Viney ridge
I wondered about how the dog negotiated the door too. It’s not really clear.
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Somehow, I find this statement horribly offensive. Dogs must be kept in cages just like tigers. They are unworthy of even the slightest moment of freedom. It’s thinking like this that makes me despise the human race, which thinks that the whole natural world should revolve around them and kowtow to them because humans have so much more value than the state of nature.
Dogs, cats, people, everything everywhere, were born to freedom of movement; human beings don’t have the implicit moral right to take that way, even if each individual human has to beware of his/her own safety.[/QUOTE]
I agree, except for in areas with leash laws. No leash laws, no problem.
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If your loose dog is attacking people, their pets, or livestock, then yes it is unworthy of even the slightest moment of freedom. It is completely ridiculous that you feel people should lose their lives because you don’t want a dog to be contained in any way at all.
Asking someone to contain their animal in accordance with the law has nothing to do with keeping it in a small cage its entire life.
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The dog in the article was loose in the hallway, someone was trying to get away from the dog, opened the apartment door, and the marauding dog pushed the door open and attacked the little dog. It’s not the most logically written article, and needed some editing.
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I do have one question: how did a dog “burst through” the closed door of someone else’s apartment?. I have no experience at all with dogs who can open latched doors or break them down.[/QUOTE]
It can happen. Several years ago when I was in Chesapeake, VA. someone’s small dog were killed in their living room by the neighbor’s pitbull.
The small dogs were inside their home at the door, scratching or pushing on it while the pit was on it’s hind legs pawing at the door. The pit was able to hit the door handle & disengage the mechanism as the little dogs pushed against it. With the door cracked, the pit entered the house and killed one dog. IIRC, the owner (woman I think) ended up standing on a table holding her other dog above her head, screaming for help.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/60…saves-woman-in
Here’s another case of a woman who was trying to break up a fight in her home, between a pit bull rescue foster dog, and her 10 year old lab. It happened in Petaluma.
The woman was rescued by a neighbor who heard the fight, and her screams. The sentence that floors me is “After the 10-day quarantine period ends, his fate lies with The Tiny Pitbull, Scott said”. There is no question in my mind that this animal needs to be destroyed.
I was searching for another case, from years ago, and the sheer number of other attacks by pits and other breeds on human is staggering.
A follow up on the Petaluma case. The foster dog was put down.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6036301-181/pit-bull-involved-in-petaluma
The owner/foster who was attacked sounds like someone who was a little too complacent about all of the dogs getting along. The woman is lucky her neighbor helped her, it sounds like a horrific scene in the house, and apparently other people heard her screams, and were too afraid to help at first.
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Made me think of this case a couple years ago because everyone was so remorseful when they saw what their dogs did (they lived with them for protection) [URL=“https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131018/calumet-heights/woman-attacked-by-four-dogs-on-south-side-officials”]there were no updates on the elderly woman (she was walking her Chihuahua and neighbors dogs burst through gate) -
A victim of pitbulls advocate group did the follow-up in 2015 (apparently no one else…)
She lived, her legs were shredded, the owner was not charged. http://pitbullattacksinillinois.blogspot.com/2015/07/jul-22-2015-chicago-dog-attack-victim.html
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Adding - the owner was ticketed for failure to constrain dogs, lack of proof for rabies, = citations for dogs… this attack was off property as well. I think the case was snuffed because animal control had visited the residence before but never made reports on the dogs. When you look at the damage to the elderly woman’s legs…
I don’t think it’s justifiable to have such dangerous dogs as “fruit guardians.” Who exactly might want to take fruit from a fruit tree? Homeless people? Children maybe?
Oh. It’s pretty deranged to want children (or anyone else) to suffer from a dog mauling just for trespassing. Dangerous dogs do not always get the differences between “dangerous intruder” and “old man walking his Pomeranian,” or “child trespassing in the yard.”
That list of pit bull problems doesn’t really get into some of the more gruesome attacks. This is what happens when some of the more dangerous ones go after a child: http://www.cbs46.com/story/34274830/police-several-children-bitten-by-dogs-in-neighborhood
The article doesn’t go into how truly horrific the attack was. The surviving child was scalped and had her face disfigured. The other was eviscerated. That, right there, is why is unjustifiable to keep violent dogs as guards, especially fighting breeds.
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Somehow, I find this statement horribly offensive. Dogs must be kept in cages just like tigers. They are unworthy of even the slightest moment of freedom. It’s thinking like this that makes me despise the human race, which thinks that the whole natural world should revolve around them and kowtow to them because humans have so much more value than the state of nature.
Dogs, cats, people, everything everywhere, were born to freedom of movement; human beings don’t have the implicit moral right to take that way, even if each individual human has to beware of his/her own safety.
Let me know how this works for you when your dog who is freely running around enjoying life to the fullest is legally shot by a stock owner because the dog was harassing their cattle (and where this is likely to happen, most likely no leash laws.)
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[QUOTE=vineyridge;9044040]
Somehow, I find this statement horribly offensive. Dogs must be kept in cages just like tigers. They are unworthy of even the slightest moment of freedom. It’s thinking like this that makes me despise the human race, which thinks that the whole natural world should revolve around them and kowtow to them because humans have so much more value than the state of nature.
Dogs, cats, people, everything everywhere, were born to freedom of movement; human beings don’t have the implicit moral right to take that way, even if each individual human has to beware of his/her own safety.[/QUOTE]
This post is so over the top melodramatic, I’m not even sure how to even begin to respond. I suspect a large number of dogs live like mine does - she runs loose around my fenced property, and when she is off my property, she is on a leash. I have not set up her life this way because I think I have so much more value than the state of nature (HUH???), but because it is the safest way of life for her. Her freedom of movement is not taken away (lol) in any way, shape, or form, and I am able to provide this life for her without caging her “just like tigers”.
By the way, most cats that are allowed to roam outside on a regular basis end up being killed by wildlife or hit by cars. And are you really saying that humans are morally obligated to allow all animals everywhere to roam around willy-nilly exercising their god-given rights to freedom of movement at the expense of our own safety? That’s pretty insane.
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While I lived on the farm the only loose dogs that bothered me were the hounds and their armed hunter owners trespassing on my property in search of whatever they were hunting for.
The excuses they made were many and varied even refusing to believe I was the owner as they tracked their radio-collared hounds with a receiver in hand and their long barrelled weapon at hand ready to shoot game as it fled across the road.
The dog next door used to come and visit and was made welcome. Twice unfamiliar loose dogs responded to my call and because of their ID I was able to contact their very concerned owners to come and get them.
The hunter’s under control dogs encouraged to hunt on my posted land were a different matter.
I hope you are never surrounded by armed men arguing their right to hunt your property. Luckily I left my dog inside or they would have shot her. Actually a fully camouflaged, trespassing hunter did lower his shot gun on my 20 pound leashed Tibetan Terrier when he stepped onto the path in front of me on my property.
Dog ownership brings many experiences.
Has anyone heard how the old man subject of this post is doing.
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loose=not firmly attached or tightly fixed; set free, release.
lose=be deprived of or cease to have or retain something.
the loose dog does not “loose” its life if someone reports it. It would “lose” its life.[/QUOTE]
Pedantic.
We knew what the poster meant without being told. No need to point a mistake out. The issue is loose dogs. Or dogs who lose their lives.
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so just because we know what someone means we should accept (or should I write “except” because you know what I mean) people’s poor spelling? If you don’t want me to be “pedantic” then write it properly. I see this on multiple threads and we should know better.
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I’m sure there are plenty of pit bull hating groups many of you could go join. Disappointed this board has turned into such a group.
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I’m sure there are plenty of pit bull hating groups many of you could go join. Disappointed this board has turned into such a group.[/QUOTE]
Not really, people have always been kind of black and white about all kinds of topics, their opinions white, everyone else’s no good, while professing to be for all, which of course they are not, only their side, because, you know, is the white side and if you have questions or worse, disagree, you are supporting those horribly black sided.
Freedom is only when it is your side that seeks it, forgetting that everyone’s freedom ends at the feet of others, starting with the freedom of others to their opinions.
I have to say that pits are some of my favorite patients - they’re funny and happy, almost all the time. But I will add that if I’m walking my dog and a loose pit came toward us, I’d be damned nervous. My dog was bitten by a dachshund off leash as well as a German Shepherd off leash. I don’t think ANY dog should be running around loose. Not just for the non-owners, but for the sake of the dog who gets hit by a car, shot by angry landowner, etc.
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Yeah, but if you go to the shows, and I’ve gone for decades, you won’t see any GSDs or even Collies herding cattle or ducks. .[/QUOTE]
I don’t know any GSD’s that work in herding, but I do know many, many Collies with herding titles as well as their breed championship. I also know many in corgis who are active in herding and breed ring. Aussies too. The versatility is highly prized by their owners. Snow is preventing us from readily working on our tracking, but I expect to put a TD on the baby this year.
Well Dr. Beckett,
Sometimes I misspell words most of the time I don’t. Sometimes while posting I experience ocular migraines that interfere with my eyesight and I don’t see it and I can’t edit posts either. But be my guest, sling away.
Does anyone have an update on the subject of this post? The injured old man to stay on topic.
Marsh field,
Whst kind of dogs do you use for tracking? It’s an activity I find interesting.
