won’t soon forget.
I’m done playing nicely with irresponsible dog owners that have no regard for others while out in public.[/QUOTE]
Those of us that are responsible owners need to take a stand against unleashed dogs like you’ve just described.
When my last dog was still with me I threatened people’s unleashed dogs that started to approach mine that I would take my dog’s muzzle off and let go of his leash.
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And, as always, the dog pays.
Yes, dog lovers all although somewhat radical and aggressive themselves.[/QUOTE]
I love my dog. His safety is my responsibility. I won’t risk him being hurt just to humor the irresponsible “dog lovers” among us.
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And, as always, the dog pays.
Yes, dog lovers all although somewhat radical and aggressive themselves.[/QUOTE]
If all dogs that are being walked in public are leashed…nobody has to pay.
I’m not sure where you get your superior beliefs that you and your dog are above the law.
Since the stricter leash laws came into effect in Ontario I have only seen one unleashed dog in a public area and one that got out of its house without the owners knowing… I reported both of them and haven’t seen either dog since then.
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And, as always, the dog pays.
Yes, dog lovers all although somewhat radical and aggressive themselves.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a friend who can translate and re-post this thought into something that English speaking people can understand so that we can respond?
Wanting to kill every loose dog regardless of whether it’s friendly or not? Yikes. I keep my dogs leashed when we go out unless we’re at a fenced off-leash dog park, but honestly, sometimes people lose their dogs because someone left a gate open or it ran out a door. If the dog isn’t aggressive, I don’t see why it should be outright killed.
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beowulf: but that is just the problem - so many people aren’t “dog people” – or truly dog educated. which is why at large you have so many dog-related attacks, causalities, “accidents”.
Please. All those worthless average folk who don’t “understand” dogs and aren’t “dog people” oversaw the pre-2001 era, when dogs were not savagely attacking each other and us for no reason, and killing us on average of two humans a month and who knows the canine deaths. Those hapless morons were responsible for the entire human history of dogs as emblematic of faithfulness, loyalty, fidelity and safety. I remember that world and I want it back.
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beowulf: but that is just the problem - so many people aren’t “dog people” – or truly dog educated. which is why at large you have so many dog-related attacks, causalities, “accidents”.
Please. All those worthless average folk who don’t “understand” dogs and aren’t “dog people” oversaw the pre-2001 era, when dogs were not savagely attacking each other and us for no reason, and killing us on average of two humans a month and who knows the canine deaths. Those hapless morons were responsible for the entire human history of dogs as emblematic of faithfulness, loyalty, fidelity and safety. I remember that world and I want it back.[/QUOTE]
Dream on. Back then Rottweilers and Akitas were the breeds that were identified as killers of children. Dobermans and chows were just considered likely to savage people.
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Wanting to kill every loose dog regardless of whether it’s friendly or not? Yikes. I keep my dogs leashed when we go out unless we’re at a fenced off-leash dog park, but honestly, sometimes people lose their dogs because someone left a gate open or it ran out a door. If the dog isn’t aggressive, I don’t see why it should be outright killed.[/QUOTE]
I have explained why loose dogs, who are deemed “friendly” dogs, in neighborhoods are a problem, despite their owners’ ignorance, but I guess I have to do it again. Here it is:
My dog (who is always on a leash when she is not in our fenced in yard) gets very scared when another dog rushes her. She doesn’t care whether some random person deems that dog “aggressive” or “non-aggressive”. If a loose dog runs towards my dog when she is on a leash, she will panic. I have no way of knowing how many times any given loose dog has been loose, and it’s not my responsibility to keep track of that. Every time my dog panics when I take her out on a leashed walk, that is reinforcing for her that going for a walk is an unpleasant experience. That is not fair for her. Anyone who isn’t able to respect that should not have a dog.
I refuse to accept that I can’t take my dog for a walk because some asshole who lives in my neighborhood feels that leash laws don’t apply because he deems his dog “friendly”. The other thing these narcissistic dog owners don’t understand is that there are people in the world who are hugely afraid of dogs and they don’t care how friendly you say your dog is they just don’t want your dog near them. You need to respect these people. Keep your dogs contained unless you are on private property.
I should also point out that the more people preach about the dangers of dogs, the more the general public non-dog owning fears them. In a few more generations, their only contact with animals will be rats in the city and cockroaches in their apartments.
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I should also point out that the more people preach about the dangers of dogs, the more the general public non-dog owning fears them. In a few more generations, their only contact with animals will be rats in the city and cockroaches in their apartments.[/QUOTE]
Calm down there, Kellyanne Conway.
Boy I live just outside Ottawa and I work in Ottawa, so travel there daily. CT maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to speculate on other area and their apparent laziness when it comes to leash laws. Not the first time I see you make vast sweeping generalization on things Canadian.
CT
Off-leash dogs don’t frighten me, hence my dogs aren’t frightened either.
For the most part dogs are much smarter than we realize. I don’t consider myself superior to anyone–not so sure about you though.
I hope that loose dog you reported to the authorities, I think you posted it ran home, and haven’t seen since didn’t loose it’s life/home because of you. From your post you are very proud of yoursel and I find it hard to believe you even own a dog. Sanctimonious, superior attitude indeed.
